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What exactly is $700 Billion Dollars?

guyver01

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Slate.com Article


Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke's reference to a $700 billion economic bailout for the nation's troubled financial institutions is a bit like watching a re-run of "Cosmos," featuring Carl Sagan. All that talk of billions and billions eventually can leave you speechless.

First, there are about 300 million men, women, and children in the United States. Keeping in mind that not all of them pay taxes, the bailout comes out to roughly $2,300 per person, about the same amount a typical American pays personally in taxes.

Twelve Bill Gateses is the equivalent of $700 billion.

The net worth of the entire Forbes 400 is about two times the cost of the bailout.

James Cameron would have to film 381 blockbusters as popular as his $1.8 billion "Titanic" to foot the bill.

According to the Centers for Disease Control, the single-year cost of obesity in the United States was $117 billion in 2000, or about one-sixth the bailout.

The GDP of Florida alone was about $734Billion last year, about 5% of the National GDP.

The Netherlands GDP was $768.7Billion last year.

The Marshall Plan, which helped finance the recovery of Western Europe after World War II, cost the United States about $13 billion. Of course, in 2008 dollars that's more like $100 billion.

Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.
 
Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.

🙁
 
Originally posted by: Ns1
Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.

🙁

The really 🙁 part is that they say "the national debt will rise by *only* 7 percent." That *only* has me a bit worried, because they make it seem like "oh well by comparison that's not that much"...
 
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Its nice to see some people understand this.

 
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

And besides.. i think the whole point of the article was to give people some idea of what these numbers equate to, so they have a reference point.

If you tell me $700 billion dollars.. you might as well say 70 gajillion dollars... doesnt mean much to me..

but if you say its 350 Titanic Movies.. well.. damn.. that's alot
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

Recovered from the fact that markets always panic and under/overvalue securities during panics. See LTCM for an example of distress, panic, bailout and subsequent profit
 
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

Recovered from the fact that markets always panic and under/overvalue securities during panics. See LTCM for an example of distress, panic, bailout and subsequent profit

Not only that, when the economy picks up, a lot of those loans will turn positive. What's a bit comforting is the thought of the government owning that much in private assets. Isn't that one of those conspiracy nut predictions? 🙂
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

And besides.. i think the whole point of the article was to give people some idea of what these numbers equate to, so they have a reference point.

If you tell me $700 billion dollars.. you might as well say 70 gajillion dollars... doesnt mean much to me..

but if you say its 350 Titanic Movies.. well.. damn.. that's alot

Are you really this clueless? The holding company will own the underlying asset if the mortgages fail. Resolution Trust (which dealt with the S&L bailout) recovered 66% of the initial costs by later selling these assets.

 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

Recovered from the fact that markets always panic and under/overvalue securities during panics. See LTCM for an example of distress, panic, bailout and subsequent profit

Not only that, when the economy picks up, a lot of those loans will turn positive. What's a bit comforting is the thought of the government owning that much in private assets. Isn't that one of those conspiracy nut predictions? 🙂

OH MY GOD ITS BIG BROTHER STARTING GLOBAL GOVERNMENT!!!111!1!
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: AccruedExpenditure
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

Recovered from the fact that markets always panic and under/overvalue securities during panics. See LTCM for an example of distress, panic, bailout and subsequent profit

Not only that, when the economy picks up, a lot of those loans will turn positive. What's a bit comforting is the thought of the government owning that much in private assets. Isn't that one of those conspiracy nut predictions? 🙂

they can just sell it to China when they get strapped for cash.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

And besides.. i think the whole point of the article was to give people some idea of what these numbers equate to, so they have a reference point.

If you tell me $700 billion dollars.. you might as well say 70 gajillion dollars... doesnt mean much to me..

but if you say its 350 Titanic Movies.. well.. damn.. that's alot

Are you really this clueless? The holding company will own the underlying asset if the mortgages fail. Resolution Trust (which dealt with the S&L bailout) recovered 66% of the initial costs by later selling these assets.

At 66% that still means $238 billion is being "bailed out" so to speak. That's a chunk of change to say the least.
 
At 66% that still means $238 billion is being "bailed out" so to speak. That's a chunk of change to say the least.

Agreed 100% and actual # will vary (thats what happened with Resolution Trust). A lot of the return depends on how the economy recovers. Of course, sans this the coming credit crunch will hurt GDP a heck of alot more

 
Originally posted by: theplaidfad
700 billi0n double cheeseburgers at McDonalds.

Which news agency was it that tried to make it more real by saying that $700 billion is enough to give every American 2,000 McDonald's apple pies?
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: guyver01
Originally posted by: Epic Fail
All these comparisons are moot, you don't know how much of the 700B will be recovered later.

Recovered from who? The people who cant afford to pay back the loans that are now placing the banks in all this debt?

Recovered from the Billionaires who own the companies?

And besides.. i think the whole point of the article was to give people some idea of what these numbers equate to, so they have a reference point.

If you tell me $700 billion dollars.. you might as well say 70 gajillion dollars... doesnt mean much to me..

but if you say its 350 Titanic Movies.. well.. damn.. that's alot

Are you really this clueless? The holding company will own the underlying asset if the mortgages fail. Resolution Trust (which dealt with the S&L bailout) recovered 66% of the initial costs by later selling these assets.

unfortunately, 66% of that will be siphoned off by government officials moving into the private sector.
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
At 66% that still means $238 billion is being "bailed out" so to speak. That's a chunk of change to say the least.

Agreed 100% and actual # will vary (thats what happened with Resolution Trust). A lot of the return depends on how the economy recovers. Of course, sans this the coming credit crunch will hurt GDP a heck of alot more

Of course numbers will vary, but that was going off what happened with the Resolution Trust. This country needs a credit wakeup call, unfortunately it's most likely going to happen in a way that is going to make this economy rough until it is resolved. I am not looking forward to it.
 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Slate.com Article

The Marshall Plan, which helped finance the recovery of Western Europe after World War II, cost the United States about $13 billion. Of course, in 2008 dollars that's more like $100 billion.

So it will cost (at least) seven times more to bail out Wall Street that it took to reconstruct western Europe after being ravaged by years of war. Sounds reasonable to me. Where do I sign?
 
Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
Originally posted by: Ns1
Should the Treasury receive authority from Congress to borrow $700 billion, the national debt will rise by only about 7 percent. Right now, it's sitting at $9.6 trillion.

🙁

The really 🙁 part is that they say "the national debt will rise by *only* 7 percent." That *only* has me a bit worried, because they make it seem like "oh well by comparison that's not that much"...

It's *only* 7% because Bush has nearly doubled the national debt during his tenure. That could have been a much higher percentage.
 
There have been about 378,432,000,000 seconds since the end of the last ice age in around 10,000 BC. So $700 billion is nearly twice that.

Dinosaurs were still roaming the earth 569,400,000,000 hours ago.

I'm sure there's more.
 
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