What do you think of this Dell Dimension 4100 P3/1GHz system?

RossMAN

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UPDATE: Dell's two newest promotions include a free Epson printer and $50 off plus a $100 rebate.

LOL I just priced a Dell Dimension 4100 for a friend. The total came out to $1,397 just $2 shy of the $1,399 minimum for the $50 discount!

Dimension® 4100 Series
Pentium® lll Processor, 1 GHz
Memory: 128MB 133MHz SDRAM
Keyboard: QuietKey® Keyboard
Monitor: Video Ready w/o Monitor
Video Card: 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 MX 4X AGP Graphics Card with TV-Out
Hard Drive: 40GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive
Floppy Drive: 3.5 in Floppy Drive
Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Mouse: MS IntelliMouse®
Network Card: No Network card
Modem: US Robotics 56K PCI Telephony Modem-Sound Option
DVD-ROM or CD-ROM Drive: 48X Max Variable CD-ROM Drive
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz DSP Sound Card
Speakers: Altec Lansing ACS-340 Speakers with Subwoofer
Bundled Software: New Microsoft TM Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001
Norton Antivirus® at no additional charge: Norton Antivirus® 2001
Digital Music: Dell Jukebox powered by MusicMatch 6.0
Digital Imaging Software: Image Expert® 2000, Dell Edition ($0)
Limited Warranty, Services and Support Options: 3 Year Ltd. Warranty, 3 Year At Home Service, Lifetime 24x7 Phone Support
Internet Access Service at no additional charge: 6 Month DellNet by MSN® Internet Access
CD-RW DRIVE FOR 2nd Bay: 8X/4X/32X CD-RW, 2nd Bay
Special Offer: Free! Epson Stylus 580 Printer after $50 mail-in rebate

Any ideas on how to get this configuration as close to $2 as possible? I'm thinking a slightly better keyboard or mouse?

Keyboard Learn More
QuietKey® Keyboard
Microsoft® Internet Keyboard, Dell Edition For Windows ME [add $20]
Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse Desktop Solution [add $65]

Mouse Learn More
MS IntelliMouse®
Logitech MouseMan® Wheel (PS/2v) [add $10]
Dell® Button Mouse [subtract $10]
Mouse already included in Logitech Wireless Package [subtract $10]

This is for my sister's boss who wants a computer to basically "surf the Internet, burn CDs, MS Office stuff, play some games - not a hard core gamer". The Dell Dimension L, a Gateway, or building a computer is out of the question.

Here are my concerns and questions:
1) Is it worth saving $40 to downgrade to a 20GB instead of 40GB?
2) I opted for the 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 since it's only $30 more than 16MB ATI Rage 128 Pro, good choice?
3) Should he order this without the E770 17" monitor and save roughly $200?
I doubt he'll need more than 1024x768, what cheap but good monitor would you recommend (not the Samsung 700NF)?
4) He wanted a 2 year warranty, should he downgrade to a 1 year saving $69 or upgrade to a 3 year for $50 which gives him free phone support for the life of the computer?
5) Once he gets his Dell, a friend wants to sell his 128MB PC133 RAM for $50 ... is 256MB way overkill for Windows ME? (I doubt he'll upgrade to W2K)
6) He doesn't want DVD. So we just chose an 8/4/32 CD-RW with a plain 48x CD-ROM in the other bay.
7) Here are his speaker choices which of these gives you the most bang for your buck?
harman/kardon Speakers
Altec Lansing ACS-340 Speakers with Subwoofer [add $30]
Harman Kardon HK-695 Surround Sound Speakers with Subwoofer [add $60]
Altec Lansing THX Certified ADA885 Dolby Digital Speakers with Subwoofer [add $180]
8) Upgraded to SB Live! Value Digital from SoundBlaster 64V PCI LC for $20.
9) Chose the US Robotics 56K PCI Telephony Modem for $60 over the Winmodem.

