What if billions of people are RIGHT?

[TAsunder]

Isn't that a 6 foot difference, 2 vs 8...?

I believe a cubit is the length of one's forearm?

I can prove to myself that I exist, but I cannot prove that you exist, nor can you prove that you exist (unless you are me).

 

[Dedpuhl]

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Good post. Good research. You are, of course, correct about the Old Testement's view toward the legalities of slavery. I stand corrected. As for the New Testement and the convenant between God and His people, the subject of slavery is only spoken about with regard to CHRISTIANS who are slaves and how those CHRISTIANS should behave. Come to think of it... there may be a verse or two about masters and their treatment of slaves, but I can't bring them to mind at the moment.
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Of course it only mentions Xian slaves, because any other form of slavery was completely legit. Hell, the Roman Catholic church (I forget under which pope) just declared that slavery was immoral in the 19th century.


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Regarding Galileo, have you ever looked at what ANY scientist can go through with new discovery? Look at the life of Lious Pasteur... for decades, the MEDICAL AND SCIENTIFIC communities ridiculed him and scoffed at his ideas.... almost all of which were right! If those same men had been in positions of extreme power (such as the Catholic church way back when), they may have even imprisoned him or worse... we'll never know. Point is, it's not just Theists who mistreat those with new and different ideas. Another point is that the appology about Galileo was from the governing body of the Roman Catholic church. Your statement makes it look like it took the average Christian that long to know what was right and wrong. That's like blaming the average Chinese peasant for being in a Communist country.
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If I meant all Catholics are just apologizing, then I would have said "Catholics." That is why I said the Church. I understand that new discoveries will bring negative attention to a person, but 350 years worth? The governing body of the church had to swallow their pride and admit they were bastards to a scientist.

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About the cubits, could you tell me the measuring device the author was using when he measured the vessel? It would appear that it was written down from measurement and not calculation. Do you leave any room at all for something, which is reported as ancient historical text, to be very close but not absolute? If you watched the news, you would see that that World Trade Center towers were both an identical 110 Stories. But Tower 1 was 1,368 feet tall and tower two was 1,372 feet tall.... that's a four foot difference, but I've not once heard on the news that one was 110 Stories and the other was 110.3216374269005847953216374269 stories tall. Not even have I heard 110.3216, or even 110.3! For most people who aren't in the building trade and need absolutely exact construction details, 110 stories each is considered close enough. As it is with the basin in question.
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I'll give you this point. This number could have been just a round-off value. It could have been just an educated guess. I just find it odd that heathens and infidels around the world can get closer to the accepted value than the divinely inspired Xians.

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Something that could actually further your argument, but I hold out as curiosity, is that we don't know what is meant by brim. How thick were the walls of the vessel? It could have been 10 cubits from inner edge to inner edge. Add in wall thickness and perhaps the measurement could have been 10.25 or 10.5 cubits. If this were so, trying to calculate pi from this would give us an even smaller value.

There is even more conjecture one could make. Was the vessel cylindrical or conical? At what height was the measurement taken? If it were even SLIGHTLY conical and the measurement was taken beneath that absolute top edge, then the 30 could be correct and accurate! We just don't know!
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. The point is that they chose to use 3 as their value. It is close but no cigar...

 

[Ameesh]

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<< then slavery is ok, the crusades were justified, the inquization was legitimate, the sun revolves around the earth, women shouldnt be touched when on their period, child molesting priests should be defended, we would all live in fear because god is schizo who is sometimes forgiving and sometimes will burn you in a lake of fire, gays would be condemded or stoned and the constant pi is equal to exactly 3.
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Ameesh, he said God, not "bible" or "specific religion." For all we know it can be a God of a religion we've never heard of to be true... >>



When one capitalizes the "g" in God, it is assumed he/she is referring to the Xian God. That may not be the case in this post... >>




i was using that assumption.

 

[Ameesh]

<< then slavery is ok,

Show me where the Bible says slavery is ok. It DOES say that if one is found in that position and is a CHRISTIAN, then they should not rebel and fight but serve the "master" in the same way Jesus subordinated himself as example for us.
so you expect that slaves should be crucified and put to death?

the crusades were justified,

Who says? That's like saying that since Hitler was a evolutionist, that evolutionists support Nazism. Just because someone does something "in the name" of something, that doesn't mean that it TRULY reflects the thing they are doing it in the name of
this is the same tired argument, hes not a real christian, blah blah blah...

the inquization was legitimate,
See post above
see above post


the sun revolves around the earth,
Suppose that you could get that from the Bible... but you could also get it from ancient Science.
science always leave room to correct itself and grow and if the scientific community is proven wrong the person who did it is appluaded not declared a heretic


women shouldnt be touched when on their period,
Laws written specifically to National Isreal and no one else. You got a problem with people having their own cultural taboos?
its in the bible, people in the states apply it to their lives even the women (which is the sickest part)

child molesting priests should be defended,
Hmmm... on single denomination. Has no bearing on whether or not GOD exists.
the pope said so, god is a product of religion and the pope is the head of the religion (catholics)


we would all live in fear because god is schizo who is sometimes forgiving and sometimes will burn you in a lake of fire,
Where do you get that He is sometimes forgiving? All who ask for forgiveness are forgiven. If your heart is hard, don't blame Him!
the bible is full of contradictions it says he is forgive and merceful yet it also says you should fear his wrath.


gays would be condemded or stoned,
Another law that was specifically given to the ancient nation of Israel and has no bearing on anyone else.
again, if its in the bible it applys to christians



the constant pi is equal to exactly 3
Only if you go to the extreme that you want people 4000 years ago to be able to measure with laser perfection. Show me in Scripture where God is quoted as saying that pi = 3.

read 1 Kings 7:23




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[Atlantean]

what if? well then the rest of the people will go to hell cause they didn't believe in god. I guess we will all find out when we die.

 

[Dedpuhl]

<< what if? well then the rest of the people will go to hell cause they didn't believe in god. I guess we will all find out when we die. >>



Yep. We will know when we are worm food...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

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agreed

Nik