What do you think of Capitol Punishment?

[pyonir]

you wanna make an omelet, you gotta crack some eggs.



no no no, i'm kidding. I agree with you, that is why the system has to be reformed so that innocent people are NOT being put to death. It is too vague the way it is. It is possible to have 100% assurance that you have the right person, but that isn't advocated enough in the public/media because they want someone to pay for whatever crime was committed.

It can be done, it just takes reform

 

[CPA]

Well, believe it or not here in Texas a serial murderer is set to be released within the next couple of years due to mandatory parole. he will be the first serial murderer ever released in Texas. See we don't execute everyone. I just wonder how long it will be before he takes another life and if the jury and judge will be happy with the sentencing decisions they made.

 

[FreedomFighter]

Keep them in prison and let them rot

 

[Michael1897]

Well, believe it or not here in Texas a serial murderer is set to be released within the next couple of years due to mandatory parole. he will be the first serial murderer ever released in Texas. See we don't execute everyone. I just wonder how long it will be before he takes another life and if the jury and judge will be happy with the sentencing decisions they made.

not entirely true (at least i think)
Kenneth McDuff (executed some time in the late 90's) was paroled and then committed another murder, was arrested again and then executed.

 

[Nefrodite]

Originally posted by: jcuadrado
eye for an eye in my book..

u know when that was written there were no prisons and familys had to deal out justice themselves eh?

 

[Bluefront]

Some guy brutally rapes a 10 year old, gets caught, DNA testing proves him guilty. There are people posting here who think he only deserves prison time, not death? Well, who are you? And more importantly...how did you come to think that way?

 

[Amused]

Yes, I believe we should punish the capitol, and everyone in it.

 

[CedarTeeth135]

Well, i think that it is a great idea, but they should speed it up, because of all the times people will be on death row for years at a time. I mean, how long does it take to kill someone.

You may think I am a morelly shallow person, and I realizet taht accidents may occure during the process, but if you figure, that for every hundered convicted criminals, that one was innocent, I think that is a reasonable cost for eliminating the threat of an escape/continued murders.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135
Well, i think that it is a great idea, but they should speed it up, because of all the times people will be on death row for years at a time. I mean, how long does it take to kill someone.

You may think I am a morelly shallow person, and I realizet taht accidents may occure during the process, but if you figure, that for every hundered convicted criminals, that one was innocent, I think that is a reasonable cost for eliminating the threat of an escape/continued murders.

Yeah except the rate of incorrect convictions is way higher, as proven by DNA evidence alone acquitting a crap load of people.

Fact is the system is bugged and significantly so. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not the fact is it kills a lot of people who don't deserve to die.

Personally I'm against it. Sure some people do deserve to die but the system doesn't save a buck (and to save a buck you have to cut corners) vs. life imprisonment. What it does do is kill the wrong people in many cases (a bit hard to appeal when you're dead). It doesn't make people less likely to commit crimes either.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Bluefront
Some guy brutally rapes a 10 year old, gets caught, DNA testing proves him guilty. There are people posting here who think he only deserves prison time, not death? Well, who are you? And more importantly...how did you come to think that way?

I'm for the death penalty...but it certainly has lots of room for improvement. It's sad that sometimes innocents are executed (have there been innocents executed?), but the system isn't flawless. I don't think the death penalty is neccessarily a bad thing, but rather how it's implemented...*cough*endless appeals*cough*. I'm no expert but I think the death penalty, the way it's used right now, isn't close to being as effective as it could be. 20-25 years ago it probably wasn't such a good thing because of the potential for mistakes. These days, however, with DNA testing and stuff, the potential for mistakes is so low. That probably doesn't make a bit of difference to those who morally oppose the death penalty, but if you oppose it due to fears of innocents being wrongfully caught I think it has a good chance of becoming as close to a flawless system as possible.

With that said I'd like to remind Bluefront that it's always better to attack the idea and not the person. If the above quote isn't intended to attack the person then my apologies.

 

[jhu]

Or should people that commit Capitol Offenses should be given Life Imprisonment?

i think they should be put to work at incredibly low wages since there's still the possibility that they'd be innocent.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Bluefront
Some guy brutally rapes a 10 year old, gets caught, DNA testing proves him guilty. There are people posting here who think he only deserves prison time, not death? Well, who are you? And more importantly...how did you come to think that way?