How often does Dell offer their free CD-RW, free shipping, and so forth promo's? Since next Friday is the end of June, the end of the Quarter and the end of the Fiscal year for most companies do you think Dell might be offering any new promo's within the next week or two? I told my sister's boss to hold off another 2-3 weeks and wait for another Dell promo. Their only current promo is a lame $100 rebate.
 

natto fire

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I would stick with the large HD. Vid card was good idea. 256 MB is overkill for ME, I believe. Stick with the 2 year warranty.
 

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The only thing I would change is the OS---I'd much rather have 2K or 98SE instead of ME. I was gonna mention an upgrade in RAM, but you already said he's gonna get the other 128MB. I would definitely keep the 40GB HDD, too. Maybe the Altec ACS-340's instead of the HK's
 

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Dimension 4100 (Service Tag No. 21Q8601)
Dimension® 4100 Mini-Tower: Pentium® lll Processor at 1000MHz

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System Price $1,320.00
Promotion Discount ($300.00)
Discounted Price $1,020.00
Promotion End Date Jun 21, 2001

Memory: 384MB 133MHz SDRAM (2 DIMMs)
Floppy Drive: 1.44 MB Diskette Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 80 GB EIDE Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
Video: 32MB DDR NVIDIA GeForce2 GTS 4X AGP Graphics Card
Modem: 3Com V.90/56K PCI Telephony Modem
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz DSP Sound Card
CD Read-Write Drive: 8X/4X/32X CD-RW
DVD Drive: 12X DVD-ROM
Software: Norton AntiVirus? 2000 for Millennium
Microsoft® Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Software
6 Month America Online Membership
Dell Net - MSN Software
Software
Microsoft® Works Suite 2001
Software
Resource CD
DVD Software
Misc: Getting Started Sheet
Microsoft IntelliMouse®
Shipping Material
QuietKey® Keyboard
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Check that out :)

Add in a nice monitor for $250, and a set of nice speakers for another $100 and you are set.


dell outlet
 

RossMAN

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Thanks Captain_Howdy!

I guess my main question concerns the monitor ... The Samsung 753DF or 755DF or keep the Dell E770?
 

Ryan

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1) No, get all the space you can.
2) Good choice, it's a good value card.
3) I don't know, but a monitor w/ a sony trinitron/mitsibishi diamondtron would be nice.
4) Upgrade, warranties are always nice.
5) 128 should be fine for your boss. But more wouldn't hurt ;)
6) That sounds fine.
7) Altec Lansing ACS-340 Speakers with Subwoofer [add $30]
8) Upgraded for $20.
9) The cheaper one should be good.

Maybe he should get a gateway computer. Here is my computer that I ordered today from gateway for 1700 shipped:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=38&threadid=471301
 

RossMAN

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vi_edit - I knew I forgot something, was going to suggest he get a refurb. What's the warranty like on those?

This one looks nice and cheap:
Dimension 4100 (Service Tag No. 1KZ9L01)
Dimension® 4100 Mini-Tower: Pentium® lll Processor at 933MHz

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System Price $1,010.00
Promotion Discount ($200.00)
Discounted Price $810.00
Promotion End Date Jun 21, 2001

Memory: 128MB 133MHz SDRAM (1 DIMM)
Floppy Drive: 1.44 MB Diskette Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 20 GB EIDE Hard Drive (7200 RPM)
Video: 32MB NVIDIA GEFORCE2 MX 4X AGP
Modem: Conexant V.90/56K DataFax Modem for Windows
Sound Card: Turtle Beach Santa Cruz DSP Sound Card
CD ROM Drive: 48X Max Variable CD-ROM Drive
CD Read-Write Drive: 8X/4X/32X CD-RW
Software: Norton AntiVirus? 2000 for Millennium
Microsoft® Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Software
6 Month America Online Membership
Dell Net - MSN Software
Software
Dell Remote Assistant
Microsoft® Works Suite 2001
Resource CD
Misc: Getting Started Sheet
Microsoft IntelliMouse®
Shipping Material
QuietKey® Keyboard
 

RossMAN

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If they throw in a free pizza I'd say its a good deal

You're never going to let that go are you?

