What if someone else claims your domain's name?

GunsMadeAmericaFree

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I've always been an aspiring writer with an interest in food. Back in 2000, I started writing a monthly computer review column for a magazine. The next year, I thought it would be nice to develop a website where I could review local restaurants. I tried to come up with something that had alliteration. Let's say that I live in Dola, and I ended up thinking "DolaDining.com" (not the real name) would be a good website. I saw that no one had registered it, and hemmed and hawed for about 3 weeks trying to decide whether to spend the 10 bucks to register it, trying to decide if I would really get around to doing anything with it, etc. Then I finally decided to get it, and suddenly found that it was taken. It almost seemed to me that someone had noticed my checking out the domain name, and decided to buy it. Well, I decided then that I definitely wanted it, and I spent the lion's share of my tax refund that year (I think early 2002) to purchase it from that guy.

One thing led to another, and I ended up getting a job, getting married, having kids, and then fixing up an old duplex while doing freelance writing for a couple of magazines and a newspaper. I kept the domain name registered, but didn't think I had the technical know-how or the time to actually do anything with the domain. For a short time, I considered trying to work out something with the publisher of the paper I was writing for, but shelved that idea when he was late with payment for articles a couple of times in a row.

Lo and behold, about a month ago somebody left a message on my answering machine asking me how to transfer the domain. He claimed to be the former editor of a local paper (not the one I had freelanced for) that had a dining section, and he wanted info on how to transfer it to a new owner. I explained that I meant to develop it into a blog that had local restaurant reviews, and that I had purchased it, but that I supposed I might sell it if the offer was high enough. He claimed they had ownership of the name, and then told me he was in contact with an interested party. He wanted details about how much I had paid, when I had purchased it, etc. In exchange, he said he would put me in touch with the interested party. I didn't like his changing story, nor how I started to feel like he was just digging for information, so I decided not to answer him any more.

About a week later, I got a message from a woman on my answering machine. She gave her name, then followed up with "from Dola Dining". She said she was interested in purchasing the domain name. Now at this point, I'm rather miffed, to put it mildly. Someone is going around using the name that I had registered over 7 years ago, and which I thought I had sole use of. I almost decided to contact her and tell her that she was just going about the process wrong, and that if she would just send me a concrete offer in writing, I would consider it. However, after mulling it over a few days, it actually served to finally get me off my butt and do some research. I realized I could set up a blogger account with Google and accomplish most of what I wanted to do in the short term with the domain name - at no cost. I could set up a blog, link it to my domain, and post restaurant reviews for places I ate 3 or 4 times a month. With Google Adsense enabled, I might even make a few bucks to help pay the tips. (not to mention I can write off the cost of eating out on our taxes)

So, I set up the website, and I've now posted my second restaurant review to it. After doing this, I decided to do some research on the woman who wanted to buy my domain. The situation is worse than I thought. It turns out that she has registered my "Dola Dining" name on twitter, on facebook, on myspace, etc. This means I can't even set up an account on any of those services using the name from my registered domain name - she already has them.

The worst thing is that she seems to have found a way around the fact that I legally have the "doladining.com" domain name. She has used some service called the "ning network". (ning.com), which has allowed her to set up a base website at "doladining.ning.com". Since she has been doing this for a year, or maybe a year and a half, she gets the hits for anybody doing a search for "dola" and "dining". She has actually set up a bunch of other blogs, entries on local websites, and other things which purposefully have links to her "doladining.ning.com" website, so that it will show up in loads of searches.

I think I have the better domain name, but at this point I'm wondering if it even matters. Even though I registered the "Dola Dining" (again, not the real name) domain on the internet ~5 years before she started the food blog, or the "doladining.ning.com" website, as far as I can tell this still won't allow me to force her to stop using my name on Twitter, facebook or other social linking websites that will drive loads of searches to her website. And since I would have to use a different name from my domain name if I registered on those services, it seems like her registering first there really limits my ability to bring in new viewers - not to mention it confuses the heck out of anybody - makes them think that she is the official "Dola Dining" website. That is how she presents herself - even to me when she called on the telephone. I'm just not sure what the precedent is when it comes to a name that is modeled after the place you live. In this case, it is just the city name, plus "Dining". I thought I had that sewed up when I noticed nobody else was using it in the papers or online at the time, and I purchased it outright.

Am I screwed?
 

Red Squirrel

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Need cliffs... but from what I gather this crazy woman wants to steal your domain?

Just make sure it's set to registrar-lock, renew it for 10 years if you really don't want to take any chances, and make sure you never lose the password to get in so you can change dns info/renew in the future.

