What happens to a 7 month old w/acid reflux?

RightIsWrong

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This is reason #4,684,293 why insurance companies run solely to turn as much profit as they can at any expense should not be in the business of making medical decisions.

When profit is the primary motive, the result is predetermined....failure of care for the patient. And yet people on this board still say the health care rankings are a statistical lie because they include those without insurance. No wonder we have dropped more and more as insurers have gained more and more power over medical decisions.

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In May, W.M. Nzambi and his wife brought into the world a girl. A healthy one.

Good thing, too -- it had never occurred to them that their baby might not be eligible for the family's health plan. But for a few months this year, Highmark Inc. was screening newborns for pre-existing conditions to determine eligibility for direct-pay health care plans.

"Luckily, my baby girl is as healthy as could be," said Mr. Nzambi, a financial planner. "This is a pretty tremendous difference from the policy of old."

Like many of America's self-employed -- and like many who work for someone else, but whose company doesn't offer health care -- Mr. Nzambi buys his insurance directly from the insurance company, in this case Highmark, Pittsburgh's dominant health insurer.

For the first 31 days after birth, as per federal law, a newborn's care is covered under the parents' insurance as long as the baby is going to be added as a dependent to the parents' health plan. Within the first month, the parents have to add the newborn's name to the existing contract, and in the case of Highmark's direct-pay family plans, a baby is supposed to slide over unconditionally, receiving continuous coverage.

But on April 1, Highmark began screening newborns for "pre-existing" health conditions before they could be added to their parents' policy. As a result, seven families, according to Highmark, were told that their babies wouldn't be eligible for health insurance under the lower-premium direct-pay plan.

Instead, they would be offered a far more expensive "guaranteed issue" plan, which doesn't require health screenings.

"This is really an issue where Highmark has to ask itself, 'Does this decision fall in line with the kind of community character that Highmark has always had?'" Mr. Nzambi said.

It seems that Highmark has already asked itself that question. The policy was a mistake -- an "operational policy error," in the words of Highmark spokesman Leilyn Perri.

Highmark would not say where, exactly, the operational error lay. Was the implementation of the policy itself somehow an accident? Or was the policy put into place correctly, but judged to be a mistake only in retrospect, once Highmark considered its ramifications?

"I've said all I can," Mr. Perri said.

Highmark said it had contacted the families whose newborns were rejected and offered them continuous coverage. The newborn-screening policy was rescinded July 14, at least with regard to those particular direct-pay health plans.

Other newborns must still be screened, though, with Highmark as well as other insurers. It's the same thing that adults go through when they're dropped by one insurer and are trying to pick up individual coverage through another company, but people with employer-paid plans often don't realize it can happen to babies, too. Insurers want the policy to reflect the risk of payout, and one way to judge the risk is by kicking the tires before underwriting the policy.

Cecilia Kownacki found out the hard way. The denial letter from Highmark arrived last month: "Dear Ms. Kownacki: [We] are sorry to inform you that your application does not meet our underwriting criteria for approval," the letter said.

She took the news in stride, with good humor, perhaps because she was expecting the rejection, perhaps because that's her natural disposition, but more likely because she is only 7 months old.

Her parents, Frank and Susan Kownacki, were considerably more distraught. Their baby daughter was uninsured, starting Friday.

"When we got the rejection letter," said Mrs. Kownacki, of the North Side, "I was in tears."

Mrs. Kownacki's issue is different than Mr. Nzambi's. Whereas Mr. Nzambi had a family plan, the Kownackis were trying to secure an individual plan for Cecilia, moving her away from her father's Highmark plan, which was expiring.

But whether you're 70 years old or 7 months young, when you move away from one plan and try to enroll in an individual plan, you can be subject to health screenings if you want to enjoy a low-premium policy.

Cecilia failed her screening.

The condition?

Acid reflux -- in a baby, this amounts to spitting up a lot, an inability to fully digest milk.

"Of our patients, I'd say 10 percent of kids have it," said Dr. Mary Pagnotto, Cecilia's pediatrician. "It is unfortunate. She's a very healthy child, who has a very routine illness."

Routine or not, because of the illness, she could not be underwritten for Highmark's DirectBlue individual plan, which would have cost $150 or so per month. Instead, Cecilia was referred to one of Highmark's high-deductible plans, which don't require medical testing.

But that would have cost more than $400 a month.

The reason she needs an individual plan in the first place is because Mr. Kownacki is a self-employed contractor and Mrs. Kownacki's workplace, an ad firm, doesn't offer family plans.

Before last week, Cecilia had been covered under her father's university plan, for which he was eligible because he was working toward a master's degree. But his plan, and the child's, expired July 31.

