What does it say when even the artists don't like the recording industry?

[notfred]

Yes, you have to read lyrics, don't worry, it's pretty short.

Kick back watch it crumble, see the drowning watch the fall
I feel just terrible about it, that?s sarcasm, let it burn
I?m gonna make a toast when it falls apart
I?m gonna raise my glass above my heart
Then someone shouts "that?s what they get!"
For all the years of hit and run for all the piss broke bands on VH1
Where did all their money go don?t we all know
Parasitic music industry as it destroys itself
We?ll show them how it?s supposed to be

Music written from devotion not ambition, not for fame
Zero people are exploited there are no tricks up our sleeve
Were gonna fight against the mass appeal
Were gonna kill the seven record deal
Make records that have more then one good song
The dinosaurs will slowly die and I do believe no one will cry
I?m just fvcking glad I?m gonna be there to watch the fall
Prehistoric music industry three feet in La Brea tar
Extinction never felt so good

If you think anyone will feel badly you are sadly mistaken
The time has come for evolution fvck collusion kill the big five
What ever happened to the handshake whatever happened to deals no one would break what happened to integrity
It?s still there it always was for playing music just because
A million reasons why all dinosaurs will die

 

[johnjohn320]

Yeah, that's nothing new. Artists have spoken out both against the RIAA and in favor of Napster-like programs since this whole mess started.

Who wrote the lyrics you posted, by the way?

 

[nater]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
Yeah, that's nothing new. Artists have spoken out both against the RIAA and in favor of Napster-like programs since this whole mess started.

Who wrote the lyrics you posted, by the way?

yeah that's my question...is there anyone for the RIAA besides the people who work for record companies?

 

[notfred]

Lyrics are by NOFX. Song is called "dinosaurs must die".

 

[tcsenter]

What does it say when even the artists don't like the recording industry?

Wow, was this like one of those 'We Are the World' collaborations between hundreds or even thousands of different artists speaking out against the recording industry? Or, rather, when you said 'artists', were you actually just referring to this one artist? That would be singular vs. plural, wouldn't it?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

What does it say when even the artists don't like the recording industry?

Wow, was this like one of those 'We Are the World' collaborations between hundreds or even thousands of different artists speaking out against the recording industry? Or, rather, when you said 'artists', were you actually just referring to this one artist? That would be singular vs. plural, wouldn't it?

This sentiment is echoed by many other bands, this is just one example.

 

[Blieb]

Evaluate this:

I don't like my boss. But I still go to work.

 

[Anubis]

Its by NOFX one of the biggest punk bands out there. they are all "Antiestablishment" thats one of the connerstones of being punk. what more do you expect

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: notfred
Lyrics are by NOFX. Song is called "dinosaurs must die".

well they do suck.

 

[Anubis]

STFU they do not suck

 

[eakers]

i read an article on the agreements record companies make indie bands sign and how they screw them over. the thing that shocked me the most is that if the bands don't make such-and-such amount of money they OWE it to the record company. so they go from nobodies with no money to kinda somebodies with 500,000 dollars debt.

 

[tcsenter]

Its by NOFX one of the biggest punk bands out there. they are all "Antiestablishment" thats one of the connerstones of being punk. what more do you expect

Ah, well that explains much.

i read an article on the agreements record companies make indie bands sign and how they screw them over. the thing that shocked me the most is that if the bands don't make such-and-such amount of money they OWE it to the record company. so they go from nobodies with no money to kinda somebodies with 500,000 dollars debt

Well, if I am an investor, and you come to me with some grand idea for a business or invention, I loan you $500,000 with the expectation of a return on that investment, and your idea is a royal flop, guess what? Yep, you're going to owe me some money, a lot of damned money.

Now that really isn't so shocking after all, when you think about it longer than a milisecond or two.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: notfred
Lyrics are by NOFX. Song is called "dinosaurs must die".

well they do suck.

Nice, relevant comment there. Course, your favorite bands are creations of the record industry, so I guess you would disagree with this opinion, wouldn't you?

