What if God is indeed vengeful and cruel?
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irishScott
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Then everybody who isn't one of god's b!tchs is gonna be capped in heaven.
In short, every major religion is wrong. Hell, even the terrorists believe allah to be merciful and compassionate.
In short, every major religion is wrong. Hell, even the terrorists believe allah to be merciful and compassionate.
People who believe in the bible think he can be a vengeful God, no?
Also, can you please elaborate on how being a Deist implies that you should believe he CAN'T be a cruel or vengeful God? Seriously, I'm asking because I don't know.
Also, can you please elaborate on how being a Deist implies that you should believe he CAN'T be a cruel or vengeful God? Seriously, I'm asking because I don't know.
irishScott
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Sure, I agree. But that wasn't what the OP said/asked. He said he CANNOT at ANY TIME be cruel or vengeful.
Based on what though? I'm asking you to explain this belief. You make it sound as if it's an automatic tennent of being a deist. I see otherwise now, but I still would like to hear you explain your logic.
But he's all knowledgable, so knew how things were going to pan out anyway, like the programmer who knows exactly how the code he has written will act. You're destined to hell before you're born.
irishScott
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Well, that's your view. I personally think no one truly knows the future. Not even god, although he has more than enough power to control it to his will.
However, he did give us free will. We can make our own choices in life, and direct our own course to a degree. Only outside events are in god's control.
PottedMeat
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Can God be just without being vengeful? I would imagine God is vengeful to the extent that he is carrying out justice, not to the extent that he is sitting in Heaven laughing a peoples misery. So I wouldn't see a problem with him being vengeful.
As for cruel, that's one a little difficult. We often view things as being cruel because we don't have the ability to see things as they will turn out. So I think cruel is a matter of interpretation. But, as with vengeful, if you're talking about him up there laughing at peoples misery, then I'd say yes, that kind of hurt Theist views, or the majority of them anyway.
As for cruel, that's one a little difficult. We often view things as being cruel because we don't have the ability to see things as they will turn out. So I think cruel is a matter of interpretation. But, as with vengeful, if you're talking about him up there laughing at peoples misery, then I'd say yes, that kind of hurt Theist views, or the majority of them anyway.
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Consider a being who crafts creation and leaves it independent to its own devices and evolution, to consider that such a being would be cruel or vengeful would be to assume that such an entity would still take active interest & participation in its creation. This would contradict my personal belief.
Are you a deist too?
God cannot be cruel which is sinful, but he is just and will not allow evil to go unpunished.
God can be vengeful:
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
So he's not all knowledgable? I always figured he was, having created the whole universe and all... It's interesting that a massive part of what he ccreated is a complete mystery to him, it's almost like a massive oversight.
Your god's mentality to me seems like a sick game; like having hamsters (us) walk along a 1 inch wide piece of wood (the righteous path) suspended above boiling water (hell) whilst god has a pea-shooter (temptations he created) that he pelts the unfortunate rodents with as they makes their way across. Hardly the loving feller people make him out to be.
I don't like labels, though I do share a lot of those veiws. I have my own belief system and I tend not to share it with others. Talk of religion usually leads to nothing good, especially in the deep Southern Baptist south.
My basic "end all" belief is that no matter who you are, or what you believe, you'll NEVER really know until you're dead. By then it's too late to tell anybody else!
irishScott
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It's a bit more complicated then that.
My view is that yes, god created the Universe, and yes he DOES know the future. However, then he introduced us, and gave us free will. This is where the randomness comes in. God cannot alter human thought directly, and we could in theory change the Universe, and are changing it (although a a very small scale). He has more than enough power to bend the future to his will, but he is merciful, and for the time being lets us go about our business.
Does anyone watch boston legal?
If so. Denny Crane has an interesting perspective.
I can't remember exactly how he says it but, it has something to do with how, if you don't believe and he does exist, your screwed. But, if he doesn't exist, and you believe it doesn't hurt ya
If so. Denny Crane has an interesting perspective.
I can't remember exactly how he says it but, it has something to do with how, if you don't believe and he does exist, your screwed. But, if he doesn't exist, and you believe it doesn't hurt ya
MiniDoom
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I see everything as a puzzle. Everyone is partially right and wrong. Maybe Christianity is a few pieces of the puzzle, Islam can be a few, and science can be a few. Some may hold more pieces than others. Everyone has a different image in the end but no one thing can contain all of the pieces. That is for us to put together. And in my religion God killed many people, but there is no hell and little or no mention of Heaven. So if you are Hindu or Muslim by accident of birth, you do not go to hell.
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