Coincidentally, it was Highmark that had insured the child under her father's plan. Then, after Highmark rejected Cecilia's application for an individual plan, the Kownackis turned to the state's Children's Health Insurance Program, which just so happens to count Highmark among its local vendors. The CHIP plan, administered through Highmark and subsidized by the state, will cost about $165 monthly, but it won't kick in until Sept. 1.

For a month, Cecilia's medical costs -- if she has any --will be paid in full, out of pocket.

"It really is an anathema to us to have to get state assistance. We really feel uncomfortable about that," Mrs. Kownacki said.
 

Slew Foot

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Insurance companies acting like scummy douchebags? Tell me something I didnt know.

Just like politicians.
 

Dari

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While greed breeds innovation and efficiency, health insurance should not be a business, imho. I've never really looked into the different national health plans in Europe, Japan or Canada, but I think there needs to be a better way than what we currently have here.
 

Double Trouble

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Health insurance in this country is completely borked. Between the lobbyists, the big corporations, the socialists and crooked politicians, we're all sold down the river......
 

SoundTheSurrender

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I paid 350 bucks for insurance from my college. I went to the doctor to get to get my keloids pushed down and they denied me because of a pre-existing condition. It sucks.
 

Throckmorton

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The private health insurance system just makes no sense for the wellbeing of a country's citizenry :(
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The private health insurance system just makes no sense for the wellbeing of a country's citizenry :(


Makes more sense then letting a corrupt government take care of it. A government who has managed to screw up everything they have touched in the last 20 years. A government who has already screwed up its chance at health care in medicare and medicaid. A government who is going to bankrupt social security. A government who let the infrastructor of this country go to hell.

Things need to change but US government run health care is not the answer but a nightmare.
 

babylon5

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"USA has the best health care in the world, #1 USA, USA, USA chanting" starts in 3, 2, 1....
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The private health insurance system just makes no sense for the wellbeing of a country's citizenry :(

What we have today is definitely NOT "free market" health care.

Everyone wants to talk about how to "fix" the health care problem, but none of those talking have any idea why it is broken in the first place.
 

Wreckem

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Well if parents wouldnt continually take their babies to the hospital over acid-reflux this wouldnt be a problem.

Why should the ins. co's eat thousands of dollars per baby. Most babies get acid reflux(the 10% number in the article is bs), and most parents rush their kid to the ER for no good reason because of it.

Maybe I am cold hearted but insurance companies shouldnt be forced to cover newborns that are born with various conditions. A private company shouldnt be FORCED to eat thousands of dollars because you think they should.

The baby denied because of acid-reflux would likely be eligible later as it gets older and the condition goes away.
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: babylon5
"USA has the best health care in the world, #1 USA, USA, USA chanting" starts in 3, 2, 1....

It does, some people would rather pay for video games and BMWs than top notch health care though.
 

Chaotic42

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Here's a counter anecdote:

I went to the doctor, got put in the hospital overnight, had multiple IVs, and got a camera run down my throat. The whole thing was $20 thanks to my health insurance.

 
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Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: babylon5
"USA has the best health care in the world, #1 USA, USA, USA chanting" starts in 3, 2, 1....

It does, some people would rather pay for video games and BMWs than top notch health care though.

And what about people who don't buy video games, can't afford BMW's, and are living in the lower income bracket of society?
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Here's a counter anecdote:

I went to the doctor, got put in the hospital overnight, had multiple IVs, and got a camera run down my throat. The whole thing was $20 thanks to my health insurance.

yeap. my insurance is great.


when my daughter was born she had acid reflux and having siezures. they covered it fully.

only problem we had was they (at first) wanted us to drive 10 hours for her doctor. We complained and faught with insurance. finally her doctor (at chicago's childrens hospital) got involved and the relented. though we still were driving to chicago nearly daily.

other then that (and other very minor thigns. they uped my physical therapy to $30 a visit) they have been great.


i have a feeling a huge lawsuit (many of them) will hit the isnurance company.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The private health insurance system just makes no sense for the wellbeing of a country's citizenry :(


Makes more sense then letting a corrupt government take care of it. A government who has managed to screw up everything they have touched in the last 20 years. A government who has already screwed up its chance at health care in medicare and medicaid. A government who is going to bankrupt social security. A government who let the infrastructor of this country go to hell.

Things need to change but US government run health care is not the answer but a nightmare.

So what IS the answer then? Anybody can complain, but considering that health care has been an increasingly major problem for years, I don't think "things need to change" is going to cut it any more.

While the government might not be a the perfect solution, the advantage is that the voters can exercise more direct control over government funded health care than we can over incredibly huge health insurance companies that don't give a damn if you live or die.

