What happens if the health care bill fails?

[boomerang]

Back to the drawing board?
Throw their hands up in disgust and walk away from it?
Do they start devoting a year to jobs creation?
Rioting in the streets?
Will the takeover of student loans still be pursued?
Will reforms be put in place for Medicare/Medicaid?

I think they'll drop it. It's pretty obvious it's been a my way or the highway process from the get-go. There'll be no compromises with those that are not as enlightened.

The elections are looming and all efforts will be devoted to that IMO. We'll continue to get lip service about this and that in the interim.

A "what happens if the health care bill passes" would be interesting too.

 

[Fern]

Well, hopefully since just about everybody sees the need for HC reform they'll go back to the drawing baord and be able to get it done in a bipartisan manner. Hopefully it will be at least a somewhat decent bill too.

Fern

 

[boomerang]

Well, hopefully since just about everybody sees the need for HC reform they'll go back to the draing baord and be able to get it done in a bipartisan manner. Hopefully it will be at least a somewhat decent bill too.

Fern

I agree about the need. We'll see if this bunch can grow up and learn to play nice together in the same sandbox.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Nothing will happen for years, except for insurance companies wearing party hats and holding sparklers while they bend us over even further.

 

[theamericans075]

Well, hopefully since just about everybody sees the need for HC reform they'll go back to the drawing baord and be able to get it done in a bipartisan manner. Hopefully it will be at least a somewhat decent bill too.

Fern

Hahahahaha Democrats have tried to add practically every republican idea in moderation. Allowing limited cross-state competition by pooling states, including some tort reform, tax-free savings accounts... Republicans have no interest in compromise, they are nothing but obstructionists.

Though in this case, at least they're obstructing a good thing, even though it's for the wrong reasons.

 

[Fern]

Hahahahaha Democrats have tried to add practically every republican idea in moderation. Allowing limited cross-state competition by pooling states, including some tort reform, tax-free savings accounts... Republicans have no interest in compromise, they are nothing but obstructionists.

Though in this case, at least they're obstructing a good thing, even though it's for the wrong reasons.

I disagree (bolded part).

HC reform can be simply categorized as follows: (1) extending coverage, (2) cutting/controlling costs and (3) reforming HI.

Looks to me like we've got a bunch of #1, and not near enough of #2 & #3, in fact almost no #2.

Since everybody knows (or should) that he Repubs are focused on #2 it's painfuly obvious that the Dems haven't added in "practically every republican idea in moderation".

I think if/when the dems get even half-way serious about cutting/controlling costs they'll get more than enough Repub votes.

Fern

 

[theamericans075]

Yo these are the same republicans that suggested a bipartisan streamlined debt commission, and then filibustered it because democrats agreed with it.

 

[Patranus]

Nothing will happen for years, except for insurance companies wearing party hats and holding sparklers while they bend us over even further.

Ironic, considering the fact that the Democratic proposal does nothing to control costs yet it requires every American purchase a product from the insurance providers.

 

[theeedude]

Can someone please subtract 2006-1994 for me? That's how many years Republicans had to pass their own Health Care reforms in Congress, but decided to punt on the issue. So everyone who thinks Republicans have something to bring to the table on this issue but the Democrats are stopping them has not been paying attention.

 

[theamericans075]

Ironic, considering the fact that the Democratic proposal does nothing to control costs yet it requires every American purchase a product from the insurance providers.

So close to realizing this isn't a socialist bill at all and is anathema to any real socialist...

 

[Patranus]

So close to realizing this isn't a socialist bill at all and is anathema to any real socialist...

Who will be paying for this hand out to the insurance companies?
(Hint: Government handouts)

 

[theeedude]

As to what will happen if this bill fails? Same thing that happened since last bill failed, Republicans will do nothing to reform it, health care industry will be emboldened to get more brazen and suck up an ever increasing part of the economy, making US labor even more cost uncompetitive. When you are spending 20% + of your GDP to get worse health outcomes than what your competitors spend 10% of theirs to get, your economy has an anchor on its neck and is on evolutionary course of the Dodo bird.

 

[Danube]

Obama stalks America like Ahab stalked Moby Dick. He launches one harpoon after another and creates more problems. He's suffocating economy while trying to jam down health, cap/trade, immigration etc. People think Obama is just inexperienced but he seeks to crip the systems. Pervasive dysfunction creates a need for centralized, authoritarian response - an opportunity in crisis for Obama and his gang. He would keep trying to force HC and making shakey deals and threats. Move-on, ACORN, SEIU are in the act raising millions, intimidating defiant pols, business people, voters etc. Obama is the anti-Lincoln in that he's trying to drive people and states apart (over 30 in process of blocking O'care). It's a disaster in the making.

 

[Carmen813]

There is a backup plan in the works. It doesn't expand coverage as much (would leave about 15 million uninsured). I haven't seen much other details.

 

[boomerang]

Can someone please subtract 2006-1994 for me? That's how many years Republicans had to pass their own Health Care reforms in Congress, but decided to punt on the issue. So everyone who thinks Republicans have something to bring to the table on this issue but the Democrats are stopping them has not been paying attention.

Yeah, we got it. Dem's good Repub's bad.

You get to rake the cat turds out of the sandbox. Your attitude is too bad to allow you to play.

 

[theamericans075]

Who will be paying for this hand out to the insurance companies?
(Hint: Government handouts)

Handouts to corporations is corporatism; corporate control of government is fascism (which we're pretty close to). This is not socialism damnit!

 

[Darwin333]

Nothing will happen for years, except for insurance companies wearing party hats and holding sparklers while they bend us over even further.

So what will they do if it passes? Hookers and blow along with the party hats and sparklers?

 

[blackangst1]

Hopefully back to the drawing board. I agree with Fern's assesment.

 

[JSt0rm]

we wont deal with it until the babyboomers are breaking medicare. At that point they will say its not their problem that their children and grandchildren don't have medical care. They will think about themselves until the last one is buried in a over sized funeral plot made with the very last marble mined from Antarctica.

fucking mexico has uhc for chris sakes.

 

[Hacp]

Hahahahaha Democrats have tried to add practically every republican idea in moderation. Allowing limited cross-state competition by pooling states, including some tort reform, tax-free savings accounts... Republicans have no interest in compromise, they are nothing but obstructionists.

Though in this case, at least they're obstructing a good thing, even though it's for the wrong reasons.

How about this idea, not from republicans but from conservatives. Stop giving health care to people who can't afford it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Dogs and cats will live together in sin.

 

[JSt0rm]

Dogs and cats will live together in sin.

But we will pass laws that will stop them from getting married.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

But we will pass laws that will stop them from getting married.

That can be the New Agenda.


Party saved!

 

[blackangst1]

we wont deal with it until the babyboomers are breaking medicare. At that point they will say its not their problem that their children and grandchildren don't have medical care. They will think about themselves until the last one is buried in a over sized funeral plot made with the very last marble mined from Antarctica.

fucking mexico has uhc for chris sakes.

Top quality care too!

 

[theeedude]

Yeah, we got it. Dem's good Repub's bad.

You get to rake the cat turds out of the sandbox. Your attitude is too bad to allow you to play.

No, I don't think you got it. Reps useless. Dems at least trying. You are obviously a Rep.