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What happened to the soldier who killed his commander in Kuwait with a grenade?

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He seems to have vanished off the face of the earth? Was he executed?

Does anyone know?
 
Interesting. It sounds like the Army doesnt have as solid as case as it would like. I hope in the end justice is served.
 
From what i've read they have a good case against him. The fact that the rifle on him did the shootings and he was hiding with it is enough. Who picks up a fired rifle and hides? Btw, theres no muslim issue in this case. He raised his hand to join.
 
Charged with two counts of murder and three counts of attempted or something like that (I guess I could read the link...). He is facing the military death penalty, and I would be very surprised if he didn't get it.
 
Originally posted by: AndrewR
Charged with two counts of murder and three counts of attempted or something like that (I guess I could read the link...). He is facing the military death penalty, and I would be very surprised if he didn't get it.
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In this case, I would certainly hope he gets it.
 
mmmmmm. unfortunatly I doubt he'll get death. I've read a decent amount about this being in the Army we get decent news on the case (occasionaly).

Remember the US kid that went over to afghanistan (sp?) to join the Taliban. That fugger shoulda been shot as a Traitor. The laws are quite clear, and he was guilty. Sgt. Ackbar should be shot too.


Also - I always get a chuckle thinking what If he joined the Navy and moved up in rank to Admiral.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
mmmmmm. unfortunatly I doubt he'll get death. I've read a decent amount about this being in the Army we get decent news on the case (occasionaly).

Remember the US kid that went over to afghanistan (sp?) to join the Taliban. That fugger shoulda been shot as a Traitor. The laws are quite clear, and he was guilty. Sgt. Ackbar should be shot too.


Also - I always get a chuckle thinking what If he joined the Navy and moved up in rank to Admiral.
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Yeah, but he was white though... let 'em go!
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: TallBill
mmmmmm. unfortunatly I doubt he'll get death. I've read a decent amount about this being in the Army we get decent news on the case (occasionaly).

Remember the US kid that went over to afghanistan (sp?) to join the Taliban. That fugger shoulda been shot as a Traitor. The laws are quite clear, and he was guilty. Sgt. Ackbar should be shot too.


Also - I always get a chuckle thinking what If he joined the Navy and moved up in rank to Admiral.
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Yeah, but he was white though... let 'em go!
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Also - I always get a chuckle thinking what If he joined the Navy and moved up in rank to Admiral.
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On topic, yes. The death penalty would be quite sufficient.
 
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab
Originally posted by: TallBill
mmmmmm. unfortunatly I doubt he'll get death. I've read a decent amount about this being in the Army we get decent news on the case (occasionaly).

Remember the US kid that went over to afghanistan (sp?) to join the Taliban. That fugger shoulda been shot as a Traitor. The laws are quite clear, and he was guilty. Sgt. Ackbar should be shot too.


Also - I always get a chuckle thinking what If he joined the Navy and moved up in rank to Admiral.
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Yeah, but he was white though... let 'em go!
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i know you guys hate those comments, but we all know its true. sorry.
 
Actually, they didn't kill him because he wasn't a member of the Military, and because some argue that we were not in a declared state of war. That a war against the Taliban wasn't enough. Akbar technically should be on a different level because he is in the Military and should be at a higher standard. Besides, he directly killed American military. The taliban guy only "aided" the enemie's cause.

Regardless of race, military background, or stupid racial comments I still think they should both die. A traitor should have a traitor's death.
 
I tend to think he will receive the death penalty, actually. The Army's justice system is slightly different than ours in the Air Force (although we share the same rules), in that they empanel standing court-martial panels, and the members (we don't call them jurors) assume that as their primary duty for months at a time (in the AF it is more of an ad hoc matter and it is unusual to have the same person sit on a number of courts in a short period). The upshot of this is that the members tend to get increasingly knowledgeable (and jaded IMO), and impose harsher and harsher sentences over time.

The death sentence is the only one in our military system that requires a unanimous vote (normally you only need a 2/3 majority, or 3/4 for a sentence of more than ten years in confinement - this rule tends to favor the defense because of the voting procedure employed). Perhaps for this reason, the death penalty is quite rare in the military - my recollection is that we only have 6 or 7 people on death row at Leavenworth. Perhaps the most memorable is a soldier who was stationed in Germany, and cut off the head of his wife's lover in broad daylight (actually he ended up having to kick it to get it all the way off), then brought it to her bedside (he incorrectly thought she was pregnant with the victim's baby), and showed it to her. Of course, he initially went into the wrong room, and showed it to a completely unrelated, presumably horrified woman.

Actually executing him will be a different matter - we haven't executed anyone since 1961.

I think it's silly to compare this soldier to John Walker Lindh. I am no fan of Lindh's, but he is a very young, naive man who simply switched sides. IMO his actions are analogous to a Japanese-American fighting for the US in WWII, and he had the misfortune to pick the losing side. Akbar's actions (if he is guilty) were premeditated murder of a number of commissioned officers in a combat zone. Realistically, military crimes just don't get much worse than this.
 
