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What is best for fan placement & air cooling?

Xpred

Senior member
I always wondered whats the best for just normal air cooling with fans. For all I know ..is it best to have only all the fans be blowing out (sucking hot air from in) or the other way which is all the fans be blowing in at the components (sucking cold air from out) ? Or would it be best to have a combination of both?

Nowadays, cases usually have 1 or 2 fans right below the PSU, maybe 2-4 fans next to the HD/floppy, and possibly one fan on the SIDE of the case. What would be best in terms of having them be an exhaust fan or not? I'm guessing maybe the ones below the PSU be a combo of exhaust and blowing in (so you can cool the CPU region while taking hot air out?)... and possibly all exhaust fans near the HD/floppy part of the case? I dunno.

What do you guys think is best?
 
Front intake blowing into case...Rear exhaust blowing out of case...psu fan blowing out of case....side intake (if applies) blowing into case. This is generally how cases are setup for airflow though playing with different fan configs and checking temps while at it is the most thorough way.
 
Generally, you don't want to both suck and blow at the same spot, as it will just circulate warm air while creating a lot of turbulence (=noise). Go for a setup that allows for simple, direct airflow through the entire case. This is - as previously mentioned - front intakes and back exhausts usually.
 
Originally posted by: suszterpatt
Generally, you don't want to both suck and blow at the same spot, as it will just circulate warm air while creating a lot of turbulence (=noise). Go for a setup that allows for simple, direct airflow through the entire case. This is - as previously mentioned - front intakes and back exhausts usually.

But aren't they the same? 😉
 
Originally posted by: VRXJudge
Originally posted by: suszterpatt
Generally, you don't want to both suck and blow at the same spot, as it will just circulate warm air while creating a lot of turbulence (=noise). Go for a setup that allows for simple, direct airflow through the entire case. This is - as previously mentioned - front intakes and back exhausts usually.

But aren't they the same? 😉


😕
 
Here's the gist:

1)Mandatory: Rear exhaust fan blowing hot air out. This is usually placed near the CPU fan that's creating the most heat.
2)Optional, but highly recommended: Front intake fan sucking cold air in. This will cool all the other components and provide cool air to your CPU heatsink. This air is then turned warmer and blown out by the rear exhaust fan.
3)Optional, but recommended: Top blowhold exhaust fan blowing hot air out. After doing extensive work with your computer, feel the top panel. Is it warm? In many cases, hot air gets trapped up top and gets re-circulated back into the case and warms up all the components. A blowhole provides an escape for this trapped hot air.
4)Optional: Side intake fan blowing cold air onto your video cards. Coold down your AGP and PCI components. Your Video card generates lots of heat.
5) Optional: PCI exaust fan. This blows out the hot air generated by your Video card.
6) Optional: CPU Duct. A hold with a pipe/tube leading to your CPU Heatsink fan with an optional fan drawing in cold air.

Also, keep in mind that you want a fairly equal amount of pressure coming from your intake and exhaust fans. For example, if you have 2X120mm intake fans sucking in at 100CFM, you would ideally have exhaust fans blowing out about 100CFM. Too much positive pressure causes turbulance inside your case and doesn't allow for proper air flow. Too much negative pressure is similar and causes only the area around the exhaust fans to be cooled. Slight uneveness is compenstated by holes and cracks in your case.
 
Originally posted by: NatePo717
This my my cooling solution

Airflow

Nice case and setup. Are you sure your PSU is blowing air into the case? I've never been a big fan of PSU's that blow air in, because it's usually hot air that's been circulated around to cool the massive heatsink inside the PSU.
 
Originally posted by: govtcheez75
Originally posted by: NatePo717
This my my cooling solution

Airflow

Nice case and setup. Are you sure your PSU is blowing air into the case? I've never been a big fan of PSU's that blow air in, because it's usually hot air that's been circulated around to cool the massive heatsink inside the PSU.

The PSU is blowing air out...either the picture's backwards or he mounted the mobo on the left side (looking from the front) instead of the right.

edit: that's a really interesting setup...motherboard's "upside down" so the cpu is lower and the vga higher...since recent vga's put out so much heat, that might be the wave of the future. Something to keep in mind for my next build.