You registered it first, so it's yours. Only way you could loose it afaik is if that woman decides to trademark it. If you want to be really safe, do it before her. Not cheap though...

She will be stupid to keep linking to it, it will simply give you more advertising.
 

bobdole369

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The first thing you should know about copyright, prior art, eminent domain, etc - is that in order for the copyright holder (TM or whatever it is), you need to use it.

It seems to me that while you had the name you possibly didn't really do anything with it. If they have a bonafide business, and a registered TM and all that, you could easily lose this.
 
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You don't own the name just becaue you own the domain. You thought of a name, didn't do anything with it for 7 years and now you're pissed that someone else used it in the intervening time? Give me a break.
 

nerp

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Just have a better site. If you have good content, who cares what she does?
 

xanis

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Probably the site in question:
http://daytondining.ning.com/
http://twitter.com/daytondining
http://www.facebook.com/DaytonDining

It's not even a creative name. Think of something better and generate better content (won't be hard, this site is pretty bad).

I totally agree. See how much you can sell your domain to this fool for and pocket the cash. Think up a better name, design a better site, and create better content. Like GA said, it wouldn't be too hard... that site blows.
 

dfuze

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I agree with the others. Sell it, make a profit, and make a new site. You already said you've only done a few reviews, so it won't be a major upheaval for you to do another site.
 

TechAZ

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You will not lose the domain that you have. There is NO way she can get (even if she's trademarked the name) it unless:

1. You sell it
2. Your account gets compromised and it gets transferred
3. You let the registration lapse and lose it

That said, you won't be able to do business under that name now that she has the name trademarked. Basically you're just stuck parking the domain, or (what I would do) is sell it to her....but only for a good price, push it and see how much she'll pay.
 

Miramonti

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Living in the past is one thing, but when one is stuck over 200 years in the past, it's simply time to consider some counseling and move on. ;)
 

bobdole369

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I'm fairly sure that the courts have been siding with the domain holder in most of these cases, BUT, if the affected person starts suing you - your probably gonna lose it. I would offer a sale....
 

Q

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I say:
You seem to only want the domain because it sounds nice and you feel that it's "yours" due to how long you have had it. I understand how you feel, I really do. But keep in mind, you don't have an established site (by any means), and could easily get a new domain and not really be affected at all (2 articles on a blog = maybe what, 20 total visitors?).

I'd hold on to it until she sends an offer in writing. In other words, sell it to her for as much as she is willing to pay, and use that money to build your site on your new domain. A 7 year old domain that somebody wants pretty badly (as it seems she does) warrants some decent money.
 
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rockyct

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I'm fairly sure that the courts have been siding with the domain holder in most of these cases, BUT, if the affected person starts suing you - your probably gonna lose it. I would offer a sale....

I think the courts do frown on cybersquatting. I'd continue to do content for the site but say something like "I'm not looking to sell it, but I'm open to offers." It's tough luck about her registering the other accounts first, but a domain name does not equal a trademark. IF you had established a reputation at daytondining.com, maybe you could try to get facebook/twitter/myspace to transfer the account but even that would be an uphill battle.

Personally, unless you're making a significant amount of money from Google ads (which I doubt), I'd just remove them for now as further evidence that you are not cybersquatting.

BTW, daytoneating.com is available
 

Q

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The truth in the matter is, if it starts getting 'dirty' which I doubt it will, be sure to point out to her that it's going to cost a heck of a lot more for her to sue or trademark the name than it would to just buy it from you.
 

Adrenaline

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Trademark it if you rteally want it. As others have said, you could always sell and grab a new domain name.

For information on what happens when someone tries to force your hand out of a domain name, check out nissan.com.
 

chusteczka

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I agree with the idea to sell your site to this other party and move to another site.

Two concepts are mixed here and it is important to understand the difference.

A domain name for a web address is merely an alias for a URL. That is all. For example, www.daytondining.com instead of 74.125.53.121.

A trademark is a legally enforceable right to a name used in reference to business.

A domain name is not a trademark and does not receive the legal protection provided trademarks.

If you had been using the name for business these last few years, then you could legally pressure her to cease using the name as a business name (even if not registered with the US Patent and Trademark office). However, email addresses, web addresses, twitter accounts, facebook accounts, and such have not yet obtained the legal status of a business name and cannot be protected. There are too many spelling variations anyway. You can create a facebook account with "Dola.Dining" to compete against her "DolaDining" if you wish.

It seems to me that your focus is on writing restaurant reviews. Maybe you could hire yourself out as a consultant to other restaurant review websites. Unless you wish to create your own business in competition with other websites already established.