What is causing my errors and freezing?

shiro

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Just as the title says, I'm trying to figure out what is causing my errors and freezing.

Starting about half a month or so back my computer started getting periodic bsod's, with a message "Page fault in non-paged area". I've looked it up on google but hey, I'm not a super technical guy, so what I came up with is that maybe there's something wrong with my memory, page file, or something with windows or how I have my partitions set up that is causing these problems. At first it was just every now and then, but now it's happening a lot more frequently.

And starting just this past week (actually just within the last two days), my computer has been freezing a lot. Last night it froze about 3 times within a 15 minute period.


Here is what I think might be causing the problems:

Hard drive. I have a 5gb C partition for windows (which is SO not enough as I've found out...), a 10gb D partition to take the place of the Program files directory, and a 65gb E partition for everything else. I moved the page file location to D, which still has 5 or 6gb left, and my C drive is constantly with low space even with just windows and bare minimum components installed. I've noticed my hard drive has made some weird noise every now and then, kind of like a really loud whirring, like it's accessing the disk furiously for about 5 seconds, then stops. No idea what that is...

Memory. I have two sticks of 512mb PNY ddr400 memory. CPU-z says one stick has Infineon memory chips and has the date manufactured, serial number, etc and everything else. The other stick only has a manufacturer, and that's just 127F00000000000 buncha 0's. Same timings and everything though. I had them dual channeled on my motherboard, but I've put them in single channel now in case the memory was causing the problems, but no I'm still getting bsod and freezing. Weird thing I noticed is that at dual channel, the nvidia monitor from my motherboard was saying 400 (I'm assuming for ddr400), but now that they're single channel, it says 333...hmm...

Power Supply. I google'd up information on my page fault errors, and some people noted that bad power supplies could be causing it. True?


computer stuff:

- ecs kn1 sli lite extreme
- amd a64 x2 4200+
- 2x PNY 512mb ddr400
- Zalman passive northbridge cooler (When I removed the stock motherboard heatsink/fan I didn't have any cleaner so I scraped off the thermal tape as best I could with a razor and then applied some thermal paste for the heatsink.....bad move?
- Powercolor radeon x800 gto
- 80gb WD hdd ~4 years old main, refurbished 120gb WD hdd ~2 years old
- Raidmax 630w modular psu...the one with the silly flame cutout design but nice blue lights lol

built in early august, ran fine for a little bit, then this crap started happening.


long story short: i got problems and i want to make them go away and need help figuring it out.

right now I've got a seagate 7200.10 320gb on the way to see if it will help. Also I've been wanting to consolidate all my old drives into a single drive (I have another 80gb and 30gb that were connected to a pci raid controller, but currently are disconnected because they were really whiny...mostly the Quantum fireball 30gb which is 6 years old.


 

amdskip

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1) Your hard drive is 4 years old (anything after 3 is getting old if you ask me).
2) You partition size is way too small
3) I wouldn't touch a Raidmax power supply with a 10 foot pole. Pieces of crap!
4) How old is your Windows install? Did you reinstall Windows when you upgraded/built this system?
5) I don't think it has anything to do with your memory but just in case you can run http://www.memtest86.com to test each stick individually.

My solution: Backup and install a new hard drive
 

shiro

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Windows install is about as old as when I built the system, so about 3 months old

I was reading up on the different kinds of partition and the guy who wrote the article used 5gb for winxp install, so I thought it would be ok lol. Boy was I wrong...

The Raidmax psu, yes despite all the bad word I'd read about raidmax psu's, this thing's been workin just fine for the entire time I've had it...albeit 3 months would still be considered new I suppose...not sure if any problems might crop up maybe 10 months down the road...

I have memtest but I haven't tried it yet. You'll probably get a kick outta this but I have no idea how to run it really lol. I skimmed through the instructions and saw something about a floppy and I said you know what...I'll get this done some other time. It was 4am in the morning and I was tired lol

I will get the hard drive in once I'm done with a project I'm working on, but it would be such a relief to finally have a complete working computer if it solves my problems. What is a good size for winxp alone? 10gb? Maybe I should fit the program files onto the C drive too since having it on D is causing more trouble than I thought (default install directories, etc). So maybe 20gb total for OS + Programs? It is nice having winxp start up right quick though lol.

 

amdskip

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I would allow for at least 20gb of space as sometimes you run across programs that will only install on C. I would not wait to replace the power supply. I would do it now. Just because "it's working" does not mean that it's working correctly.

Memtest requires you boot to a cd or a floppy. I've found it easiest to burn a cd (ISO bootable) and then it will just run automatically if you have it set to boot from cdrom.
 

John

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amdskip is right on the money :thumbsup: However memtest86 is the original and outdated a bit. I'd recommend Memtest86+ and you can find the link and other burn-in info here.

I'd recommend a min. 10GB for c:\ partition for the OS & swap. I personally use 20GB c:\ and make everything else the d:\ since HDD space isn't really a concern like it was in the past. Since you have a 320GB 7200.10 (excellent choice BTW) on the way you may want to consider doing the same.
 

shiro

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hm alrite I'll give C the 20gb treatment and just forget about separating program files from the windows drive.

I'll see about running memtest over the weekend before putting in the new hdd so I'll only need to open up once and I can put the mem back into dual channel config if there aren't any probs.

One last thing about the psu...can you suggest a decent psu that's under $50 if there is one? Looking for a nice modular psu. Blue lights are not required but would be a nice addition since my system has a nice light balance right now with the lights comin from the raidmax lol

Maybe it's a good time to pick one up to replace the one i have with BF comin up and all...
 

shiro

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should a 430 watt psu be enough to power everything I listed up there?

I was browsing through Fry's and saw an Antec Neo HE 430w for a nice price of $50. This might be a good one to replace raidmax with lol. But no more blue lights :(
I have gilette colors in my pc lol blue+orange..looks quite nice actually


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hmmm...however upon further research I've found that a ton of people have been having problems with this psu. Not necessarily with my configuration, actually I haven't found any one system configuration to be similar to mine so I have no idea if the psu will crap out with my motherboard or not.

Judging from the pc builds though, it seems that 430 watt will be just fine for me
 

shiro

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Just wanted to give a quick update to the situation

I ran memtest86+ on my ram while they were in single channel. Ran about two passes and there were no errors, so I stopped that

Installed my new hard drive, reinstalled windows and everything, put my ram back into dual channel configuration

.....aaand i got my first freeze upon entering the lobby in the PC Game Phantasy Star Universe...

don't know what it's related to...perhaps the video card is somehow overheating? I had a similar freezing problem with a radeon 9800 pro that I had, except that one would go one step further and sometimes display red or green lines all across my screen. However, I'd been able to run just fine for hours on end previously, so I don't think it's overheating or anything... I'd been contemplating getting a gigabyte 7600gt with the passive heatsink before but I figure why spend money now when I will probably want to get a gfx card that will support dx10 and vista down the line....so I held off on some deals

Could the northbridge affect anything? I mentioned before that when removing the motherboard's stock heatsink/fan to replace it with a Zalman passive cooler, I didn't have any cleaner so all I did was scrape off the stock thermal tape as best I could with a razor, then applied some thermal paste and the cooler.

And lastly...I haven't gotten a new power supply yet. I'm still running the Raidmax modular 630w