-z
 
Originally posted by: zagood
Originally posted by: govtcheez75
Originally posted by: NatePo717
This my my cooling solution

Airflow

Nice case and setup. Are you sure your PSU is blowing air into the case? I've never been a big fan of PSU's that blow air in, because it's usually hot air that's been circulated around to cool the massive heatsink inside the PSU.

The PSU is blowing air out...either the picture's backwards or he mounted the mobo on the left side (looking from the front) instead of the right.

edit: that's a really interesting setup...motherboard's "upside down" so the cpu is lower and the vga higher...since recent vga's put out so much heat, that might be the wave of the future. Something to keep in mind for my next build.

-z


The mobo is mounted on the left side, its a Lian Li V1000, which inverts the mobo. Great airflow! How did you put those 2 120mm fans there, I have a V1100B Plus and I'm looking to increase my airflow. Input appreciated/needed! 🙂
 
I really like how the LianLi V1000 series cases are set up. A big fan to blow air through the set of harddrives and psu. A big fan to blow air onto the cpu. A big fan to blow air out near the top. The other nice benefit is that all the heavy stuff, drives and psu, is set on the bottom of the tower.
 
govtcheez75, what you are recommending with fan positions (as above ^^^), is not correct. If you were to place an exhaust fan at the top of your case, would you not be sucking potential air away from your cpu???
Also a psu unit generates heat, yes? of course... and alot of this heat travels up(as all hot air does) and hits what...? The top of the case... metal/alloy being a great heat conducter... this heating up the top the top of the case. If anything you should have an intake fan on top of your case to help circulate cool air towards cpu and psu...
 
Originally posted by: kwarkers
govtcheez75, what you are recommending with fan positions (as above ^^^), is not correct. If you were to place an exhaust fan at the top of your case, would you not be sucking potential air away from your cpu???

Actually, what gov is doing is expressing a sound theory, heat wants to rise in the fluid medium that is air. In a correctly designed, air-cooled case there will be exhaust fan(s) located on or near the same lateral line as the CPU and MOSFET's. If you have front intakes, air is going to move from front to back, pulling a lot of warmed air with it, right out of the back. However, lots of case environments are a a bit more complex than this. For instance, the front of my case contains 2 HS 80mm intakes, 4 HD's, a floppy, 2 opticals, a 12-channel fan controller ana a dual 5 1/4 in res.

A fair amount of this stuff is going to generate heat that won't easily fall within the general front to back flow I mentioned. Which means it's going to TRY to accumulate at the top of your case to some degree. Is this a major problem? Nope, not under most circumstances. Is it important? Only if you want it to be, then you mount a blowhole. 😉

Also a psu unit generates heat, yes? of course... and alot of this heat travels up(as all hot air does) and hits what...?

To a great extent, this isn't true. Remember, a PSU is responsible for exhausting most of its excess heat. I can't see a large contribution to stagnant heat added to a case.

The top of the case... metal/alloy being a great heat conducter...

True, but this fact is altered by ambient temp. The top of a case will conduct heat well, until the ambient jumps up. After that, even with convection cooling taking place, things can get warm.

this heating up the top the top of the case. If anything you should have an intake fan on top of your case to help circulate cool air towards cpu and psu...

Then you'd be fighting nature and generating a lot of noise in the process.

 
Here's an interesting logic question...

Heat rises, so do you want a) cooler air going to components that need extra cooling (so you place those toward the bottom of the case) or b) the components that produce more heat at the top so they don't affect other components?

Can't have both. Too lazy to conduct tests to see which is more efficient.

-z
 
Originally posted by: zagood
Here's an interesting logic question...

Heat rises, so do you want a) cooler air going to components that need extra cooling (so you place those toward the bottom of the case) or b) the components that produce more heat at the top so they don't affect other components?

Can't have both. Too lazy to conduct tests to see which is more efficient.