Its by NOFX one of the biggest punk bands out there. they are all "Antiestablishment" thats one of the connerstones of being punk. what more do you expect

NOFX is not genuine punk, but that's a different discussion altogether. Obviously you didn't follow the court cases against Napster and saw how many artists of all genres supported Napster.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
NOFX is not genuine punk, but that's a different discussion altogether.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind that.

 

[BatmanNate]

NOFX has avoided the major label aspects of the recording industry all of its career, it doesn't even allow radio stations to play its songs or make music videos to make a point. There are a myriad of indie bands with the same ideal, and a plethora of major label bands with equal sentiment in this regard. It's pretty plain the music 'industry' is ill fated. Music and industry don't coexist very well to begin with, but that should be obvious by turning on MTV.

 

[pulse8]

Bands have had songs about the evils of the recording industry for a long time...

Come in here, dear boy, have a cigar.
You're gonna go far, fly high,
You're never gonna die,
You're gonna make it if you try;
They're gonna love you.
Well I've always had a deep respect,
And I mean that most sincerely.
The band is just fantastic,
that is really what I think.
Oh by the way, which one's Pink?
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

We're just knocked out.
We heard about the sell out.
You gotta get an album out.
You owe it to the people.
We're so happy we can hardly count.
Everybody else is just green,
Have you seen the chart?
It's a helluva start,
It could be made into a monster
If we all pull together as a team.
And did we tell you the name of the game, boy,
We call it Riding the Gravy Train.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
NOFX is not genuine punk, but that's a different discussion altogether.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind that.

Because to be "true" punk (like the misfits or something) you have to be devoid of any talent, and NOFX can do vocal harmonies so they don't fit the bill.

 

[BDawg]

Skynyrd did Workin' For MCA long before NOFX entered kindegarten.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: TheEvil1
STFU they do not suck

good comeback

Course, your favorite bands are creations of the record industry, so I guess you would disagree with this opinion, wouldn't you?

Tell me good sir, who are my favorite bands? I was unaware that several of my favorite artists right now were even SIGNED by a record label, let alone created by one.

 

[tcsenter]

Skynyrd did Workin' For MCA long before NOFX entered kindegarten.

Exactly. SKYNYRD!

Actually, this "theme" is age-old. While I am having a brain fart at the moment and cannot think of any specific examples, there are and have been lots of songs about the plight of the 'common man v. rich man', working in the steel factories, coal mines, work all day, one step forward and two steps back, blah blah blah.

Oh hey! I thought of one, something about the rich man always dancing while the poor man plays in the band.

Anyway, this is really nothing different, just another way of whining and complaining about one's lot in life that one has chosen.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

It means that ...

aw hell, cheap shot:

RIAA BLOWS HAIRY GOAT NUTS!

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: johnjohn320
NOFX is not genuine punk, but that's a different discussion altogether.

I'd like to hear your reasoning behind that.

As soon as you sell out you loose your "genuine punk" status

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

i read an article on the agreements record companies make indie bands sign and how they screw them over. the thing that shocked me the most is that if the bands don't make such-and-such amount of money they OWE it to the record company. so they go from nobodies with no money to kinda somebodies with 500,000 dollars debt

Well, if I am an investor, and you come to me with some grand idea for a business or invention, I loan you $500,000 with the expectation of a return on that investment, and your idea is a royal flop, guess what? Yep, you're going to owe me some money, a lot of damned money.

Now that really isn't so shocking after all, when you think about it longer than a milisecond or two.

Now, when you think about it for just a few seconds longer, and actually do the math, you'll find out that unless you are one of the extremely rare bands that does really well, you'll end up getting screwed by the record company. Check out the article Courtney Love does the math to see some actual figures. You'd do much better in the stock market.

 

[tcsenter]

Now, when you think about it for just a few seconds longer, and actually do the math, you'll find out that unless you are one of the extremely rare bands that does really well, you'll end up getting screwed by the record company. Check out the article Courtney Love does the math to see some actual figures. You'd do much better in the stock market.