Not to question the obvious, but why did he do it?

You give someone a gun and get them really stressed and pissed off and bad things tend to happen...
 
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Not to question the obvious, but why did he do it?

You give someone a gun and get them really stressed and pissed off and bad things tend to happen...
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My recollection is that he was allegedly yelling something about how they were invading his land, or words to that effect, while he was shooting at them. Obviously he is of middle eastern descent, so it may be the case that he felt more allied with the enemy than with his own side. This is just conjecture, of course - he may well have just lost it. He had not been exposed to any combat at that point, so it seems improbable to me that this is somehow related to any kind of combat stress.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Actually, they didn't kill him because he wasn't a member of the Military, and because some argue that we were not in a declared state of war. That a war against the Taliban wasn't enough. Akbar technically should be on a different level because he is in the Military and should be at a higher standard. Besides, he directly killed American military. The taliban guy only "aided" the enemie's cause.

Regardless of race, military background, or stupid racial comments I still think they should both die. A traitor should have a traitor's death.
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Ahhh, but a traitor to who? One nations traitor is anothers ally.....
 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
Originally posted by: DeathByAnts
Not to question the obvious, but why did he do it?

You give someone a gun and get them really stressed and pissed off and bad things tend to happen...
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My recollection is that he was allegedly yelling something about how they were invading his land, or words to that effect, while he was shooting at them. Obviously he is of middle eastern descent, so it may be the case that he felt more allied with the enemy than with his own side. This is just conjecture, of course - he may well have just lost it. He had not been exposed to any combat at that point, so it seems improbable to me that this is somehow related to any kind of combat stress.
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Actually, I would think there would be quite a bit of stress. You sit around for weeks/months knowing you will be sent to a war zone where it is your own people fighting your own people. I would think that would generate just a bit of stress.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Actually, they didn't kill him because he wasn't a member of the Military, and because some argue that we were not in a declared state of war. That a war against the Taliban wasn't enough. Akbar technically should be on a different level because he is in the Military and should be at a higher standard. Besides, he directly killed American military. The taliban guy only "aided" the enemie's cause.

Regardless of race, military background, or stupid racial comments I still think they should both die. A traitor should have a traitor's death.
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John Walker Lindh is absolutely, 100% as guilty as any ethnic Afghan, Arab, or Pakistani Taliban fighter. He didn't 'aide' the enemy. Where did you get that from? He fought in Kashmir, and in Afghanistan. He converted to Islam, he lived in that region, where did you get that he 'aided' them? He shot, and probably killed people. He wasn't some young, confused midwestern american boy who got lost in Afghanistan.

If the others fried or are locked up in Cuba, his a55 needs to be there. If we can put Pakistanis of British citizenship there, we can put an American.

There is no reason for him to not be receiving the same treatement that they do.
 
I was just saying that he "aided" the taliban because from what I understand there were never actual counts of crimes he committed. I could be wrong. Also glad Don Vito chimed in. Figured he'd give good opinion. I'm better at just doing the arresting and letting other people figure it out 😛
 
Akbar, a Muslim soldier who joined the Army in 1998 after completing two bachelor's degrees at the University of California, Davis, is being held in isolation.
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Figures, he came from a UC school. He was educated in a U.S. hating, liberal environment, doesn't surprise me.
 
Originally posted by: SherEPunjab

John Walker Lindh is absolutely, 100% as guilty as any ethnic Afghan, Arab, or Pakistani Taliban fighter. He didn't 'aide' the enemy. Where did you get that from? He fought in Kashmir, and in Afghanistan. He converted to Islam, he lived in that region, where did you get that he 'aided' them? He shot, and probably killed people. He wasn't some young, confused midwestern american boy who got lost in Afghanistan.

If the others fried or are locked up in Cuba, his a55 needs to be there. If we can put Pakistanis of British citizenship there, we can put an American.

There is no reason for him to not be receiving the same treatement that they do.
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I dunno . . . what are those Taliban fighters "guilty" of? Fighting against an American invasion? I was 100% in support of Operation Enduring Freedom (hell, I served in it! - here I am in front of my deployed office tent - I had to leave on one day's notice so I did not have name tapes or a service badge for my first few weeks in theater), but I can't see how the Taliban fighters were committing any crime by fighting for their country.

By the same token, I tend to see Lindh as an expatriate American, whose actions are no different from those of any person who defects to another country, then fights in their military. I know Air Force members who are Iranian and Saudi nationals who came here and joined our service. If they in turn end up fighting against those countries and are captured as POWs, they will be traitors too. He is technically guilty of being a traitor, but I don't see it as the crime of the century. If I were in charge, I would probably have tried to terminate his citizenship (since he had renounced it), and deport him to the Muslim dictatorship of his choice. Of course, that's easier said than done, and I was not troubled by his prosecution. I would have been troubled by seeing him get the death penalty, however.
 
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