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What if Trump and Sanders join hands?

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sontakke

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If Trump were to offer VP to BS, it will be 50-state win for the ticket. Before you guys says there is no absolutely no way Trump will put Bernie on his ticket, please remember that a year or so ago nobody would have thought Trump would be the nominee or that Bernie would pass single digit delegate count.

This will also remove any doubts that low information voters form silent majority of US electorates. Trump is completely immune from any blow-back when he changes his positions. He can legitimately claim that this is the only way to get him in the White House. He is the best at making deals and this is a fantastic deal for both Trump, Bernie and their voters. Yes I understand Bernie had said Hillary is hundred times better than any Republic candidate but I have a feeling that he will gladly accept the carrot from Trump.

How far fetched is this idea as compared to the current reality?
 
Exceptionally far fetched. If Sanders were to agree to this - something I find almost inconceivable - he would effectively be admitting that his entire campaign (maybe even his entire decades-long career) has been a cynical political ploy, and that he believes in none of the things he says he does. I don't think those things are true. While Sanders is far from being the messiah his supporters seem to think, I do regard him as basically sincere, and I see no realistic way he would make a deal with the devil by running with Trump of all people.

I do not agree this would lead to a 50-state win for the Trump ticket, in any event. I expect the most reliably blue states would, for the most part, remain blue. Meanwhile it would alienate a lot of Trump supporters to have him pick a socialist running mate (not that I expect that would lead most of them to vote for Clinton). I agree it would make the race more competitive, but I can't imagine it would lead to a landslide victory for Trump.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
Exceptionally far fetched. If Sanders were to agree to this - something I find almost inconceivable - he would effectively be admitting that his entire campaign (maybe even his entire decades-long career) has been a cynical political ploy, and that he believes in none of the things he says he does. I don't think those things are true. While Sanders is far from being the messiah his supporters seem to think, I do regard him as basically sincere, and I see no realistic way he would make a deal with the devil by running with Trump of all people.

I do not agree this would lead to a 50-state win for the Trump ticket, in any event. I expect the most reliably blue states would, for the most part, remain blue. Meanwhile it would alienate a lot of Trump supporters to have him pick a socialist running mate (not that I expect that would lead most of them to vote for Clinton). I agree it would make the race more competitive, but I can't imagine it would lead to a landslide victory for Trump.
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People spend a lot of time and energy thinking about VP picks but I'm not aware of even a single case where a VP pick meaningfully changed an election. The closest I can think of is Sarah Palin, but even that was a momentary blip before the race returned to its previous dynamics.
 
DVC put it much more tactfully then I ever would. Pure insanity when looking at it from both sides, and I'm pretty sure Bernie would rather spend the rest of his days in Guantanamo being waterboarded before accepting a deal from Trump.
 
The only way I see it happening would be on a "Get big money out of politics" campaign where they both joined hands while simultaneously condemning Hillary as the personification of said things. Probably not going to happen though.
 
Theoretical political science tells us that they would instantly annihilate each other releasing a blast of pure political energy that would destroying every partisan plan on the planet.
 
Heh these two share some positions. More than some are willing to admit.

I dont think it will happen. But why not toss it on? This election has been a complete shitshow and most entertaining in my lifetime.
 
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I think if Bernie accepted a VP offer from Trump he'd lose pretty much all of his "Always stands on principle" cred, and the result would be too few Bernie or Bust voters switching sides to change the outcome of the general election. Probably wouldn't even offset the Republicans who stayed at home due to Trump's nomination.
 
I would be extremely sad if I have to say "I told you so". Knowing Trump, he is capable of promising the sky to Bernie if Trump thinks that will make him more competitive. Bernie is sincere but also little naive too.

It is far fetched but is it really as far fetched as Trump being the republican nominee?
 
You mean like two men tenderly joining hands, while shyly gazing at the ground, until slowly locking eyes in a burst of fiery passion with both instantly knowing what is coming next?
 
Genx87 said:
Heh these two share some positions. More than some are willing to admit.

I dont think it will happen. But why not toss it on? This election has been a complete shitshow and most entertaining in my lifetime.
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Trump's positions seem to be pretty flexible, and he seems not afraid to constrict himself. I think everything he says is simply lip service. He masks his REAL positions well.

For being "not a politician", he is doing a very good job at acting like one.
 
BurnItDwn said:
Trump's positions seem to be pretty flexible, and he seems not afraid to constrict himself. I think everything he says is simply lip service. He masks his REAL positions well.