-z

Both. 😛
 
Originally posted by: govtcheez75
Here's the gist:

1)Mandatory: Rear exhaust fan blowing hot air out. This is usually placed near the CPU fan that's creating the most heat.
2)Optional, but highly recommended: Front intake fan sucking cold air in. This will cool all the other components and provide cool air to your CPU heatsink. This air is then turned warmer and blown out by the rear exhaust fan.
3)Optional, but recommended: Top blowhold exhaust fan blowing hot air out. After doing extensive work with your computer, feel the top panel. Is it warm? In many cases, hot air gets trapped up top and gets re-circulated back into the case and warms up all the components. A blowhole provides an escape for this trapped hot air.
4)Optional: Side intake fan blowing cold air onto your video cards. Coold down your AGP and PCI components. Your Video card generates lots of heat.
5) Optional: PCI exaust fan. This blows out the hot air generated by your Video card.
6) Optional: CPU Duct. A hold with a pipe/tube leading to your CPU Heatsink fan with an optional fan drawing in cold air.

Also, keep in mind that you want a fairly equal amount of pressure coming from your intake and exhaust fans. For example, if you have 2X120mm intake fans sucking in at 100CFM, you would ideally have exhaust fans blowing out about 100CFM. Too much positive pressure causes turbulance inside your case and doesn't allow for proper air flow. Too much negative pressure is similar and causes only the area around the exhaust fans to be cooled. Slight uneveness is compenstated by holes and cracks in your case.

Actually the top blowhole does not even figure into the equation.
exhaust or intake...mine is blocked!

you actually don`t want an equal amount of pressure.

You want one exhaust fan in the rear of the PC with ALL the other fans being intake.....

Thats the setup that I have and I am running CPU idel temps in the 25--28 range....

You want to have as much cool air as possible coming into your PC provided the air is circulating well!!
 
zagood said:
<< Ducting would give you both, just a pain in the butt sometimes. >>

Everyone who's "been here" has seen that contraption with entire arrays of fans replacing whole case panels.

I've experimented with side-panel blow-holes, but it's an idea I try and avoid now.

And the reasons for that are -- first, the noise, which is no longer confined to the front and rear. Second, in some situations extra vents make it more difficult to keep case interior pressure higher. Higher pressure, denser air; denser air, more effective heat transfer.

Ducting IS a PITA, especially when you want access to the motherboard. But I build my ducts to come apart easily, using velcro-tape-patches and "lap-joints" to hold the duct firmly together.

The idea of ducting really works well when you consider "serial augmentation of air-flow." I've seen some people attempt to increase cooling by putting one fan behind another, but this really doesn't work well. Airflow is still going to be about the same.

If you can arrange to have high CFMs of air intake from the front of the case with large, low-noise fans, it will keep the case interior-pressure higher. With a motherboard duct, this air in the case-interior-at-large is drawn in by the CPU fan, and any excess pressure also seeps through the cracks and (hopefully narrow) openings in the duct around the motherboard. The case exhaust fans, on the "out-flow" side of the duct, does the rest of the work.

My memory modules and my graphics card make natural obstructions that become part of the duct, and narrow crevices between these components and the ducting-board draws air over them -- "low-volume, high-airflow."

It has stabilized my case temperatures. The intake fans push air over the hard disks toward the PCI cards in the lower part of the mobo. Additional pressure feed the area around the memory modules. The CPU fan does the rest of the work, and the air is drawn out through the exhaust fans. I let the low-rpm fans of the power-supply work independently -- again served by high interior-case air-pressure.

NOW -- given all that, there are secondary objectives -- to reduce fan rpms to a point where these equilibria and direction of flow are maintained, but with low dBA's or noise. I think the ducting may dismiss the need for "dual intake" or "dual exhaust" fans.

The main thing, is to get a lot of air to move consistently through the case, and to get that air to move in large part through narrow passages over the motherboard and heatsink base.

That way, nobody gonna call me "fan-boi!"

The blow-holes in the top of the case are not really necessary if all the heat is carried off through the duct. If the PSU is in the top of the case, it also gets a good "feed" from interior case pressure, and should not be any warmer than under "more ventilated" solutions. Blow-holes in the top can also be noisy. You might drop a paper-clip or something in there, too.

And I know what some people will say about my slovenly habits. I agree that it's a good rule to avoid putting cups of coffee or plates with snacks on top of your computer case, but I do it occasionally. Another reason I'd just as soon not have a blowhole there.
 
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