Oh brother, I'm fairly convinced that Courtney Love needs to pay someone to remind her what her own name is from time to time. The woman has never uttered a single coherent word in her life, and she isn't going to start now. Some "actual" figures? "Actually" from Love's own mind, perhaps:

"I want to start with a story about rock bands and record companies, and do some recording-contract math:

This story is about a bidding-war band that gets a huge deal with a 20 percent royalty rate and a million-dollar advance. (No bidding-war band ever got a 20 percent royalty, but whatever.) This is my "funny" math based on some reality and I just want to qualify it by saying I'm positive it's better math than what Edgar Bronfman Jr. [the president and CEO of Seagram, which owns Polygram] would provide."

Now I'm sure you're a pretty intelligent person, so I should not have to tell you what Love means, but here goes [translation]:

"These aren't actual figures, they are fictitious figures I'm using for purposes of illustration, but they are an example of what might happen in reality. Well, my understanding of reality when I'm not on heroin, anyhoo. But just in case you might question my figures, I want you to know that, as inaccurate and unrealistic as they might be, they aren't nearly as inaccurate and unrealistic as you might get from Edgar Bronfman Jr."

But let's presume they are very representative of what goes on in the industry.

So what? I'm not sure which part I'm 'supposed' to find unfair, or wrong, or whatever.

Perhaps you could point it out for me? Because, all I am seeing is a company investing a very large amount of money in a band which might prove to be a flop, and probably will be a flop, and that company expecting not only its principle back, but a return on their investment in an exceptionally high risk business.

 

[ProviaFan]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Now, when you think about it for just a few seconds longer, and actually do the math, you'll find out that unless you are one of the extremely rare bands that does really well, you'll end up getting screwed by the record company. Check out the article Courtney Love does the math to see some actual figures. You'd do much better in the stock market.

Oh brother, I'm fairly convinced that Courtney Love needs to pay someone to remind her what her own name is from time to time. The woman has never uttered a single coherent word in her life, and she isn't going to start now. Some "actual" figures? "Actually" from Love's own mind, perhaps:

"I want to start with a story about rock bands and record companies, and do some recording-contract math:

This story is about a bidding-war band that gets a huge deal with a 20 percent royalty rate and a million-dollar advance. (No bidding-war band ever got a 20 percent royalty, but whatever.) This is my "funny" math based on some reality and I just want to qualify it by saying I'm positive it's better math than what Edgar Bronfman Jr. [the president and CEO of Seagram, which owns Polygram] would provide."

Now I'm sure you're a pretty intelligent person, so I should not have to tell you what Love means, but here goes [translation]:

"These aren't actual figures, they are fictitious figures I'm using for purposes of illustration, but they are an example of what might happen in reality. Well, my understanding of reality when I'm not on heroin, anyhoo. But just in case you might question my figures, I want you to know that, as inaccurate and unrealistic as they might be, they aren't nearly as inaccurate and unrealistic as you might get from Edgar Bronfman Jr."

But let's presume they are very representative of what goes on in the industry.

So what? I'm not sure which part I'm 'supposed' to find unfair, or wrong, or whatever.

Perhaps you could point it out for me? Because, all I am seeing is a company investing a very large amount of money in a band which might prove to be a flop, and probably will be a flop, and that company expecting not only its principle back, but a return on their investment in an exceptionally high risk business.

Never heard of a theoretical example, huh? Well, they don't always exactly model reality, but most of the time they come pretty close. Anyway, in her example, we're not dealing with some little band that doesn't sell anything - on the contrary, this fictitious band has sold 1,000,000 records, and they don't get anything back for it! The record company, on the contrary, makes $6.6M.

I guess if you believe that the corporations of America have the right to take away all of our privacy so they can be sure that we only observe and/or listen to their content when, where, and how they specify, then you have no problem with the aforementioned scenario. To me, however, it just doesn't seem quite "right" that the RIAA should continue to stuff its already fattened wallets, while the bands are payed next to nothing. Oh well, I guess I just don't see the truth, because I'm not Hillary Rosen (sp?) or one of her employees; on the other hand, I'm just some little nobody - an indepenent observer.