Now maybe you disagree with that, if so, propose something better...our current system is not working all that hot.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Here's a counter anecdote:

I went to the doctor, got put in the hospital overnight, had multiple IVs, and got a camera run down my throat. The whole thing was $20 thanks to my health insurance.

Yeah, but not everyone has your health insurance. And argument by anecdote doesn't really work here anyways, assuming you think that health care is one of those things that should work well for everyone. A patient who receives excellent affordable care does not balance out a patient who doesn't receive needed care because he or she has the "wrong" insurance.
 

Slew Foot

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: babylon5
"USA has the best health care in the world, #1 USA, USA, USA chanting" starts in 3, 2, 1....

It does, some people would rather pay for video games and BMWs than top notch health care though.

And what about people who don't buy video games, can't afford BMW's, and are living in the lower income bracket of society?

They can save up for the best care (just like they can save up for the best house, car, tv, etc..), or they can use some of the numerous free or low cost services available.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
The private health insurance system just makes no sense for the wellbeing of a country's citizenry :(


Makes more sense then letting a corrupt government take care of it. A government who has managed to screw up everything they have touched in the last 20 years. A government who has already screwed up its chance at health care in medicare and medicaid. A government who is going to bankrupt social security. A government who let the infrastructor of this country go to hell.

Things need to change but US government run health care is not the answer but a nightmare.

So what IS the answer then? Anybody can complain, but considering that health care has been an increasingly major problem for years, I don't think "things need to change" is going to cut it any more.

While the government might not be a the perfect solution, the advantage is that the voters can exercise more direct control over government funded health care than we can over incredibly huge health insurance companies that don't give a damn if you live or die.

Now maybe you disagree with that, if so, propose something better...our current system is not working all that hot.


You and the american public don't want to hear the real answer. The real answer is everything needs to be overhauled. It starts with the american public it means eating better and physical activity. People are in such poor health no system can work until that changes. It is just costs to much to treat the diseases of those morbidly obese. It means quit letting illness linger and go to the doctor to get it taken care of instead of waiting a few weeks and going to the ER at 2am.

It means health care providers need to change its model. It means opening more quick care type places. I am taking about places like this http://www.slhduluth.com/clini...alties-services/qcare/ . It is a win win for 75% of conditions people need treatment for. There is no doctor so the cost is much lower. The patient/insurance pays much less and the provider makes more money. That and it is convient for the patient these places are in grocery stores and other high traffic places.

It means insurance companies need to change its model. They need to be proactive on prevenative care. That means offering yearly cancer/heart/diabetes ect screenings. They also need to go electrionic on 100% of claims instead of the slow wastefull paper claims.

It means closing the boarder down and deporting those illegals. The second we offer UHC there will be a flood across the boarder for health care.

If all those things can happen then we can just use that medicare/medicaid money to purchase private insurance for people with out coverage.


There is no single solution but the medicare/medicaid model is not it.
 

fallout man

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That little sweet child deserved it!

This is America. I didn't watch my buddies die face-down in the rocky-road sundaes so that some happy-go-lucky cry-baby with the hiccups would drive up my insurance premium! Typical big-hearted liberal, with no teeth. Always wanting something for nothing--trying to suck everything they can from the teet of those better-off!

Here's a wake-up call, baby--GET A WELL PAYING JOB so you can afford your own insurance!

Gentle libtards.
 

Chaotic42

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Yeah, but not everyone has your health insurance. And argument by anecdote doesn't really work here anyways, assuming you think that health care is one of those things that should work well for everyone. A patient who receives excellent affordable care does not balance out a patient who doesn't receive needed care because he or she has the "wrong" insurance.

It's the same as anything else though. Smart shopping for insurance can be a big help, along with getting what you pay for. Bluntly, safety and good health cost money. I pay for my awesome insurance by making less money than I would otherwise. Unless you want to start mandating that people get into shape, stop smoking, and stop suing doctors as much, health costs won't go down, which will keep insurance costs up.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: fallout man
That little sweet child deserved it!

This is America.

I didn't watch my buddies die face-down in the rocky-road sundaes so that some happy-go-lucky cry-baby with the hiccups would drive up my insurance premium!

That's right. The little bastard should be executed as weak and a drain on society immediately.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
Originally posted by: babylon5
"USA has the best health care in the world, #1 USA, USA, USA chanting" starts in 3, 2, 1....

It does, some people would rather pay for video games and BMWs than top notch health care though.

And what about people who don't buy video games, can't afford BMW's, and are living in the lower income bracket of society?
Actually here in MA they get better service than those of us who have forsaken the BMW's to get Health Ins.