I'm for the death penalty...but it certainly has lots of room for improvement. It's sad that sometimes innocents are executed (have there been innocents executed?), but the system isn't flawless. I don't think the death penalty is neccessarily a bad thing, but rather how it's implemented...*cough*endless appeals*cough*. I'm no expert but I think the death penalty, the way it's used right now, isn't close to being as effective as it could be. 20-25 years ago it probably wasn't such a good thing because of the potential for mistakes. These days, however, with DNA testing and stuff, the potential for mistakes is so low. That probably doesn't make a bit of difference to those who morally oppose the death penalty, but if you oppose it due to fears of innocents being wrongfully caught I think it has a good chance of becoming as close to a flawless system as possible.

With that said I'd like to remind Bluefront that it's always better to attack the idea and not the person. If the above quote isn't intended to attack the person then my apologies.

Even with DNA evidence, there'll still be mistakes. When people are making the judgement, there'll always be mistakes. Plus, I think death is better than life in prison.

A better idea would be to make prisoners work their asses off doing menial jobs that no one else does (not competing with traditional businesses and taking jobs away). What'd you rather have? Death or life working 10hrs a day 6 days a week with no pay and no freedom?

 

[911paramedic]

When with the Sheriff's Dept in Marin, I worked a couple executions at San Quentin. I am all for them if they are prosecuted fairly, and/or are caught in the act.

 

[CedarTeeth135]

Yeah except the rate of incorrect convictions is way higher, as proven by DNA evidence alone acquitting a crap load of people.

Fact is the system is bugged and significantly so. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not the fact is it kills a lot of people who don't deserve to die.

Personally I'm against it. Sure some people do deserve to die but the system doesn't save a buck (and to save a buck you have to cut corners) vs. life imprisonment. What it does do is kill the wrong people in many cases (a bit hard to appeal when you're dead). It doesn't make people less likely to commit crimes either.

Ok, I agree with some of your points, and think that they should take down the number of people put on death row, as mistakes will happen. But, If they crime a person if being acccused of, is truly outrageous, you must assume that the world will be a better place with out him/her.

I guess i must change my original opinion and say, that for certain cases, Capiton Punishment is totally acceptable, and should be practiced. The only problem I see is the possibility of an innocent (wo)man givin the death penalty and that is not a problem seen in the death penalty, but is actually placed within the system.

Soooo, the death penalty is great, but the system should be perfected to prevent innocent lives to be taken.

AND, if someone pleads guilty, i don't think they deserve a shorter sentence.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: CedarTeeth135

Yeah except the rate of incorrect convictions is way higher, as proven by DNA evidence alone acquitting a crap load of people.

Fact is the system is bugged and significantly so. Whether you agree with capital punishment or not the fact is it kills a lot of people who don't deserve to die.

Personally I'm against it. Sure some people do deserve to die but the system doesn't save a buck (and to save a buck you have to cut corners) vs. life imprisonment. What it does do is kill the wrong people in many cases (a bit hard to appeal when you're dead). It doesn't make people less likely to commit crimes either.

Ok, I agree with some of your points, and think that they should take down the number of people put on death row, as mistakes will happen. But, If they crime a person if being acccused of, is truly outrageous, you must assume that the world will be a better place with out him/her.


I guess i must change my original opinion and say, that for certain cases, Capiton Punishment is totally acceptable, and should be practiced. The only problem I see is the possibility of an innocent (wo)man givin the death penalty and that is not a problem seen in the death penalty, but is actually placed within the system.

Soooo, the death penalty is great, but the system should be perfected to prevent innocent lives to be taken.

AND, if someone pleads guilty, i don't think they deserve a shorter sentence.

I think it should be pointed out that those who have been aquitted due to DNA testing after conviction probably were convicted before DNA testing was available. I don't think it's very probable to have a crap load of people wrongly convicted today for a capital crime. Maybe for lesser crimes where DNA is not used nor available, but think about it...if DNA were used today to aquit somebody, wouldn't DNA have been used in their original trial? That crap load of people was probably tried long ago (pre-OJ )

I'd also like to point out that the death penalty is only used in capital crimes. Someone mentioned how they didn't think it was a good idea for the death penalty to be considered for "vehicular manslaughter" and similar crimes. Newsflash -- it isn't.

Perhaps, if someday we can legitimately do away with the they contaminated my DNA excuse **subliminal message OJ is Guilty! subliminal message** we can trust the results more. (What'd they say about OJ? There was a 1 in 6,000,000,000 chance that he was innocent but they accused the lab of contaminating his sample?)

I also agree with you that confessing to murder should not gain you leniency. IMO, there should be no deals given for capital crimes.

 

[Dudd]

I'm against it. Hey, if I'm ever convicted of murder, I'd rather be put to death painlessly than have to deal with Bubba in the showers every morning. What I don't understand is the difference between murder and attempted murder. I mean, why should the perp get a lighter sentence just because he has bad aim or just missed stabbing someone in a major artory by a quarter of an inch?