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What do you think of the CURECOIN teams that pose as users ?

Markfw

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The thing is they are producing a lot of research for cancer, but why can't they use individual accounts like the rest of us ? Its knocking all the top 50 out of the list of individual contributors. There are 10 of these in the top 30 right now (I am 32) and 10 more will overtake me in less than 6 months. I see the entire CURECOIN SUDO-teams taking over the top 50 real individuals in the next year.
 

biodoc

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I think any group of folders from any team can form a sub-team. The only reason I can think of forming a sub-team is to move up the team and overall F@H ranks in the stats more quickly. The downside I guess is the sub-team members are folding anonymously.

Is this their F@H passkey? 112u8v3aPsNL3ebC3yEDVXmFWNtoCiwg1g

I noticed all the curecoin team members have a long string of letters and numbers. What is that?
 

Markfw

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I think any group of folders from any team can form a sub-team. The only reason I can think of forming a sub-team is to move up the team and overall F@H ranks in the stats more quickly. The downside I guess is the sub-team members are folding anonymously.

Is this their F@H passkey? 112u8v3aPsNL3ebC3yEDVXmFWNtoCiwg1g

I noticed all the curecoin team members have a long string of letters and numbers. What is that?
Good guess, it could be that. But I think this is wrong (immoral) since it is taking away from not just me, but all the REAL individual contributors, and not allowing them the recognition they deserve.
Edit, Mine key is 32 characters, that is 34, but the first 2 characters could be something else
 

crashtech

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I think that if miners want to also help with science, the concept of CureCoin is not a bad one. I don't know anything about how it plays out in practice, or if these long user/team names are a necessary part of the program.
 

IEC

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Just an FYI, I don't know if all of them are individuals, but in general they are likely to be individuals (or university teams/research institutions) simply due to the fact that the long alphanumeric string at the end is their Curecoin wallet address. Which as a cryptocurrency listed on at least one exchange theoretically has monetary value, and could be earning them real money as with other cryptocurrencies. Which is the whole point of Curecoin - motivate the financially motivated miners to contribute GPU power to Folding@Home in exchange for a token that has some intrinsic value and can be exchanged for real money.

I know at least one guy on this very forum (who lives in the frozen north) who literally has 40+ graphics cards for mining, though he is not mining Curecoin. I at one point had 20+ GPUs as well. So it's very possible for some of these miners to be individuals, though it's likely the absolute biggest producers are tied to institutions, academic or otherwise.
 

Markfw

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Between the names (_ALL_ in all the names) and the TEAM in some of them, and the fact that my lowly 15 cards cost me $500 a month in electricity, I find it hard to believe that anyone else could host 40-60 cards on anything less than an industrial electric box. I have to put my 15 cards on 5 different 20 amp circuits to keep from blowing the breakers. That many cards would take a 400 amp delivery, and most likely AC even in freezing weather. I have to leave windows open just with my 15 cards on 10 systems in 4 rooms.

Edit: it does depend on the cards, but the slowest I have are 980TI cards@250 watts each. and to 1080TI cards are a little more than that, so thats 3750 watts, not counting the CPU's, which could make 4500-5000 total watts.

Edit 2, my threadripper systems do 800 watts each. I may still be low.
 
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Markfw

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@IEC, I think I made my point badly. Here is another way to express what I think. Most of my farm are highly efficient cards (10xx series) and at 13 mill ppd, it takes $500 a month to run them on cheap NW power. So the guys that are whizzing by me at 40-100 million ppd and that would require $1500 to $4000 a month in electricity, and a 200 to 400 or even 500 amp service. I don't know any houses around me that have that kind of supply. I find it hard to believe they are individuals.

Your 20 cards, what was your ppd ?
 

Ken g6

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Most of my farm are highly efficient cards (10xx series) and at 13 mill ppd, it takes $500 a month to run them on cheap NW power. So the guys that are whizzing by me at 40-100 million ppd and that would require $1500 to $4000 a month in electricity, and a 200 to 400 or even 500 amp service.
Hm, something about this math seems wrong. Let's think about an ideal Folding rig. (Mmmm. ;)) It would have:

- Up to four GPUs, estimate 250W for 1080Tis. But let's assume 3 for maximum PCIe bandwidth.
- One LGA2011 processor, running up to 140W. Suppose we're on Linux, so one core per GPU, but no other work. So we'll say less than 140W, and ignore other system power to assume 140W total.
- Let's assume an 80+ Platinum PSU, for ~90% efficiency. That's just under 1KW.
- Based on this, we'll say each card gets 1.1MPPD, or 3.3MPPD/KW

Now, 1KW draw at 120V is 8.33 Amps. So two of these rigs per 20A circuit. You say you have five; let's assume that's common. So that's 10 rigs, 30 cards, drawing 10KW, generating 33MPPD. At 10 cents/KWH (kinda low, but not too low), 30 days per month, 24 hours per day, that's...$720/month?! (I see why you like cheap NW electricity!)

