What if BD turns out to be FASTER than 2600K?

[Rvenger]

unlike Intel who changes it everytime!

Yeah, Socket 478 and LGA775 lasted 1 generation.

 

[Accord99]

Will all of the die-hard Intel fanbois consider switching to the industry's first native consumer 8-core chip?

What if 2600K turns out to have higher throughput than BD, will AMD fanbois stop comparing core counts and trumpeting BD's 1.8X throughput boost from the second core versus Hyperthreading's 1.2X boost with two threads.

And also come to the realization that Intel cores have gotten so powerful that a single HT-ed SB core already has almost as much throughput as two AMD K10 cores of the same clockspeed combined.

 

[StrangerGuy]

What if 2600K turns out to have higher throughput than BD, will AMD fanbois stop comparing core counts and trumpeting BD's 1.8X throughput boost from the second core versus Hyperthreading's 1.2X boost with two threads.

And also come to the realization that Intel cores have gotten so powerful that a single HT-ed SB core already has almost as much throughput as two AMD K10 cores of the same clockspeed combined.

The same AMD fanboys are wasting their money on AM3+ boards and slow Phenom IIs just to wait for BD.

 

[RobDickinson]

I'm no intel fanboi. I've run AMD's in the past from the k2's- athlons to K7s etc.

As a performance option AMD have frankly missed 2011 of their calender. So much so Intel are sitting back admiring the view and pushing IB back further into 2012.

It doesnt matter if BD is faster than SNB/2600k. Intel already has sold so many they must be making extra space under their xmas trees for the bonuses. A good product too late is as bad as a bad product.

All the while intel has perfomancein hand with SNB if they need it (more cores, more clock) and IB in the back room waiting.

 

[exar333]

No, the guys who bought Intel CPUs - I prefer to call them this way - will not switch to the new BD because they are already running faster machines than the guys who bought AMD CPUs and if they will want to ugrade they will do so with SB-E or with Ivy Bridge next year. On the other hand, the guys who are waiting to upgrade to BD and who lost almost a year just because they do not want to switch to a better processor which is made by a company they hate, will probably feel very well when BD will prove that it can compete with an Intel chip launched almost a year ago.

Yup. Lots of fools around. A true enthusiast cares about performance, not just the company that makes it.

 

[exar333]

i think if BD is faster and is at a nice price, id go for it since AMD doesnt mess around with the socket...unlike Intel who changes it everytime!

except i love intel

*ahem* Exactly where will AM3+ be next year? Gone... Thats a LONG life!!!

 

[dma0991]

We will just have to wait and see if it is a success or a flop. Based on the never ending delays and somewhat believable leaked benches I am thinking it is more of the latter. I have already listed 4 prerequisites for BD to accomplish and if they can't meet them then I'd be getting myself a SB or a SB refresh as IB seems to be delayed as well.

I've given AMD the benefit of a doubt for nearly a year and if they can't deliver within this month then I'm giving my money to Intel.

 

[frozentundra123456]

No, the fanbois will then manufacture other excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.



No, the fanbois will then manufacture other excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.



We all can dream. But if Bulldozer is faster, only "enthusiasts" will appreciate what AMD has done. Intel fans will.... make excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.

Your not the only one that hope for the best.... I for one, hope it is "equal to or greater than".

Regardless, Ive been running Intel for the last handful of years, and wanting to try AMD again.

AMD has been great before, and AMD has played second fiddle before as well. It is possible.....AMD can pull this off.

Probable ? We dont know yet, but it is possible.

Intel "fans" dont need to do anything to put AMD in a negative light. AMD has already done that.

 

[sandorski]

i dont think many will switch regardless of the speed of bd. most people buy intel primarily for stability and compatibility, not speed. what do you think the chances are that, with a whole new architecture, there doesnt turn out to be some serious bug in the platform when it first comes out? i wouldnt buy bd for at least 6 months after it comes out but by then intels new stuff will be out

They are clueless.

 

[amenx]

No, the fanbois will then manufacture other excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.



No, the fanbois will then manufacture other excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.



We all can dream. But if Bulldozer is faster, only "enthusiasts" will appreciate what AMD has done. Intel fans will.... make excuses to keep AMD from being viewed in a positive light.

Thats the position of the most hardened fanbois on the planet, the folks at AMDZone - unrealistic, cynical and conspiracy minded. The "Intel fanboys" you speak of were all in the AMD camp in K8 days, simply because they recognized a superior product when it existed. Since Conroe, the tables reversed for the same reason. Many in the Zone claimed it was a conspiracy by SPIntel shills and paid reviewers. And they stood their ground and embraced their 'superior Barcelonas'. :sneaky:

If BD turns ut to be faster than SB by the same margins SB currently is over Thuban, you can bet there will be a sea change with enthusiasts that will trickle down far and wide on the hardware scene. Hell, if it even matches SB, it can win many converts, incl yours truly just to show appreciation for the effort.

 

[subtraction]

The last time (and only time) I purchased an AMD cpu was back in 2004 when I was a foul mouthed pimple faced 1337 speaking 14 year old that had saved up enough coin from mowing lawns, and I built my first pc utilizing an Athlon 64 3200+.

That feels like forever ago so yeah it seems to have been a while since AMD had a winner on the cpu front. My gut feeling unfortunately is that BD is going to flop, but I do certainly hope that is incorrect.

 

[Grooveriding]

Last AMD CPU I owned was an A64 3500+. Since then there has been nothing compelling from them to use their CPUs, at least from the standpoint of what I like to put in my rig.

