What has happened to the Israeli army?

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
You misunderstand Aisengard,

Its only if you pre-decide that arabs and Israelies can't make peace that this draconiam measure of moving 6+ million people becomes NECESSARY.---or do you prefer moving many many many more times that many arabs. If one or the other group has to go----which group----one or the other---choose wisely---choose pragmatically. Its would be a giant injustice either way.

But this can't go on and on and on forever----rocket technology has raised the stakes----and now the buffer zone Isreal needs to assure their safety has just increased by at least 60 miles in every direction with todays technology---soon that zone will have to be far bigger----can't you think ahead to a future based on present trend lines?

Of course their is that other radical solution----Israel getting real and starting to acknowledge their faults also---and its actually possible for an Israelie and an Arab to work side by side in building a better mid-east for all.-------and yes Israel will have to finally acknowledge the right to return----and I ask you Aisengard---what to you say to the millions of living Palistinians-----is your line its just not your land anymore----wander off into the desert and die---your death is necessary so Israel can enjoy the basic human rights they deny you?

lemon Law do you read or study history(?) or do you make it up as you go?
Uou keep spouting a phrase "right to return"....return to what may i add?
When israel became a nation they did not boot anybody out of or off there land.
Those who left did so voluntarily.
In fact israel has never told the arabs living in Israel to leave.
if you are trying to use that term in reference to who owned the land before israel became a nation you are SOL. Again you ned to read some history of the region and understand what has transpired.

I seriously believe that you would rather make up your own history or give your own spin on what is happenning in the middle east rather than read and understand the history of ther region.

You see one thing needs to happen and i am simplifying this quite a bit for you.
One thing needs to happen -- the arab world needs to recognize israel`s right to exist. Thats plain and simple. All the fighting would cease if that would happen.

yet we know no matter how lovey dovey you believe things could become, there will never be peace in that region.

shalom!

 

[Aisengard]

IrateLeaf: I think he's talking about the Arabs that were booted off of like the West Bank and the Gaza Strip after the 1967 war...which Arab countries started.

 

[IrateLeaf]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
IrateLeaf: I think he's talking about the Arabs that were booted off of like the West Bank and the Gaza Strip after the 1967 war...which Arab countries started.

Even if he is. There is no right to return.
What line is Lemon law trying to feed us hook line a nd sinker.
land won in a war goes to the victor.
Most of the time the victor allows those who live there to continue living there.
If not - there must have been a good reason!
Simple and true.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Aisengard
Just because you repeat it three times doesn't make it so, Lemon Law. I don't see Palestinians claiming "injustices" to their people when they kidnap journalists, or make their soapbox arguments against Israel's existence.

Face it, your 'discrimination' arguments, while somewhat valid in some cases, are VASTLY overblown, and does not in ANY way excuse the terrorist actions of these Arabs against Israel. If you actually read the wikipedia article, it says there's actually a pretty well-off Arab Israeli middle class, and they have several high-ups in the government, INCLUDING a supreme court justice. Plus, the Supreme Court is telling Israel to stop whatever minor acts of injustices may occur here and there. Hardly proof for a so-called 'bigoted' state.

I don't see why you can't face it - Israel is the most progressive democracy in the entire Middle East. When compared to any other Middle Eastern country in terms of most anything, Israel comes out on top. Is it because they aren't dedicated to the destruction of a people and/or a country? You decide!

EDIT: Also, if you want to play the 'income' card, let's compare. What is the average income of Mexican immigrants compared to whites in America? Or black people for that matter? Does that prove America is a horrifically bigoted state and is not long for this world?

Your arguments are BS. I'm calling you on it now.

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So Aisengard ---my arguments are BS and you are calling me out.

I will even concede you may be right----but time and only time will tell.

I have told you why I think certain events will happen unless Israel changes its tune--you say they will not occur.----neither of us will have it exactly right----but I still say I will be the one judged the most accurate predictor. Certain wrongs can be defused while wrongs too long delayed can only be paid in blood.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well Irate Leaf----who says NOTHING WILL CHANGE.

Guess what----something has ALREADY changed----you had rockets----and now the TERRORISTS HAVE ROCKETS ALSO.

I don't know about you-----but I think thats a BIG change.-----and a huge escalalation.

But to get your peace it will be on two terms-----Israel must finally recognize the right to return and the arab must recognize the right for Israel to exist----both are necessary!

If Israel does not recognize the right to return---the next question is where in the world does the nation of Israel intend to pack up and move to?

I don't understand what's your issue with rockets. It's just another temporary technological advancement that can be countered by technological measures - ever heard of MTHEL?

Israel is widening the technological gap with its adversaries.

Again, Israel will fight until death and will not allow the right of return. Never, ever. If the Palestinians rather die for it, then so be it - but Israel CAN NOT and WILL NOT allow such thing to happen.

Don't forget that Israel IS a nuclear state and you can't just move these, at least, not without moving the entire ME with it.

 

[Doboji]

Right now it looks like Resolution 1701 only applies to Israel, all the stuff in there about unconditional release of the kidnapped soldiers, disarming of Hezbollah... Movement of the Lebanese Army into S Lebanon all looks to be ignored by the Arabs. How can anyone in the world see this as even remotely acceptable?

The UN is a joke, and worse is an enemy of Israel... and they put themselves forward as a force for good in the world? BS... they're just as bad as Hezbollah themselves.

-Max

 

[MadRat]

Hezbollah is not the Arabs. They are the Shia Muslim militia forces. All of these people can be any number of different ethnic groups, including Arab.