For being "not a politician", he is doing a very good job at acting like one.
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Trump doesn't have any positions. All he does is ramble and spit out buzzwords like a Republican version of a fortune cookie. Go read the transcripts of his speeches. He doesn't even make sense half the time. He is just saying lots of words with almost no attempt as anything resembling grammar or any thought of being comprehensible. I would be willing to bet he does not even have speeches but instead lists of buzzwords that he just creates a on-the-spot story around to separate them.
 
SMOGZINN said:
Trump doesn't have any positions. All he does is ramble and spit out buzzwords like a Republican version of a fortune cookie. Go read the transcripts of his speeches. He doesn't even make sense half the time. He is just saying lots of words with almost no attempt as anything resembling grammar or any thought of being comprehensible. I would be willing to bet he does not even have speeches but instead lists of buzzwords that he just creates a on-the-spot story around to separate them.
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But he's highly educated. He knows all the words. He has THE BEST words.
 
sontakke said:
I would be extremely sad if I have to say "I told you so". Knowing Trump, he is capable of promising the sky to Bernie if Trump thinks that will make him more competitive. Bernie is sincere but also little naive too.

It is far fetched but is it really as far fetched as Trump being the republican nominee?
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Trump can't promise what Bernie really wants, which is to tear down ownership based class barriers.

Trump's win is only surprising in the sense that Repub primary voters never cease to amaze. He took the lead in polling of likely Repub primary voters last August & then bullied his way to the top of an otherwise weak field.
 
Looking past all the reasons why it'd never happen..

Why would this make Trump so much more of a viable ticket? In practice VP has little actual power or influence, or at least little more than what the president allows. Having Bernie on the ticket wouldn't create some hybrid Trump/Bernie presidency. You only get VPs like Dick Cheney when the president is especially weak, and I think the voters generally know this.

VP is useful for establishing yourself as a candidate to run after the president is done but there's no Bernie would be fit to run again 8 years from now when he's in his 80s. He'd just be blowing 4 years where we could have kept his senate seat, and it'd probably cause him to lose any future election for any political office in VT.
 
As long as I get my unicorn, pot of gold, and jet pack, I'm all for this Trump/Sanders ticket.
 
There's a bunch of people questioning the entire process from both major parties..... with Trump getting the nod and the whole superdelgate thing on the D side of the house it's certainly shaking things up. Hillary is going to take the casablanca though... it was predetermined. VP? irrelevant in terms of the election.
 
Jhhnn said:
Well, I mean it could happen if they dropped acid together or something like that.
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And thats just the thing. Trump is more or less a cocaine and speed freak. Sanders I can see smoking a bit of pot, dropping some acid, maybe tripping on E, but, completely different drugs with no overlap at all.

Its like Lemmy compared with the rest of Hawkwind in the early 70s. Lemmy on speed always fighting and breaking stuff and more or less 24/7 manic. Brock and the gang tripping balls and doped up on peyote and more or less being stoned our of their minds.

Anyhow, Lemmy went on to form Motorhead. He too had the best words, and was worshipped and adored by his fans.

Of course Lemmy was the ace of spades, and wrote songs like "Eat the rich", and Don, well, vi_edit explained him well enough ...



Anyhow, I guess my point is that people that did a shitload of drugs and somehow survived, many of them turned out to be some kind of crazy geniuses.
 
Join hands with Sanders? I'm beginning to think that Trumps ego is so yuuuuuge that he doesn't even need one.

He obviously can't share the spotlight with anyone, and everything is a slight to him. Nice presidential material.

Here's an example of how he's starting out to get along with the Republican Party. He's going to start a third party revolt with the conservatives in the party.

Nice start: Insult the leader of the house.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ch-other-deepening-fracture-in-gop/ar-BBsHgXZ

Conservatives want to know: Does he share our values and our principles on limited government, the proper role of the executive, adherence to the Constitution?” Ryan said from his home state of Wisconsin during an interview on CNN. “There are a lot of questions that conservatives, I think, are going to want answers to, myself included.”

Asked directly whether he could support Trump as the nominee, Ryan said: “I’m just not ready to do that at this point. I’m not there right now.”
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Trumps response:

The businessman, it turns out, is not a fan of Ryan’s brand of Republican, either.

“I am not ready to support Speaker Ryan’s agenda,” Trump said in a statement. “Perhaps in the future we can work together and come to an agreement about what is best for the American people.”
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