What happened to Battlefield?

[Josh7289]

Wow, what a change...for the worse. I never got around to buying the real game, but I have played the BF2 demo for hundreds of hours, and I really enjoyed playing it, no matter what was wrong with it technically. Naturally, I was pretty excited to download the BF2142 demo and give that a try. Man, was I in for a surprise.

I guess 2142 uses the same current engine as BF2 (with all the patches from the time the demo for BF2 was released until now), and the entire gameplay is much much worse. Now, more than ever, being without a vehicle is suicide in the utmost!

The first thing I noticed was sprinting. There seems to be a delay between the time I double tap W or hold Shift until I actually start running. This really hurts the immersion of the game. When I try to move a certain way, I expect it to happen instantly -- not after some delay. Later, I was trying to kill some guy on foot, so after going behind some cover and waiting until he came closer, I jumped out and pulled the trigger, but...NOTHING! I can't shoot while jumping?! WTF is this s***?!

Finally, I noticed that there is a considerable delay when switching between the various stand, crouch, and prone modes, so that kills the fun of avoiding vehicle fire and makes it very difficult. Also, I'm not sure if I noticed this or not, but can you still go prone while in the air or not? I wasn't sure if it worked or not when I was running away from a Walker...

Jeez...It's hard to believe I was actually going to buy BF2. If I do end up buying that game, I'd like to know if I can roll it back to an earlier patch, and if there are still servers for the older patches first. Can anyone tell me?

EA and DICE have really screwed up Battlefield. It seems that they just did whatever they could to make everyone perform equally, so good players are limited enough until they are equal to bad players. Great way to balance a game, idiots!

 

[spacelord]

I was surprised at how much BF2142 was like BF2. I hadn't read much about it, but expected more changes. It feels more like a fancy expansion pack.. and we all know how EA likes to charge alot for expansions.

 

[43st]

Disable 'camera shake' in the HUD menu, walking/running feels exactly like BF2 then. I was actually getting motion sick before I found this setting.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: spacelord
I was surprised at how much BF1942 was like BF2. I hadn't read much about it, but expected more changes. It feels more like a fancy expansion pack.. and we all know how EA likes to charge alot for expansions.

So you're saying that these terrible changes are the same in the current retail BF2?

Originally posted by: 43st
Disable 'camera shake' in the HUD menu, walking/running feels exactly like BF2 then. I was actually getting motion sick before I found this setting.

Really? Might as well try it, but this won't change the problems of "no jumping and shooting" and the delay in switching positions on the fly.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Wow, what a change...for the worse. I never got around to buying the real game, but I have played the BF2 demo for hundreds of hours, and I really enjoyed playing it, no matter what was wrong with it technically. Naturally, I was pretty excited to download the BF2142 demo and give that a try. Man, was I in for a surprise.

I guess 2142 uses the same current engine as BF2 (with all the patches from the time the demo for BF2 was released until now), and the entire gameplay is much much worse. Now, more than ever, being without a vehicle is suicide in the utmost!

The first thing I noticed was sprinting. There seems to be a delay between the time I double tap W or hold Shift until I actually start running. This really hurts the immersion of the game. When I try to move a certain way, I expect it to happen instantly -- not after some delay. Later, I was trying to kill some guy on foot, so after going behind some cover and waiting until he came closer, I jumped out and pulled the trigger, but...NOTHING! I can't shoot while jumping?! WTF is this s***?!

Finally, I noticed that there is a considerable delay when switching between the various stand, crouch, and prone modes, so that kills the fun of avoiding vehicle fire and makes it very difficult. Also, I'm not sure if I noticed this or not, but can you still go prone while in the air or not? I wasn't sure if it worked or not when I was running away from a Walker...

Jeez...It's hard to believe I was actually going to buy BF2. If I do end up buying that game, I'd like to know if I can roll it back to an earlier patch, and if there are still servers for the older patches first. Can anyone tell me?

EA and DICE have really screwed up Battlefield. It seems that they just did whatever they could to make everyone perform equally, so good players are limited enough until they are equal to bad players. Great way to balance a game, idiots!

