What do you think the rest of Nvidia's 10xx Series line-up will look like?

[cbn]

What do you think the rest of Nvidia's 10xx Series line-up will look like?

(With that mentioned, Nvidia has yet to drop below GTX 950 for the 9xx series line-up)

GT 1040, GT 1030, GT 1020, GT 1010?

GT 1040: 512sp GP 107 with GDDR5 or 640sp GP 107 with DDR4?

GT 1030: GP108 with 64 bit GDDR5?

GT 1020: GP 108 with 64 bit DDR4?

P.S. Anyone want to take a guess at how many CUDA cores the GP108 die will have? 512 CUDA cores?

EDIT: See post #19 and post #21 for rumor of GT 1030.

 

[escrow4]

Anything below a 1050 is rubbish, same as with a 950. If you want to buy a dedicated GPU buy something with balls not something that can barely match Intel's Kaby Lake iGPU before running out of puff. I only bought a GT 7xx something as this 5930K irritatingly has no iGPU.

 

[cbn]

I think most people are interested because it will have 10 bit H265, VP9 and HDMI 2.0a. (ie, the same decode as Kabylake, but with HDMI 2.0a being native)

........So then they can upgrade their Skylake and older SFF boxes.

However, I am thinking gaming peformance might also be surprisingly good for the cards based on the GP108 die if it has 512sp. (ie, faster GPU core than GTX 750, but with less bandwidth if it comes with 64 memory bus)

In fact, I'm thinking the GPU core for the 40W and under cards should be equal to a GTX 750 Ti.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

I think most people are interested because it will have 10 bit H265, VP9 and HDMI 2.0a. (ie, the same decode as Kabylake, but with HDMI 2.0a being native)

........So then they can upgrade their Skylake and older SFF boxes.

That'd certainly be the primary market for new low-end cards. Upgrading older boxes with brand-new video decoding hardware. There are plenty of perfectly serviceable systems out there that'd benefit from such.

I'm certainly interested in a new "GT1040" to replace all the low-end Kepler-based cards. But I'm not holding my breath for NV to actually make one.

 

[SlickR12345]

Have you looked at the games coming out? Anything less than a RX 470 4GB for gaming is going to be useless! Even the 1050ti is basically a glorified GTX 960 which was already GARBAGE on release!

If you absolutely can't for the life of you save up a bit to $160 to $180 for a RX 470, then going for an older generation R9 280 for $150 is better than going for a rx 460 or GTX 1050ti.

I mean the 1050ti TURD on average costs $150, when for up to 25% more performance you get a RX 470 4GB. ALL dual slot 4GB 1050ti's are priced at $160

If you can't afford at least a 470, then get CPU with Igpu.


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[whm1974]

Have you looked at the games coming out? Anything less than a RX 470 4GB for gaming is going to be useless! Even the 1050ti is basically a glorified GTX 960 which was already GARBAGE on release!

If you absolutely can't for the life of you save up a bit to $160 to $180 for a RX 470, then going for an older generation R9 280 for $150 is better than going for a rx 460 or GTX 1050ti.

I mean the 1050ti TURD on average costs $150, when for up to 25% more performance you get a RX 470 4GB. ALL dual slot 4GB 1050ti's are priced at $160

If you can't afford at least a 470, then get CPU with Igpu.

a 1050Ti card is till way more powerful then iGPUs are.

 

[cbn]

a 1050Ti card is till way more powerful then iGPUs are.

That is right.

A Skylake GT2 (as found in the i7 6700K) is only about as fast as 256 GCN 1.0 stream processors @ 720 Mhz/780 Mhz. (I'm basing that off this comparison here where the R7 240 at 320sp @ 720Mhz/780 Mhz is faster than the GT2 with DDR4)

GTX 1050 Ti is around the level of R9 380 4GB (ie, 1792sp @ 990 Mhz)

So 1792sp @ 990 Mhz/ 256sp @ 780 Mhz = 8.88 times faster.