Intel still has nothing new out that I can see improving on my current rig. So I am waiting on their 2011 socket to upgrade. If AMD somehow throws a hail mary and gets a touchdown and can trump whatever Intel has on 2011, I'd try it just for something new. Don't see it happening though.

Hopefully they can just match SB stock and overclocked performance and be able to sell their chips cheaper than Intel. That alone would be impressive. Still wouldn't switch though. Would have to be faster.

 

[Riek]

Nope. No games support more than 4 cores so 4 Bulldozer cores are slower than 4 Intel cores which means Bulldozer is slower than Intel.

ermmmm
according to the rumoured clocks BD has the biggest advantage in 3-4 threads!
for 1-2 they are in the worst place.
1-2 threads -> 400-500 clockadvantage

3-4 threads -> 600-800 clock advantage

Also we have no id on performance so what are you babbling about?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Then there will be much rejoicing.

 

[SonicIce]

theyll still buy intel anyway, remember p4?

 

[CHADBOGA]

Thats the position of the most hardened fanbois on the planet, the folks at AMDZone - unrealistic, cynical and conspiracy minded.

Yes, the turds at AMDZone are a blight to computing enthusiasts everywhere. D:

 

[Ancalagon44]

Honestly? I really dont care anymore, I'll buy whichever is the best value for money.

AMD's execs focus solely on the bottom line and what it would mean to leak benchmarks or some other performance indication. They forget that their inaction and delayed release cycle has already cost them many, many customers, and BD benchmarks might gain them customers who would wait. But no, its only a sales pipeline stall that matters. cant see the wood for the trees.

I hope BD is good for competition sake, but I really dont care anymore.

 

[3DVagabond]

CPU's sell every single day. You can't stem the sale of CPU's by your competition by releasing benches of your next latest and greatest product without doing the same thing to yourself. Today, you concentrate on what you have to sell today. You will worry about selling BD when you have it to sell. If it's good and something people want then they will buy it. Releasing benches of a future product today won't positively affect today's sales or tomorrow's.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I disagree - if I had to buy a CPU right now, I would buy an Intel, because I'm not convinced BD is worth waiting for. Many people have done the same and made exactly the same choice.

Besides - it wont really stall sales. Its only, ahem, elite users like us that really know anything about CPU performance and future CPUs. Your average consumer will not have a clue. Remember back in the day when the A64 was faster than the P4? What effect did that have on sales?

By the time BD comes on sale, lots of people have already spent their upgrade cycle on an Intel CPU.

 

[AtenRa]

By the time BD comes on sale, lots of people have already spent their upgrade cycle on an Intel CPU.

And many more haven't,

If it was like you say, then Intel would have stop producing more CPUs because most of the people they wanted to buy a CPU they would already have, don't thing so

How many SB's have been sold until now ?? 10-20 million ?? maybe 30-40 ?? i believe there are much more people than that, that they will some day buy a new PC or upgrade there PC in the near or distant future. Some will buy Intel and others will buy AMD.

 

[Ancalagon44]

Delaying the release of either benchmarks or the actual CPUs just increases the time that Intel is dominant. When BD is released, if it is good, it will impact Intel's sales. Releasing benchmarks now would have the same effect. Yes, someone who owns an SB now might still buy a BD later - again if it is good. The point is, if benchmarks are released now, more people might be willing to buy BD now. They may be AMD again in the future. Thats good from a cash flow point of view, and remember AMD will launch BD at a premium price (again only if it is good) and they want as many people as possible to pay the premium price. If those people have already bought SB, then even if they buy BD later, AMD will have likely dropped the price by then.

 

[BlueBlazer]

Delaying the release of either benchmarks or the actual CPUs just increases the time that Intel is dominant. When BD is released, if it is good, it will impact Intel's sales. Releasing benchmarks now would have the same effect.

The thing is, the delays itself is the problem. With no dates or launch schedules (and even the likelihood of Bulldozer not making it to the market in time), more people are likely to opt for Intel chips when planning the next upgrade. Right now, AMD is not creating any future demands for its chips with silence and broken roadmaps. Another negative effect is that Intel can sit back and delay their next generation as well (somehow I think Intel already knows quite a bit about Bulldozer, from system OEMs and motherboard manufacturers). :hmm:

 

[GaiaHunter]

I disagree - if I had to buy a CPU right now, I would buy an Intel, because I'm not convinced BD is worth waiting for. Many people have done the same and made exactly the same choice.

Besides - it wont really stall sales. Its only, ahem, elite users like us that really know anything about CPU performance and future CPUs. Your average consumer will not have a clue. Remember back in the day when the A64 was faster than the P4? What effect did that have on sales?

By the time BD comes on sale, lots of people have already spent their upgrade cycle on an Intel CPU.

If you had to buy a computer today it wouldn't matter if there were benchmarks out or not - there are no BD to buy so you would buy something else regardless, since you had to buy it today.

If you could stall your buy due to available benchmarks, you don't really need to buy a new CPU today, would you?

The people that buy computers just because, are also likely to buy a BD just because it is a new different toy to play with it, especially if it is a decent performer.

AMD problem is lack of BD out, not lack of benchmarks for a product they aren't ready to launch.

 

[tulx]

No games support more than 4 cores

That is not true. Most (if not all) games support more than four cores, if you force the affinity. Some games are even optimized for more than four cores, but not many.

 

[exar333]

Yes, the turds at AMDZone are a blight to computing enthusiasts everywhere. D:

That's not far from the truth. There is not a lot of usefulness out of a bunch of people patting each other on the back, and constantly harping on another company they are 'against'.

The same goes for a majority of company-focused computer forums.