:)
 

Pretender

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yes, there is a major problem in that system.

You need to change the mailing address, I don't live in Oregon, silly!
 

Ryan

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<< yes, there is a major problem in that system.

You need to change the mailing address, I don't live in Oregon, silly!
>>



lol @ Pretender
 

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Ross, I believe refurb warranty on Dimensions is 1yr/1yr. I'm pretty sure you can bump that up for a nominal fee.

There's a TON of nice machines in the $750 range.
 

RossMAN

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rbloedow - Although your Gateway machine is nice that's way to overkill for his needs and his budget is around $1,400 shipped.

I am still considering Gateway but have always preferred Dell, Gateway has a pretty good deal on their Gateway Select 1200 CS for $1,099 (plus $95 s/h):

AMD Athlon? Processor 1.2GHz (1200MHz)
with New Performance Enhancing Cache Memory
128MB SDRAM
20GB Ultra ATA 100 Hard Drive
FREE 8x/4x/32x Recordable/Rewritable CD-ROM upgrade
Integrated Stereo Audio &amp; Integrated S3 Savage 4 2D/3D Graphics
17&quot; Monitor (15.9&quot; viewable)
GCS300 Speakers
Home Networking/56K Modem Combo Card¹
One Year of America Online® Internet Access
(new members only)²
Three-year limited warranty with one year of on-site service³
FREE Canon Color Printer (shipping &amp; handling extra)
FREE JamCam 3.0 Digital Camera (shipping &amp; handling extra)
FREE Creativity 101 software
 

RossMAN

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Pretender - Sorry Dell doesn't deliver to the NY state pen ;)

rbloedow - Yeah I know but just like you I'm kind of impartial to Dell, plus through Dell's refer-a-friend program both of us will receive a FREE $25 GiftCertificates.com GC. I can use that to renew my subscription to P...... popular mechanics! Not.
 

Ryan

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here's a better system for &quot;Total Price: US $1434&quot; :)

Processor - AMD Athlon 1200MHz w/Performance Enhancing Cache Memory
Memory - 128MB SDRAM
Hard Drive - 40GB 7200RPM Ultra ATA Hard Drive (+US$ 50)
Monitor - VX720 17&quot; Mitsubishi Diamondtron¿Color Monitor (16.0&quot; viewable area) (+US$ 80)
Floppy Drive - 3.5&quot; 1.44MB diskette drive
Audio/Video - 64MB DDR ATI Radeon VE with TV-Out and DVI, SoundBlaster Live! and 10/100 Ethernet card
CD-ROM/DVD - 8x/4x/32x Recordable/Rewritable CDROM
Speakers - Boston Acoustics BA735 Digital Speakers with Subwoofer
Modem- Home Networking/56K Modem Combo Card
Case - Gateway Mid-Tower Case
Keyboard - Multi-Function Keyboard
Mouse - PS/2 Wheel Mouse
Expansion slots - Three PCI and One 4X AGP
Printers - Canon BJC-2110 Color InkJet Printer with USB cable
Digital Cameras - JamCam 3.0 Digital Camera
Operating System - MS Windows Millennium Edition w/Win XP Home Upgrade Coupon (+US$ 15)
Application Software - Microsoft® Works Suite 2001 - Including Microsoft® Word and Encarta
Bundled Software - Norton Anti-Virus
Included Software - Creativity 101 Bundle
Network Card - 10/100 Ethernet Card
Service and Support - 3 Yr Ltd Warranty, 1 Yr Onsite Service, Ltd Hardware &amp; Software Tech Support
ISP - One Year America Online® 6.0 Internet Access

It has a better monitor, video card, better speakers, a faster processor, and free digital camera/printer ;)

Sorry, I'm a gateway freak :p
 

RossMAN

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How much is that 'better' system if you downgrade the graphics card to like a 32MB GeForce 2 or Radeon?
 

Ryan

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there isn't an option, unless you want integrated video :(

I cant understand why gateway won;t give people more options :(
 

yellowperil

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If he doesn't play many games I would downgrade the video card and get a better monitor. The E770 is OK, but the Samsung monitors you mentioned are better.
 

