What excuse can one possibly give for why power windows with auto-down can lack auto-up?

[StageLeft]

This is nuts and crazyness. I have a 2000 maxima with auto down and auto up. If you want the window to go down or up you press it like a normal one. If you want it to do all the way down or all the way up with a quick touch, you simply press a bit harder, there is a click, and it does the rest like magic.

My 2004 MPV has only the auto down. I was just in a 07 or 08 Hybrid Camry and same thing.

Now that I write it out, I bet it's some extremely retarded safety feature.

*tiny bonus rant* BTW, the Hybrid Camry is very interesting, I have to say I love its CV transmission in a big way, especially when pulling out to pass. However, its trunk is smaller than a purse, so it gets a bit fail. I realize batteries take up room, but paying thousands more and ending up with a trunk that barely holds a jug of milk is obscene. I can only assume that the smaller hybrids like the civic hybrid probably can only take sheets of paper in the trunk.

EDIT: I give my rant a 2/10, btw.

 

[iamwiz82]

There is a requirement for anti-pinch when you have auto-up windows.

 

[Vette73]

Auto down not rteally require any safety device/setup. But auto up does. If a kid/small child were to climb on the door and have their head sticking out and hit the auto up it would kill them if there were no safety built in.

 

[BassBomb]

my civic and accord have auto up
lexus es350 (auto up down all windows)

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
There is a requirement for anti-pinch when you have auto-up windows.

Don't most automatic windows have this anyway? I know my friend's 14 year old Volvo will stop powering the window up if something gets in the way.

 

[bruceb]

Not on my Grand Prix ... Auto Down only on the drivers window. And yes, it is a safety issue with the Auto Up implementation.
Some makers do not want to spend the extra cost for the Auto Reverse function, like you find on Garage doors, in case something gets in the way of the door / window movement.

 

[StageLeft]

I cannot imagine they saved more than a couple of dollars by cheaping on this option and it's a feature worth far more than that, at least to me. I bet a lot of people don't realize how sweet auto up is until they have it.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I cannot imagine they saved more than a couple of dollars by cheaping on this option and it's a feature worth far more than that, at least to me. I bet a lot of people don't realize how sweet auto up is until they have it.

I'd guess a lot less than a few bucks. I work in the auto industry and even some of the bezels we make that contain a microphone and the associated wiring is under $1.

 

[Kelvrick]

Yes, autoup is especially good since I park in a parking garage at work.

Gotta roll down the window to scan your parking pass, then drive a manual out of the garage into the rain takes some quick shifting.

 

[sdifox]

Safe auto up can't be all that cheap. You have to build in pressure sensor in case you are about to catch some stupid kid (or adult)'s neck.

 

[Squisher]

I'll have to say that there is nothing intuitive about the auto up or down in that Prius I've got. It seems to want to go into auto no matter what finger techniques I employ. Cracking the window for me is an down/up/down/up/down maneuver that one of these days might actually force me to read the fucking manual.

 

[Raduque]

I just wish I had auto down on the passenger window.

 

[Baked]

I know my car has auto down 'cause I use it all the time, I need to check if it has auto up. There's a 2 step system, you press down half way for manual control, push down all the way for auto.

Update: Yup, it has auto up too. I never checked the safety when it goes up though.

 

[LTC8K6]

My Jeep has auto up and down on both front windows. If you stick your arm out and hit auto up, it barely touches your arm and then reverses.

Auto up and down are great for toll booths.

 

[Colt45]

You got a broken finger?

 

[lurk3r]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is nuts and crazyness. I have a 2000 maxima with auto down and auto up. If you want the window to go down or up you press it like a normal one. If you want it to do all the way down or all the way up with a quick touch, you simply press a bit harder, there is a click, and it does the rest like magic.

My 2004 MPV has only the auto down. I was just in a 07 or 08 Hybrid Camry and same thing.

Now that I write it out, I bet it's some extremely retarded safety feature.

