What does Tranny whining mean?

thescreensavers

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I hear some cars pass buy and it sounds like a supercharger whining up, you know what I mean?

Does this mean the tranny is in imminent failure? I always wondered, it certainly does not sound good.
 

Raduque

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My moms GMC Safari always made this noise in 1st gear, never had any problems related to 1st (overdrive went out, but that was after over 200k miles and a trans flush). I think some cars just have noisy transmissions.
 

TwinsenTacquito

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The gears aren't rounded, they are squared for strength. It makes it loud. Often reverse is this way, and sometimes first gear is a bit square.
 

amdhunter

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Hmmm, my RX-8 sounds like that when I decelerate in 1st. But so does my friends 04. I never thought much about it...
 

KIAman

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Sometimes people mistake transmission whine when it is actually the power steering pump.
 

Zenmervolt

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The gears aren't rounded, they are squared for strength. It makes it loud. Often reverse is this way, and sometimes first gear is a bit square.

Has nothing to do with the gear teeth being rounded or square tipped.

The difference is whether the gears are helical or spur (straight cut) gears are used. The contact surfaces in helical gears engage and disengage gradually as opposed to spur gears where the teeth engage across the entire surface at once which causes greater stress and increased noise (which is perceived as "whine" at higher speeds).

I cannot think of a single normal modern car that would use spur gears for the forward gears, even for first. While there are high-performance straight-cut setups available and while some exotics may use spur gear setups, even the venerable Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher", for all its legendary noisiness, used helical gears.

In general, spur gears are reserved for non-constant-mesh gears (for example, reverse in most manuals is not a constant-mesh gear) because spur gears can slide in and out of contact along their axes fairly easily whereas helical gears can't easily be slid into and out of contact. Also, spur gears are much, much, much noisier than even a noisy helical gearset.

Noisy helical gears (Muncie M-22)

True spur gear setup (racing sequential gearbox)

For any common modern street car made since the M-22 went out of use in 1974 though, gear whine in any forward gears is unlikely. Generally what people hear is belt whine.

ZV
 

TwinsenTacquito

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Has nothing to do with the gear teeth being rounded or square tipped.

The difference is whether the gears are helical or spur (straight cut) gears are used. The contact surfaces in helical gears engage and disengage gradually as opposed to spur gears where the teeth engage across the entire surface at once which causes greater stress and increased noise (which is perceived as "whine" at higher speeds).

I cannot think of a single normal modern car that would use spur gears for the forward gears, even for first. While there are high-performance straight-cut setups available and while some exotics may use spur gear setups, even the venerable Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher", for all its legendary noisiness, used helical gears.

In general, spur gears are reserved for non-constant-mesh gears (for example, reverse in most manuals is not a constant-mesh gear) because spur gears can slide in and out of contact along their axes fairly easily whereas helical gears can't easily be slid into and out of contact. Also, spur gears are much, much, much noisier than even a noisy helical gearset.

Noisy helical gears (Muncie M-22)

True spur gear setup (racing sequential gearbox)

For any common modern street car made since the M-22 went out of use in 1974 though, gear whine in any forward gears is unlikely. Generally what people hear is belt whine.

ZV

*mooninite voice*

My failure is deep as I had no idea of this.
 

Doggiedog

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I just noticed a tranny riding my bus today. Actually how could I not have noticed. The dude was over 6' tall wearing a wig, wakeup and had an LV handbag.
 

ShawnD1

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Interesting stuff. I always wondered why city buses are so damn loud. When decelerating, there's a speed where it starts to resonate and it's deafening loud.
 

Demon-Xanth

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The M22's noisiness comes from the shallow helical angle compared to most. Often you'll hear a whine that is associated with other similar noises such as the fan, serpentine belt, or accessories, and in some cases the differential's gears being on the back side instead of the front (driving) side of the teeth. The reason you don't hear them at higher speeds is because of a combination of wind+tire noise overwhelming it and the lower RPM at cruise vs. a short high RPM cruise through a parking lot (where you're going from 5-20-5 in 1st gear).

Edit:
Very rarely it's a quick change rear end. For a while they were popular in the hot rod scene (mainly for show), but these days they're rather rare.
 

zerocool84

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Has nothing to do with the gear teeth being rounded or square tipped.

The difference is whether the gears are helical or spur (straight cut) gears are used. The contact surfaces in helical gears engage and disengage gradually as opposed to spur gears where the teeth engage across the entire surface at once which causes greater stress and increased noise (which is perceived as "whine" at higher speeds).

I cannot think of a single normal modern car that would use spur gears for the forward gears, even for first. While there are high-performance straight-cut setups available and while some exotics may use spur gear setups, even the venerable Muncie M-22 "Rock Crusher", for all its legendary noisiness, used helical gears.

In general, spur gears are reserved for non-constant-mesh gears (for example, reverse in most manuals is not a constant-mesh gear) because spur gears can slide in and out of contact along their axes fairly easily whereas helical gears can't easily be slid into and out of contact. Also, spur gears are much, much, much noisier than even a noisy helical gearset.

Noisy helical gears (Muncie M-22)

True spur gear setup (racing sequential gearbox)

For any common modern street car made since the M-22 went out of use in 1974 though, gear whine in any forward gears is unlikely. Generally what people hear is belt whine.

ZV

My car, SRT4's have gear whine in low gear. Very noisy but we all know how lazy Chrysler was.