So, that's close to the guys whizzing by you, but not quite there. Suppose we stick another 1080Ti in each rig and it gets .9MPPD. But that pushes each rig over 10A, so it doesn't fit. :(

So I think an individual with the very best modern hardware (10*($1000+3*750) = over $30,000 worth!) could do better than 13MPPD. But you do have a point about "40-100 million ppd".
 

Kiska

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Now, 1KW draw at 120V is 8.33 Amps. So two of these rigs per 20A circuit.
In NSW, you can get a service called "Direct Connection" where you buy electricity based on the current market price, the service isn't advertised since it would cause retailers and generators to hate you, and for this service to work, they will allow a maximum of 10 degrees out of phase(otherwise you will have to pay some extra fees). But you can get a direct 200A circuit directly from the substation at 33kV, if you like high voltage(ie They will run a cable from the substation to you) :p
You can see the price of electricity here: https://www.aemo.com.au/Electricity/National-Electricity-Market-NEM/Data-dashboard#nem-dispatch-overview
Right now its $62.72 per MWh

30 days per month, 24 hours per day, that's...$720/month?! (I see why you like cheap NW electricity!)
So in your equation, lets assume that it is static at $62.72 Australian dollars. So the same load that Mark has, here would cost if the price was static, $451.58 AU, converted to US dollars that is $351.11 excluding connection cost + other costs

EDIT: Oh look the price has come down to $57.50, since I posted.
The price is set on a 5 minute Dispatch Interval.
 

TennesseeTony

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You silly Americans, with your 120v outlets. Take a quick look around your house, and you will find many electronics rated for 100-240v input. This includes almost all PSU's, although they may have that red slider switch, if they are really old.

Just put all your gear in the laundry room, toss out the electric dryer, and there you will find a 30A 240V outlet, which at a safe 80% load, gives you 5760 watts, with a 7200 watt peak load.

Or put everything in the kitchen, and toss out the electric range/stove. There you will find a 50A 240V outlet, which at a safe 80% load, gives you 9600 watts, with 12000 watt peak load.

Or if you are REALLY into it, say, you want to mine or something, spend $300 and have a 30/50A outlet installed in the garage. You get to put all that mess into one area, and only that one area has cooling issues/costs.

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I visited CureCoin, and just quickly browsing around, I saw that I was able to join, for 1%, one of these sub-teams. I did not see what the advantage was, to being on a sub-team, but no, I don't think these are individuals. Perhaps EOC could be petitioned to exclude gridcoin sub-teams?
 

Markfw

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You silly Americans, with your 120v outlets. Take a quick look around your house, and you will find many electronics rated for 100-240v input. This includes almost all PSU's, although they may have that red slider switch, if they are really old.

Just put all your gear in the laundry room, toss out the electric dryer, and there you will find a 30A 240V outlet, which at a safe 80% load, gives you 5760 watts, with a 7200 watt peak load.

Or put everything in the kitchen, and toss out the electric range/stove. There you will find a 50A 240V outlet, which at a safe 80% load, gives you 9600 watts, with 12000 watt peak load.

Or if you are REALLY into it, say, you want to mine or something, spend $300 and have a 30/50A outlet installed in the garage. You get to put all that mess into one area, and only that one area has cooling issues/costs.

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I visited CureCoin, and just quickly browsing around, I saw that I was able to join, for 1%, one of these sub-teams. I did not see what the advantage was, to being on a sub-team, but no, I don't think these are individuals. Perhaps EOC could be petitioned to exclude gridcoin sub-teams?
Well, that won' work for me. These computers generate more than enough heat, to heat my house, even in below freezing weather (like now). Right now they are evenly ditributed in my bedroom, a spare bedroom, the dining room, and the computer room. Any of your solutions would not let me evenly heat the house.
 

Markfw

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Finally got to the power companies website. For this last bill I used 145.9 KW per day. Below is a breakdown:
Basic Charge 10.50
Energy Use Charge
1000.000 kWh x 6.85000¢ 68.50
3816.000 kWh x 7.57200¢ 288.95
Transmission Charge
4816.000 kWh x 0.23700¢ 11.41
Distribution Charge
4816.000 kWh x 4.03500¢ 194.33
Total $573.69
 

Markfw

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After the current F@H contest is over, I am scaling way back. Its obvious that the science is getting done by all these curecoin people, and I am tired of being broke. There is no motivation left for me to try as hard as I have, they have killed my motivation. I am not quitting, just not going to spend over $10,000 or more a year that I can't afford.
 

StefanR5R

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We are on the F@H score chart mainly because we want to donate computer resources and electricity to a cause. They happen to be on the same chart because they play a role in a Ponzi scheme. That's a pity because of the clutter on the score chart, but no reason for me to compare my results with their results.
 

Howdy

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We are on the F@H score chart mainly because we want to donate computer resources and electricity to a cause. They happen to be on the same chart because they play a role in a Ponzi scheme. That's a pity because of the clutter on the score chart, but no reason for me to compare my results with their results.
I do not believe anyone could make this point and say it any better than written. It is exactly correct.............
 
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