 

[cbn]

That'd certainly be the primary market for new low-end cards. Upgrading older boxes with brand-new video decoding hardware. There are plenty of perfectly serviceable systems out there that'd benefit from such.

Yep, especially the Sandy Bridge/Ivy bridge SFF boxes where even the quad cores sometimes only got GT1. In fact, with Sandy Bridge the only quads with GT2 were the K models (and the Core i5-2405S). Ivy bridge improved that somewhat with all the Core i7 getting GT2.....but all Core i5s short of one unlocked model and one "S" model got GT1.

For Haswell, the situation improved and all the desktop quad cores got GT2. Still these did not have H265, VP9 or HDMI 2.0....also the iGPU also was only 20 EUs (not 24 as found in SKL) with DDR3 rather than DDR4 memory.

 

[cbn]

I'm certainly interested in a new "GT1040" to replace all the low-end Kepler-based cards. But I'm not holding my breath for NV to actually make one.

Yep, the Kepler cards are getting pretty dated.

Here is the one I am currently using in my SFF box.

.....Would be awesome to get something like that with just half the performance of GTX 1050 Ti at the same 38W TDP. However, what I really want is the decode and display for the most part.

 

[LTC8K6]

I think most people are interested because it will have 10 bit H265, VP9 and HDMI 2.0a. (ie, the same decode as Kabylake, but with HDMI 2.0a being native)

........So then they can upgrade their Skylake and older SFF boxes.

However, I am thinking gaming peformance might also be surprisingly good for the cards based on the GP108 die if it has 512sp. (ie, faster GPU core than GTX 750, but with less bandwidth if it comes with 64 memory bus)

In fact, I'm thinking the GPU core for the 40W and under cards should be equal to a GTX 750 Ti.

Those lower cards are likely to be rebrands using earlier GPUs. They will probably be Maxwell based?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Those lower cards are likely to be rebrands using earlier GPUs. They will probably be Maxwell based?

I wouldn't particularly mind a cheap 28nm chip with Pascal level features and video decoder for the extreme low-end. Wouldn't have to be all that big a chip either (thinking double SM/256SP), and cheap to manufacture, given 28nm maturity.

We can dream can't we...

 

[crisium]

I'd like a further cut GP107 if it gets us smaller cards like that GT 730. And also larger, totally passive cards. 512 Shaders at a conservative 1000-1100MHz surely ought to do it?

I think the problem with really cheap GPUs is only partially Intel iGPUs. The other problem is the emphasis on "cheap".

With 1050 MSRP at $110, maybe a 512 Shader 1040 could retail for ~$100 as it wouldn't have to undercut the 1050 so much since its selling points would be size and/or passive rather than performance per dollar. But I can't see sustainability much below that.

With some sales we already have low end 460 2GBs going for $90 and $70 after rebate, and 1050s going for $100. Is it gonna be worth it to make a 16/14nm card and have it retail at $80, never mind sales and rebates at $60?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Id love to see some single slot, low profile passive cards. Perfect for HTPCs imo.

 

[LTC8K6]

They released GT710 this year. It's still Kepler...

 

[daxzy]

I think most people are interested because it will have 10 bit H265, VP9 and HDMI 2.0a. (ie, the same decode as Kabylake, but with HDMI 2.0a being native)

........So then they can upgrade their Skylake and older SFF boxes.

However, I am thinking gaming peformance might also be surprisingly good for the cards based on the GP108 die if it has 512sp. (ie, faster GPU core than GTX 750, but with less bandwidth if it comes with 64 memory bus)

In fact, I'm thinking the GPU core for the 40W and under cards should be equal to a GTX 750 Ti.

Desktop RX 460 2GB are already going for $70 AR now. GK208 (GT 730) is still listed on Nvidia's site for entry level and there is no successor on the map. They could presumably take a GP108 and cut it down some more (512 SP's), to hit a $79/89 MSRP, but the fact that Nvidia hasn't done this already suggests there is no profitable market.

