My contractor is nudging me to go for Carrier. In general is Carrier any good?
The furnace will be going into a crawl space.
The furnace will be going into a crawl space.
What is a good brand for gas furnance?
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It is recognized as a good brand. fyi Carrier, Bryant, Heil, Tempstar, and Comfortmaker brands are all made by United Technology
MongGrel
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Our heat Pump is a Carrier at any rate. Just replaced it recently.
In general they are very good overall IMHO, looked many over myself and even went a step larger size over our old Trane. I do not have a furnace in FL I guess, but they are a well known brand.
In general they are very good overall IMHO, looked many over myself and even went a step larger size over our old Trane. I do not have a furnace in FL I guess, but they are a well known brand.
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Whats important is do you trust your contractor in getting good service later on down the road?
To be fair, there is not a lot of difference in the big brand names for HVAC equipment.
It comes down to 2 things
1. The installers
2. The service later on
I ended up with Bryant gear because the contractor in town had a fantastic rep and has been great to deal with.
To be fair, there is not a lot of difference in the big brand names for HVAC equipment.
It comes down to 2 things
1. The installers
2. The service later on
I ended up with Bryant gear because the contractor in town had a fantastic rep and has been great to deal with.
He offered to install:
1) Carrier Comfort 80 58STA 80% AFUE
2) Carrier Infinity 96 59TN6 96% AFUE
He said there is only like a $300 difference between the two. But the 96% high efficiency looks like it's a more complicated install because it needs to have condensate drain lines and intake vent pipe installed. The 80% efficiency just needs an exhaust vent. He assured me he is familiar with installing either of these.
So I picked the 96% efficiency model and hope for the best. So far he installed all new duct work and registers. He also poured a concrete pad in the crawlspace to support the furnace.
1) Carrier Comfort 80 58STA 80% AFUE
2) Carrier Infinity 96 59TN6 96% AFUE
He said there is only like a $300 difference between the two. But the 96% high efficiency looks like it's a more complicated install because it needs to have condensate drain lines and intake vent pipe installed. The 80% efficiency just needs an exhaust vent. He assured me he is familiar with installing either of these.
So I picked the 96% efficiency model and hope for the best. So far he installed all new duct work and registers. He also poured a concrete pad in the crawlspace to support the furnace.
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Good choice, i would of done the same. With the ecm motor you can fiddle around with fan speeds like no other.
Inded. I ended up with a modulating furnace along with a variable speed heat pump.
The furnace is basically inaudiable when running, even standing next to it.
Dont be alamared, most likey it will run significanlty longer than your current unit.
In cooling mode espically, the HP and furnace almost never turn off, yet my bills are way less because it runs in a low gear. Neat bits of tech for sure.
The furnace is basically inaudiable when running, even standing next to it.
Dont be alamared, most likey it will run significanlty longer than your current unit.
In cooling mode espically, the HP and furnace almost never turn off, yet my bills are way less because it runs in a low gear. Neat bits of tech for sure.
Scarpozzi
Lifer
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I got 3-4 quotes when I replaced my HVAC unit 5 years ago. The most affordable of the major brands for me was American Standard. It's the same company that makes Trane... Carrier was more expensive and ratings/reviews were about the same. Just research the brands and remember that some dealers may get more markup for certain brands.
If you ever see brands like Goodman out there, they are decent units...but cheap and don't have the same control over their distribution because they sell in bulk to contractors. Carrier and the other big companies try to control the distribution to keep their prices high.
Edit: I need to add...I bought a dual-fuel system. It switches from electric heat-pump mode to the natural gas furnace when the temp gets below 40 degrees. This helps efficiency since the heat pump barely has to do anything between 40-60 degrees. In all cases, I like having my air handler circulating air.
If you ever see brands like Goodman out there, they are decent units...but cheap and don't have the same control over their distribution because they sell in bulk to contractors. Carrier and the other big companies try to control the distribution to keep their prices high.
Edit: I need to add...I bought a dual-fuel system. It switches from electric heat-pump mode to the natural gas furnace when the temp gets below 40 degrees. This helps efficiency since the heat pump barely has to do anything between 40-60 degrees. In all cases, I like having my air handler circulating air.
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It's doesn't have a fancy heat pump but it is a 2 stage gas furnace. It's gonna be a huge difference from my 30 year old furnace. :biggrin:
Carrier is so secretive about everything. I'm trying to see if I'm getting a fair deal but I can't even find the retail price on the furnace online.
