What does NV-20 mean/stand for?

[Rio]

I've heard NV1, NV-15, NV-20, and others..

But I've been wondering.. how did they get that name? NVidia? Hehe..

 

[BenSkywalker]

NV1 was nVidia's first product. NV2 was the second and so on up until GeForce which was NV10. Now, the first number represents the family while the second the particular model for isntance-

NV10 = GeForce

NV11 = GeForce2MX

NV15 = GeForce2GTS / Pro

NV16 = GeForce2 Ultra

Expect the same thing to happen with the NV20 including the NV2A(X-Box chip) although it is quite likely that we will not see anything but the NV20 in the NV2X family for some time.

 

[minus1972]

nv20 is the latest nVidia chip ... obvious, but useful

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

The question is will the 2d problem that all current nVidia cards have be cleared up? If they don't make it a priority this time, then I give up on them. I had to try many different geforce cards to find one with decent 2d quality, and decent is still not good enough. It amazes me that a company with their resources continues to overlook such basic and fundamental quality issues with their products.

 

[Rio]

Oh thanks people!

So are there any ideas of what the actual chip is going to be called? NV-20, as seems to me, is like the codename..

GeForce 3?

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

Boom-Boom is the name that nVidia uses within the company, but they will obviously change that for the public release. I don't think the public is ready for Boom-Boom!

 

[Finality]

<< The question is will the 2d problem that all current nVidia cards have be cleared up? >>

Its not Nvidias problem its the fault of cheap RFI filters.

I've seen a lot of GeForce series of cards. Some cards like the Asus 6800 has bad image quality wheras the 7700 is fine. My CL is fine.

Elsa/Leadtek has great image quality. Its not NVidias fault that board makers go cheap on compenents.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

double post

 

[DaveB3D]

BoomBoom isn't just NV20, it is all their products.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

&quot;Its not NVidias fault that board makers go cheap on compenents.&quot;

Yes it most certainly is their fault. Completely. They could require the companies to use better quality components as a prerequisite for being able to use and sell their chips. They have plenty of other picky requirements for people to use their name &amp; logo in advertisements. ie: where the logo must go, what size it must be, etc.

How about some quality requirements for the manufacturers to meet? This is entirely nVidia's fault. If they wanted to do something about it they could. Apparently they just don't.

Question: If you made a product that you were supposedly proud of, would you let &quot;just anybody&quot; license it and sell it, regardless of how they presented it, or what quality they delivered to the public?

I certainly wouldn't. A company that is proud of their product or cares about the end user shouldn't either.

Like I said, this is nVidia's fault and nobody else's.

BTW Dave, thanks for the Boom-Boom clarification!

 

[Compellor]

<< This is entirely nVidia's fault. If they wanted to do something about it they could. Apparently they just don't. >>



No it isn't. nVidia only produces the chips. It's up to the manufacturers of the video cards to fix the problem. ATi and Matrox, on the other hand, make their own chips and manufacture their own cards. See the difference?

BTW, my Visiontek GeForce 2 GTS has excellent 2D. Perhaps your monitor is the problem?

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

&quot;No it isn't. nVidia only produces the chips. It's up to the manufacturers of the video cards to fix the problem.&quot;



Did you read my entire comment? >> Yes it most certainly is their fault. Completely. They could require the companies to use better quality components as a prerequisite for being able to use and sell their chips. They have plenty of other picky requirements for people to use their name &amp; logo in advertisements. ie: where the logo must go, what size it must be, etc.

How about some quality requirements for the manufacturers to meet? This is entirely nVidia's fault. If they wanted to do something about it they could. Apparently they just don't.

I think it's about time for them to require certain standards from the manufacturers. How or why would you possibly disagree with that?

You also didn't answer my question? >> Question: If you made a product that you were supposedly proud of, would you let &quot;just anybody&quot; license it and sell it, regardless of how they presented it, or what quality they delivered to the public?