RossMAN

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Actually if Dell doesn't have any sort of sale soon I might pursuade him to get a Gateway since I found a $100 off Gateway coupon :)
 

Amused

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<< 1) Is it worth saving $40 to downgrade to a 20GB instead of 40GB? >>


No. You have to think of the future when buying computers. He'll need that extra 20GB before long.


<< 2) I opted for the 32MB NVIDIA GeForce2 since it's only $30 more than 16MB ATI Rage 128 Pro, good choice? >>


That, or the GF2MX for $130 cheaper. It depends on what games he plays, and how much.


<< 3) Should he order this without the E770 17&quot; monitor and save roughly $200? >>


That's entirely up to him. He might feel better having everything warranteed by one place, or not.


<< I doubt he'll need more than 1024x768, what cheap but good monitor would you recommend (not the Samsung 700NF)? >>


I can't help you here, I'm a pathetic Trinitron/Sony bigot :) I wont buy anything else. I'd tell him to get the 19&quot; Dell Trinitron. It would be the best $290 add on bucks he ever spent. He'll never be sorry. My Mom got this, and just LOVES it.


<< 4) He wanted a 2 year warranty, should he downgrade to a 1 year saving $69 or upgrade to a 3 year for $50 which gives him free phone support for the life of the computer? >>


How computer savy is he? $50 bucks for 3 years IN HOME parts and labor, and lifetime phone support is pretty good for non-geeks.


<< 5) Once he gets his Dell, a friend wants to sell his 128MB PC133 RAM for $50 ... is 256MB way overkill for Windows ME? (I doubt he'll upgrade to W2K) >>


In my opinion, ME needs a MINIMUM of 256MB to run effectivly. Memory is so darn cheap right now, just have him load up. Only, don't buy any more than the standard 128MB that comes with the puter from Dell. They are just too expensive. I ordered an extra 256MB from Crucial for my Mom so she could have 384MB total. It runs very smooth and she can fart around with graphics and MPGs all day without slowing down.


<< 6) He doesn't want DVD. So we just chose an 8/4/32 CD-RW with a plain 48x CD-ROM in the other bay. >>


I'd just get the 12/8/32 burner and no other CD ROM.


<< 7) Here are his speaker choices which of these gives you the most bang for your buck?
harman/kardon Speakers
Altec Lansing ACS-340 Speakers with Subwoofer [add $30]
Harman Kardon HK-695 Surround Sound Speakers with Subwoofer [add $60]
Altec Lansing THX Certified ADA885 Dolby Digital Speakers with Subwoofer [add $180]
>>


My Mom just bought this computer in March. We tried the HK-695s and they sucked so BAD (No midrange whatsoever), we returned them and got some Altec Lansing 404s. Midrange is Important if you're playing games or listening/burning CDs. Their price on the ADA885s is excellent. They retail for over 300 bucks. I bought these for my homebuilt, and love them.


<< 8) Upgraded to SB Live! Value Digital from SoundBlaster 64V PCI LC for $20. >>

I'd get the TB Santa Cruz. The SBL has just given me too many problems.


<< 9) Chose the US Robotics 56K PCI Telephony Modem for $60 over the Winmodem. >>


Good choice. Does he have broadband access? If so, get the NIC too.
 

Amused

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One more thing...

Dell is the way to go, IMO. I don't trust any other company for pre-built boxes.
 

RossMAN

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AmusedOne - Thanks for your input. Dell is offering a free Epson Stylus 580 printer today along with the $100 rebate. Granted the free printer is only worth $50, I wonder if we should hold out for a free 8/4/32 CD-RW? How often does Dell offer their really good specials?
 

vi edit

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You'll usually get the best deals on Dell refurbs at the end of quarters. So, about 3 weeks ago was the time to buy :(

Not sure on the retail side of things.
 

HansHurt

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As far as SB Live! I have had 4 systems, and never had even a hint of a problem w/ it.........guess I am just lucky.