*tiny bonus rant* BTW, the Hybrid Camry is very interesting, I have to say I love its CV transmission in a big way, especially when pulling out to pass. However, its trunk is smaller than a purse, so it gets a bit fail. I realize batteries take up room, but paying thousands more and ending up with a trunk that barely holds a jug of milk is obscene. I can only assume that the smaller hybrids like the civic hybrid probably can only take sheets of paper in the trunk.

EDIT: I give my rant a 2/10, btw.

You live in the land where you have to put stickers on hammers to keep people from hitting themselves in the eye with them and have to ask this question?

 

[radioouman]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I cannot imagine they saved more than a couple of dollars by cheaping on this option and it's a feature worth far more than that, at least to me. I bet a lot of people don't realize how sweet auto up is until they have it.

I'd guess a lot less than a few bucks. I work in the auto industry and even some of the bezels we make that contain a microphone and the associated wiring is under $1.

Cents, boys... it is amazing to me that we commonly provide savings of $0.05 per part, and the parts that I work on are approx. $130 to the OEM.

Anyway, auto up windows are difficult to calibrate. Additional sensors aren't required because you can monitor the motor's current draw and reverse the window if the current draw is too high. However, if the window track gets dirty, or the window doesn't move as freely in the winter, or someone tries to pry open your door and bends the window track slightly, you may not be able to use auto up to put your window up. These are probably a nightmare for a body shop unless the manufacturer provides a way to calibrate the window after a repair.

And Skoorb, how many bags of milk will that hybrid hold?

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: radioouman

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I cannot imagine they saved more than a couple of dollars by cheaping on this option and it's a feature worth far more than that, at least to me. I bet a lot of people don't realize how sweet auto up is until they have it.

I'd guess a lot less than a few bucks. I work in the auto industry and even some of the bezels we make that contain a microphone and the associated wiring is under $1.

Cents, boys... it is amazing to me that we commonly provide savings of $0.05 per part, and the parts that I work on are approx. $130 to the OEM.

Anyway, auto up windows are difficult to calibrate. Additional sensors aren't required because you can monitor the motor's current draw and reverse the window if the current draw is too high. However, if the window track gets dirty, or the window doesn't move as freely in the winter, or someone tries to pry open your door and bends the window track slightly, you may not be able to use auto up to put your window up. These are probably a nightmare for a body shop unless the manufacturer provides a way to calibrate the window after a repair.

And Skoorb, how many bags of milk will that hybrid hold?

Yep, go to your local parts store looking for door panel clips and you will find bags of 10 for $5-6. Those 10 cost less than 1 penny to manufacture, including the cost of tooling.

 

[SonicIce]

So have any of you stuck your finger in it to test or is it too scary

 

[LTC8K6]

Originally posted by: SonicIce
So have any of you stuck your finger in it to test or is it too scary

My Jeep has auto up and down on both front windows. If you stick your arm out and hit auto up, it barely touches your arm and then reverses.

 

[FeuerFrei]

If only power windows had some redundancy. Like a manual crank as backup in case of motor failure.

 

[LTC8K6]

No one wants to pay for both. The motors are way too reliable to justify the expense, I'd guess.

Also, a power window failure may not be the motor, so a hand crank may not move the window either.

You can't manually crank the window down under water either, so the possibility of landing in a lake is not a valid reason to have cranks.

 

[lurk3r]

Update, tried mine today in the Altima, I do have auto up, and it jams your arm pretty hard before stopping, not hard enough to leave a bruise but it definitely hurt.

 

[Funyuns101]

Originally posted by: lurk3r
Update, tried mine today in the Altima, I do have auto up, and it jams your arm pretty hard before stopping, not hard enough to leave a bruise but it definitely hurt.

I did this on a newer Civic and it didn't really pinch my arm much at all.
Auto-up is a nice feature but isn't a dealbreaker if a car does not have it~

 

[LTC8K6]

If it hurts, it probably needs to be adjusted.