I certainly wouldn't. A company that is proud of their product or cares about the end user shouldn't either.

I think that says it all!

For the record, I love my geforce2 card for gaming . After looking at several cards from several manufacturers though, it's clear that 2D is a weakness . It's so inconsistent from one nVidia based card to the next, that it's almost like buying a lottery ticket. This is a problem that nVidia should do something about. I am not ripping nVidia, and I think very highly of them in most cases. It's the high standards that they set in other areas that is the reason why I am disappointed in the lack of quality in this area. I think I am making a perfectly valid point.

Like I said, nVidia is in control, NOT the card makers. If nVidia decided to require the card makers to use higher quality components in order to license/sell their technology to them, then the manufacturers would have no choice but to do so, if they wanted to continue selling the product. It's that simple.

(Edit for another comment)

 

[Compellor]

<< I think it's about time for them to require certain standards from the manufacturers. How or why would you possibly disagree with that? >>



I don't disagree with it, but it's a different story with nVidia. nVidia just sells their chips to different companies. They make a reference design (the VisionTek cards are a fine example) for manufacturers to follow, but each company that makes the actual video card is, in the end, responsible for the quality assurance. Remember Canopus? They made some of the best video cards. Their video cards are currently only available in Japan, but can be ordered online if you know where to look. They have what is called a Dual Filter system on their GeForce 2's, which makes the 2D comparable to both Matrox and ATi.

Canopus always deviated from the reference design because they knew what quality meant. You may have paid more for their cards, but it was worth it. Companies like Creative, ASUS, etc., are just looking to make money, so, they cut corners (where they can) to make a profit.

Check out the Canopus Spectra 8800 GeForce 2 Ultra video card here:
Spectra 8800

Check out their sweet looking Geforce 2 MX video card:
Spectra F11

This should give you an idea of how a video cards SHOULD be made. It's just too bad that Canopus had to pull out of the U.S. market.

 

[Finality]

My old SPectra 2500 had image quality that easily beat the G200

 

[Soccerman]

don't disagree with it, but it's a different story with nVidia. nVidia just sells their chips to different companies.

no, that isn't true, nVidia sure does make chips, and sells them, but they also have the expressed trust with the companies that they won't sell ones that are capable of higher clock speeds as 'special edition' like what happened with the TNT2U, everyone here should remember, Hercules offered one that was a higher clock speed then everyone else, and everyone wanted one. they eventually went out of business because even this good selling card couldn't keep them out of death. Guillemot bought em up, and they now produce pretty good cards.

 

[Hawk]

Wasn't it because Canopus's cards cost too much that they don't sell in the US anymore? You say it's worth it to get their cards because of the quality, but you don't have one either do you? =) Heh.

 

[Compellor]

<< Wasn't it because Canopus's cards cost too much that they don't sell in the US anymore? You say it's worth it to get their cards because of the quality, but you don't have one either do you? =) Heh. >>



No, it wasn't the price. They got out of it here in the U.S. because of the competition. They had a hard time getting their products into the retail chain. I owned a Spectra 2500 TNT, so, I know what kind of quality Canopus was known for (anyone who owned one will tell you that). One look at their new cards will tell you that they are a breed apart from the rest.

 

[Rio]

Wow.. I asked what it meant, I got that answer and a whole 'nother discussion! Hehe..

Any names that you might want it to be?

I want it to be umm..

NV-20: EVOLUTION
or
NV-20: SHRIKE
or
NV-20: FLUFFY

Any name would work.. they can always make cool logos and stuff for any word.

I like looking at video card boxes *cough cough*

 

[Compellor]

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<< So are there any ideas of what the actual chip is going to be called? NV-20, as seems to me, is like the codename.. >>


I can't remember where I saw it, but some hardware website reported they are going to officially call it &quot;GeForce 3.&quot; I think it was Voodoo Extreme that made the post.

 

[TheTrueEqualizer]

<< Any names that you might want it to be? >>

&quot;Affordable&quot;