TechnoButt
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Originally posted by: conjur
Bush was wrong. 100% wrong.
What exactly was Bush wrong about? Weapons of Mass Destruction?
The justification used for invading Iraq was the known stockpiles of WMDs and other known "evidence" of reconstituted BW/CW/Nuclear weapons programs.
He had live SCUDs, those were banned by the UN after the invasion of Kuwait. We found them.
He used Serin gas on his own people, effectively attempting racial cleansing genocide. If that's not a WMD with intent, I don't know what is?
The intelligence was flawed. That sucks. Does that mean we don't listen to what intelligence we have and act on it? Of course not. The justification of going to war was that the UN was being blocked by countries with Veto power that chose to turn a blind eye rather than do what needed to be done (can you say, "France"). The only justification we needed was why do we do this without UN Sanction.. the answer is, "Because no arrogant Frenchie with a financial conflict of interest (read: buying Iraq oil during UN Embargo) is going to Veto our: 1) moral responsibility to stabilize the middle East and put down Tyrannical Dicatorships that affect our way of life economically or otherwise and 2) responsibility to the people of the United States to remove a threat to our safety at home or abroad.This has been proven to be a complete and utter fabrication and exaggeration of dubious intelligence.
Why now? 09/11. It's simple. The rules have changed for how we deal with the world. We had begun to turn a blind eye to problems that plagued the rest of the world (and even our holdings in other countries - terrorism, including our own embassies). After 9/11, you can bet your ass the United States is in an ongoing hunt to shut down terrorists where ever they may be. If you're foolish enough to be on our list of unrecognized sovereignities and our flawed intelligence says you're harboring terrorists and other groups that threaten American safety at home and aboard, yes we are going to step on you. Our safety, at home and abroad, is worth any price. Are democracies safer for US citizens, you betcha.
Ergo, this war can never be justified.
The war is justified to me because Iraq has hope where it had none before and Democracy has a slippery foothold in the area of the world that offers the most resistance to change and has a culture most diametrically opposed to our way of life.
If the Iraqis wanted democracy, they'd have found a way to get it. We did back in the late 18th century.
We had help when we needed it. Now we give it when we can. Probably not as often as we should. France helped us out of a combination of Greed and Goodwill, so now we in turn give this gift as often as we can find the time and resources to do so.
On a personal opinion note: US Recognized Sovereignity inherently brings responsibility. One of those responsiblities is to not harbor subcultures that strive to remove basic freedoms from peoples, especially peoples outside their own borders. Some countries are savvy enough to put on airs for the US (Read: Saudi Arabia) while quietly supporting or turning a blind eye to those subcultures within their borders (terrorists). Hussein was too vain to lie to us, so we ceased to recognize his Sovereignity. The United States made the decision to transfer our recognition of sovereign control of the area known as Iraq to the people who decide to show up for an election once we remove the Dictator/King/Military Overlord. If they make a bad decision, we'll be back.
