What IS Bushes Iraq strategy?

[techs]

So after years of saying "Stay the Course" now Bush says he didn't say that?
After years of slamming timetables he now supports "benchmarks".
Yet Rummys says the "benchmarks" hold no consequences.
So basically they are suggestions as to how much "progress" the Iraqis should make.
Which seems to indicate we never had any suggestions as to how much progress the Iraqis should make.
Now Rummy says he will ok more troops to Iraq. Yet Bush had been saying up til 2 months ago troops could start coming home after Jan. 1.
So are we sending in more troops or taking them out?
Are we giving the Iraqis a blank check on how long they can get US troops to prop up their government?
I mean, what IS the plan???


EDIT: Right after I posted this "Bush said he did not foresee a change in the immediate future in the number of U.S. troops in Iraq. He said that U.S. generals have assured him that "they've got what they can live with."

 

[nageov3t]

Topic Title: What IS Bushes Iraq strategy?

A: Run out the clock and pass the buck to whoever the next president is.

/thread

 

[Pens1566]

Let the next president handle it. Unless, of course, its a republican.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Topic Title: What IS Bushes Iraq strategy?

A: Run out the clock and pass the buck to whoever the next president is.

/thread

I'd like to hear from the resident Republicans just what the Bush plan is because the resident Republicans just keep spouting that the Democrats don't have a plan.

So what is the GOP plan???

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: loki8481

Topic Title: What IS Bushes Iraq strategy?

A: Run out the clock and pass the buck to whoever the next president is.

/thread

I'd like to hear from the resident Republicans just what the Bush plan is because the resident Republicans just keep spouting that the Democrats don't have a plan.

So what is the GOP plan???

It seems to me that the Democrats are the only ones offering a plan, unless you consider "stay the course" a plan (which I guess it is, but it doesn't appear to be working). Biden has offered a plan and Murtha has offered a plan.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Let the next president handle it. Unless, of course, its a republican.

His whole life has been screwing up and letting someone else clean it up. Stay the course.

 

[Pens1566]

Same plan he had at Harken energy, Texas Rangers, etc. Run into ground, leave, not my problem, profit!!

 

[zephyrprime]

The situation has gotten even worse recently and the big plan to clean up baghdad has failed so that is why they are saying different things now. They are actually changing their tactics a little.

 

[theeedude]

Blame it on Clinton and Kerry until 2008, then pass the buck to the next guy to clean up.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Blame it on Clinton, Kerry, and the Democrats until 2008, then pass the buck to the next guy to clean up.

FTW, but fixed for accuracy

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: senseamp
Blame it on Clinton, Kerry, and the Democrats until 2008, then pass the buck to the next guy to clean up.

FTW, but fixed for accuracy

Don't forget "the generals on the ground" who Bush claims are the ones running the war

 

[ProfJohn]

His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

Winning isn't a plan. Winning doesn't tell us anything about what he plans to do, otherwise it would be a plan. I have heard a couple of plans from the Democrats, one of which is an immediate withdrawal (Murtha). Then there is the plan to set up a timetable to get the Iraqi's butts in gear and start working together. There is also Biden's plan, which is to create three separate states with limited central government. (at least that's how I understand it).

I plan to make millions of dollars when I graduate college.

Again, style vs. substance. The use of the word "plan" does not mean that it is a "plan." Nouns, verbs and all that..

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

Winning is the goal, not the plan. He has to have a plan to achieve said goal. It's a distinction that your bosses can't quite grasp. Seems they still haven't updated their distributed talking points.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

I think post election we get the Baker plan, which is basically to call it a draw and leave, until then we just sit and wait while troops die because Bush hasn't the courage to do something now.

Fixed for accuracy

 

[Aisengard]

Shh! You're not supposed to focus on that. You're only supposed to know that the Democrats don't have a plan, and it doesn't matter if they do develop one because by that time the GOP will have screwed things up even worse, and continue to say "what's your plan NOW, Dems?"

The plan WAS to not invade Iraq to begin with, then that was screwed up, so then the plan was to have a viable exit strategy, then THAT was screwed up, so now the plan is to try to leave before the GOP can possibly make it worse.

 

[Pens1566]

Then the democrats plan is to win, but with less troops having to die! Voila! It's a no-brainer as Cheney would say.

 

[theeedude]

When I play poker in Vegas, I plan to win too. It's wishful thinking, not a plan.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: senseamp
When I play poker in Vegas, I plan to win too. It's wishful thinking, not a plan.

Not only that, but if I am losing so much, I don't stay till I lose my gas money to get back home, I withdraw from the table.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: senseamp
When I play poker in Vegas, I plan to win too. It's wishful thinking, not a plan.

Not only that, but if I am losing so much, I don't stay till I lose my gas money to get back home, I withdraw from the table.

Well, duh. Money is what's important. And while there's still money to be made in Iraq, we'll be there.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

Win What? What is there to win? We have ALREADY LOST what we were there to win.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm pretty sure Bush doesn't have a plan. Nobody does. We have almost certainly already lost in Iraq. (if your goal was to create a secular democracy friendly to the west that is)

I don't blame Bush for not having a plan... because I don't think one is really possible at this point.

He is doing the smart thing politically right now though, which is to keep the lid on things until after your presidency... and then blame the Democrats for letting Iraq fall apart once you're out. (I guarantee you will hear a chorus from the right whenever we do pull out and Iraq falls apart that if we had only stayed a little longer, things would have turned out great.) It's probably what I would do if I were him.

 

[dmcowen674]

How bout we send Castro to Iraq to finish his life out there?

He couldn't be worse than Saddam right?

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
His plan it to win, not sure he plans to do that, but he plans to win.

Democrats plan is to withdraw, either tomorrow or in a year, but I think almost all of them call for a withdrawal.

Bush talks about winning, the Democrats talk about with drawing. There is a big difference in ideas.

But feel free to bash Bush for lack of a plan, I have not seen the latest one yet. I think post election we get the Baker plan, until then we just sit and wait.

Winning isn't a plan. Winning doesn't tell us anything about what he plans to do, otherwise it would be a plan. I have heard a couple of plans from the Democrats, one of which is an immediate withdrawal (Murtha). Then there is the plan to set up a timetable to get the Iraqi's butts in gear and start working together. There is also Biden's plan, which is to create three separate states with limited central government. (at least that's how I understand it).

I plan to make millions of dollars when I graduate college.

Again, style vs. substance. The use of the word "plan" does not mean that it is a "plan." Nouns, verbs and all that..

His plan is to come up with a plan before the next election cycle.

 

[Pens1566]

His plan is to start planning now on developing a plan.