Hmm ... I dont know about Carrier but other furnaces like Goodman or Napoleon you can easily find at yahoo
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Many companies don't offer their prices online, because they are first hand distributors, therefore prices vary, and you wont ever find two identical prices. The best thing to do is to find a distributor online service that specializes in items like that and get their quote.
Oh common guys I spent 1 minute for making search:
Infinity series
Carrier Infinity ICS–80,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $3,199
Carrier Infinity 96–80,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $2,949
Carrier Infinity 80–90,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $1,699
Performance series
Carrier Performance 96–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,959
Carrier Performance 95–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,839
Carrier Performance 93–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,779
Carrier Performance Boost 90–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,979
Carrier Performance Boost 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,459
Carrier Performance 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,249
Comfort series
Carrier Comfort 95–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,689
Carrier Comfort 92–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,479
Carrier Comfort 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $989
Base series
Carrier Base 90–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,129
Carrier Base 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $889
Infinity series
Carrier Infinity ICS–80,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $3,199
Carrier Infinity 96–80,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $2,949
Carrier Infinity 80–90,000 Btu Gas Furnace: $1,699
Performance series
Carrier Performance 96–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,959
Carrier Performance 95–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,839
Carrier Performance 93–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $2,779
Carrier Performance Boost 90–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,979
Carrier Performance Boost 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,459
Carrier Performance 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,249
Comfort series
Carrier Comfort 95–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,689
Carrier Comfort 92–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,479
Carrier Comfort 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $989
Base series
Carrier Base 90–80,000 Btu gas furnace: $1,129
Carrier Base 80–90,000 Btu gas furnace: $889
I hate these manufacturers-posers ... all furnaces come from china and they still try to get exclusivity points on its shitty products.:hmm:
I understand your concern calahan and i agree any products made in china are faulty and American brands are the only way to go. As far as point no chinese company gets any from me, nothing but second grade craftsmanship.
Scarpozzi
Lifer
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It's not just Carrier. That's why I suggest getting quotes from multiple companies selling different brands. I handled my estimates the same way I do in the office for government bids. I got at least 3 and put them against each other....telling each company that they would be considered based on price vs function. I gave them a list of my requirements and ended up with prices ranging from $7500-12500 for the same thing. Carrier was the most expensive...Trane was second most expensive. I went with the American Standard system that was $7500 and it has performed great. My electric bill dropped from $150-300/month to $80-145/month. Summer months are higher due to a dehumidifier I run and warmer temps..
One more note: I just read your comment about it going in the crawlspace. That's where I had mine mounted. They hung it from the floor joists and mounted the air handler sideways down there.
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That's a smart way to go about it, but reputation matters in this industry. No one wants to shell out thousands on a faulty item. I think American Standrard is definitely up there with the best.
Based on your findings I would be getting ripped off if I got the Comfort 80.
However I am getting a extremely good deal with the Infinity 96.
My general contractor seems to be more familiar with Carrier so I don't want to make him change.
Originally the old furnace was in the hall way closet. My architect recommended to put it in the attic to get that closet space back. My contractor wanted to put it in the crawl space because he said it would be quieter.
Scarpozzi
Lifer
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He may not be able to sell/install the others if he doesn't have an account with any of the other companies. Estimates from most HVAC companies cost you the time of having them evaluate the installation location. Run some numbers behind his back and see what the competition charges...then decide if it's worth the difference.
On my estimates. 2 of the estimators looked at the existing unit I had and gave me a quote for a replacement unit that was the same size. I told them it was undersized and had them scale it up 1/2 ton (cooling).
The 3rd estimator measured window openings, measured exterior walls, and used his computer to spit out more specific numbers on how much cooling I needed. No one else spent that kind of time....he was there over an hour. I was sad when his product was about $3k over my lowest bid, but he told me I was right by bumping the cooling capacity up since they lose efficiency over time.
On my estimates. 2 of the estimators looked at the existing unit I had and gave me a quote for a replacement unit that was the same size. I told them it was undersized and had them scale it up 1/2 ton (cooling).
The 3rd estimator measured window openings, measured exterior walls, and used his computer to spit out more specific numbers on how much cooling I needed. No one else spent that kind of time....he was there over an hour. I was sad when his product was about $3k over my lowest bid, but he told me I was right by bumping the cooling capacity up since they lose efficiency over time.
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