I have a RX 460 2GB for HTPC. Just undervolt and underclock, and its sub 50W easily. Of course if I were really interested in power savings, I'd just get Kaby Lake with and use a DP/Thunderbolt to HDMI 2.0 adapter and call it a day.

 

[cbn]

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GT 1040: 512sp GP 107 with GDDR5 or 640sp GP 107 with DDR4?

GT 1030: GP108 with 64 bit GDDR5?

GT 1020: GP 108 with 64 bit DDR4?

P.S. Anyone want to take a guess at how many CUDA cores the GP108 die will have? 512 CUDA cores?

I wonder if instead of using GP108 for the lowest SKU Nvidia will use GM108 instead? Or maybe instead of using GM108 for GT1020 there would be a GT1010 that used GM108?

Granted the display and decode isn't any better than cut down GK208 (ie, GT710), but they might have left over GM108 chips from mobile?

P.S. One advantage that GM108 would have over GP108 is native support for DVI-I.

 

[cbn]

Interestingly enough Maxwell (GM108) is still being used in Kabylake laptops. See below for some examples I found on Newegg:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834315713

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834234444

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834332305

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834315673

With that noted, It is true that Maxwell v1 has better peformance per watt compared to Kepler v2. This along with higher memory bandwidth efficiency due to increased L2 cache.

 

[pj-]

My yoga 15" yoga 710 has a 940mx as well. It is not powerful at all (skyrim/crysis at medium settings is in the 30fps neighborhood), but I do appreciate that it has its own memory so it doesn't have to cut into system memory.

 

[cbn]

According to Guru of 3D GT 1030 will have 512 shaders:

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-to-release-geforce-gt-1030.html

AMD announced their RX 500 series lineup which includes a budget friendly RX 550 based on the Polaris 12 core which is the first time that Polaris architecture is being used to make low end budget friendly cards. Now, NVIDIA are moving forward with a budged oriented GT 1030.

Earlier rumors stated that that NVIDIA would release a low end card budget friendly card titled GeForce GTX 1030 (GP108) but we know that the budget oriented low end cards by NVIDIA never used the title GTX. Following the previous trend of naming lower end cards by NVIDIA we can say that the card would be named GT 1030. It is rumored to have 512 shader processors and gets 1 and/or 2 GB framebuffer partitions.

This card would be based on the new Pascal architecture and would be a good upgrade option to those who are low on budget. it is however unknown if NVIDIA would using the GP107 core from the GTX 1050 cards or would be using the unreleased GP108 core. It is also rumoured that GT 1030 will have an big brother named GT 1040 which would feature the same core but with bumped up features

The exact release date is unknown but is rumored to roll out in mid-May, the pricing is unknown, it is estimated to be at par with the AMD RX 550 graphics card.

 

[Face2Face]

My yoga 15" yoga 710 has a 940mx as well. It is not powerful at all (skyrim/crysis at medium settings is in the 30fps neighborhood), but I do appreciate that it has its own memory so it doesn't have to cut into system memory.

I have the 940m in my Surface Book. Here's how it plays Skyrim. Playable enough.

 

[cbn]

Memory bus on GT 1030 will be 64 bit (like the GT 730 GDDR5) according to Expreview:

http://www.expreview.com/53807.html

We also said before the NVIDIA GK208 core GT 730 graphics card after the introduction of very little new entry-level graphics card, or vest products, but also have to use in the notebook or OEM market. This time the GT 1030 graphics card will use the new GP108 core, but the specifications are unknown, before the rumors of the CUDA core number is up to 512, memory bandwidth is not 128bit but 64bit, performance between the GTX 750 and GTX 750 Ti between.

(I wonder what memory speed will be? 7 Gbps? Or faster? The GK208 based GT 730 GDDR5 has its GDDR5 spec'd at 5 Gbps)

 

[cbn]

GT 1020: GP 108 with 64 bit DDR4?

According to this article there is now a GT 1030 with 64 bit DDR4:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1261...ower-lower-tdp-geforce-gt-1030-with-ddr4-vram

So GT 1020 would be a cut down GP108 with 64 bit DDR4 is my guess.