Everything you mentioned was a BUG.. and this is not CS... we dont want those types of players playing BF...
all the patches were for the better making BF2 a very good game..

and eliminating the unrealistic morons that think this is quake or CS..
news flash there buddy.. soldiers cant do those things in real life.. so it was removed from the game..
if you were one of those types of people I'm glad you dont like 2142 cause without the CS kids it will be a much better game for us MILSIM peeps.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: Josh7289
Wow, what a change...for the worse. I never got around to buying the real game, but I have played the BF2 demo for hundreds of hours, and I really enjoyed playing it, no matter what was wrong with it technically. Naturally, I was pretty excited to download the BF2142 demo and give that a try. Man, was I in for a surprise.

I guess 2142 uses the same current engine as BF2 (with all the patches from the time the demo for BF2 was released until now), and the entire gameplay is much much worse. Now, more than ever, being without a vehicle is suicide in the utmost!

The first thing I noticed was sprinting. There seems to be a delay between the time I double tap W or hold Shift until I actually start running. This really hurts the immersion of the game. When I try to move a certain way, I expect it to happen instantly -- not after some delay. Later, I was trying to kill some guy on foot, so after going behind some cover and waiting until he came closer, I jumped out and pulled the trigger, but...NOTHING! I can't shoot while jumping?! WTF is this s***?!

Finally, I noticed that there is a considerable delay when switching between the various stand, crouch, and prone modes, so that kills the fun of avoiding vehicle fire and makes it very difficult. Also, I'm not sure if I noticed this or not, but can you still go prone while in the air or not? I wasn't sure if it worked or not when I was running away from a Walker...

Jeez...It's hard to believe I was actually going to buy BF2. If I do end up buying that game, I'd like to know if I can roll it back to an earlier patch, and if there are still servers for the older patches first. Can anyone tell me?

EA and DICE have really screwed up Battlefield. It seems that they just did whatever they could to make everyone perform equally, so good players are limited enough until they are equal to bad players. Great way to balance a game, idiots!

Everything you mentioned was a BUG.. and this is not CS... we dont want those types of players playing BF...
all the patches were for the better making BF2 a very good game..

and eliminating the unrealistic morons that think this is quake or CS..
news flash there buddy.. soldiers cant do those things in real life.. so it was removed from the game..
if you were one of those types of people I'm glad you dont like 2142 cause without the CS kids it will be a much better game for us MILSIM peeps.

so i can't jump and shoot a gun at the same time in real life? interesting. i'm pretty sure that can be done in real life. of course, it may not be accurate, but if its an automatic weapon, and you're close enough to the target, you may get a lucky hit. but considering that you can't hit the broad side of an aircraft carrier and it takes 3 clips to kill a guy with BF2s awful guns, i guess it wouldn't make much of a difference anyway.

 

[clamum]

Jumping around and shooting doesn't belong in a game like this. I'm glad they don't allow it. Play Quake deathmatch or Unreal Tournament 2004 deathmatch if that's what you're looking for.

 

[Josh7289]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
Everything you mentioned was a BUG.. and this is not CS... we dont want those types of players playing BF...
all the patches were for the better making BF2 a very good game..

and eliminating the unrealistic morons that think this is quake or CS..
news flash there buddy.. soldiers cant do those things in real life.. so it was removed from the game..
if you were one of those types of people I'm glad you dont like 2142 cause without the CS kids it will be a much better game for us MILSIM peeps.

Originally posted by: clamum
Jumping around and shooting doesn't belong in a game like this. I'm glad they don't allow it. Play Quake deathmatch or Unreal Tournament 2004 deathmatch if that's what you're looking for.

Since when was BF2 supposed to be realistic? Nothing in the game indicates as such. However, if you can, I'd like to be proven wrong.

In that sense, if you want to play a realistic military simulation, go somewhere else, like America's Army or something. On the other hand, BF2 is for those of us that just want to have fun playing a game with the unique qualities of a game like BF2.

Perhaps I could understand putting in an awful delay into the prone position changing, even though there was already a suitable delay, but to eliminate shooting while jumping? There's no way you can spin that into saying its better for the game. It may be better for the people who have no skill, but otherwise, it seriously hampers the fun of the game.

I'd really like to play a game like BF2, but in its current state, that just doesn't seem possible...

EDIT: Fixed some spacing.