what do you think is the most respected country

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
You can have dual citizenship with the US and most other countries, I know several of them. I live with one of them, if you count Puerto Rico as a seperate country form the US anyway.

Could it be that if you held an American Citizenship that you don't have to relinquish it to become a citizen of another country?

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Bateluer
You can have dual citizenship with the US and most other countries, I know several of them. I live with one of them, if you count Puerto Rico as a seperate country form the US anyway.

Could it be that if you held an American Citizenship that you don't have to relinquish it to become a citizen of another country?

i think it's up to them too...

that was probably the case with murdoch.

 

[flyboy84]

I know plenty of canadian/US citizens

 

[Pepsei]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The USA is the most respected, reviled and feared nation in the world today. Even though we are now being run by a bunch of tight assed douche bags bent on fscking up every thing we have achieved in the past 50 years I'm glad I was born here because when we finally come to our senses as a nation we can vote them out and elect another group of tight assed douche bags who can try and exceed their predecessors in ineptness.

read Goldberg's list, it's not the current administration that has fvcked up America.

george bush and clinton on the list?

 

[PlatinumGold]

i don't get this dual citizenship cr@p.

make a damn commitment. if you want US citizenship, than do it 100% otherwise fvck off. some people think it makes them "special" to hold dual citizenships. :roll: it just means they are non commital.



first off, if you are a foreign national and become a US Citizen, you are supposed to give up your citizenship from the other country.

some people don't and claim dual citizenship, but the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

just because you hold 2 passports and the other country is willing to allow it doesn't mean that the US won't draft you (even if you are in the other country) tax you and hold you accountable to the laws of this country regardless of what the other country wants.

 

[cronos]

there a lot of people with dual citizenship of US and another country. i have several friends who was born here in the US (automatic citizenship) but parents are not US citizen. they grew up abroad but they have birth certificate, SSN, US passport and everything, and they are considered a US citizen.

afaik US policy is "don't ask don't tell", they don't care if you do have another citizenship. most of the problems come from the other citizenship, so if that country has a problem with dual citizenship, people just don't tell their other country that they are a US citizen.

 

[bigal40]

Originally posted by: mobobuff
I'd be a little iffy claiming the United States to be the most respected, but I'd definitely say it's the most famous (infamous?). I wouldn't have wanted to be born anywhere else.

Pretty much same here

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Pepsei

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The USA is the most respected, reviled and feared nation in the world today. Even though we are now being run by a bunch of tight assed douche bags bent on fscking up every thing we have achieved in the past 50 years I'm glad I was born here because when we finally come to our senses as a nation we can vote them out and elect another group of tight assed douche bags who can try and exceed their predecessors in ineptness.

read Goldberg's list, it's not the current administration that has fvcked up America.

george bush and clinton on the list?

read the book

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The USA is the most respected, reviled and feared nation in the world today. Even though we are now being run by a bunch of tight assed douche bags bent on fscking up every thing we have achieved in the past 50 years I'm glad I was born here because when we finally come to our senses as a nation we can vote them out and elect another group of tight assed douche bags who can try and exceed their predecessors in ineptness.

read Goldberg's list, it's not the current administration that has fvcked up America.

Yeah right, that douche bag's publishing company is owned by Rupert Murdoch. He's just another rabid partisan who has taken advantage of the simple mindedness of people like yourself to make his fortune.

there's a kneejerk reaction made without even reading his book.

Great, you've turned into an estrogen charged version of RipRorin.

I tell you what, send me your copy and I'll read it because I'll be damned if either him or Murdoch is going to get any of my hard earned money for that garbage. PM me and I'll give you my shipping addy.

You do have a copy don't you? If not then I would say it was a little disingenuous of you to say my reaction was knee jerk

you know you like your women hot and fiery.

and wth Red, you think i'm going to pay shipping to send a book to you? :laugh:

 

[cronos]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i don't get this dual citizenship cr@p.

make a damn commitment. if you want US citizenship, than do it 100% otherwise fvck off. some people think it makes them "special" to hold dual citizenships. :roll: it just means they are non commital.

well like i said above, sometimes they can't help it if they were born here and get an automatic citizenship.

first off, if you are a foreign national and become a US Citizen, you are supposed to give up your citizenship from the other country. some people don't and claim dual citizenship, but the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

i agree, you have to choose, and i don't think the US formally recognize dual citizenship either. it's just that they don't care too much about it.

just because you hold 2 passports and the other country is willing to allow it doesn't mean that the US won't draft you (even if you are in the other country) tax you and hold you accountable to the laws of this country regardless of what the other country wants.

most of the time it's actually not allowed by the other country.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The USA is the most respected, reviled and feared nation in the world today. Even though we are now being run by a bunch of tight assed douche bags bent on fscking up every thing we have achieved in the past 50 years I'm glad I was born here because when we finally come to our senses as a nation we can vote them out and elect another group of tight assed douche bags who can try and exceed their predecessors in ineptness.

read Goldberg's list, it's not the current administration that has fvcked up America.

Yeah right, that douche bag's publishing company is owned by Rupert Murdoch. He's just another rabid partisan who has taken advantage of the simple mindedness of people like yourself to make his fortune.

there's a kneejerk reaction made without even reading his book.

Great, you've turned into an estrogen charged version of RipRorin.

I tell you what, send me your copy and I'll read it because I'll be damned if either him or Murdoch is going to get any of my hard earned money for that garbage. PM me and I'll give you my shipping addy.

You do have a copy don't you? If not then I would say it was a little disingenuous of you to say my reaction was knee jerk

you know you like your women hot and fiery.

and wth Red, you think i'm going to pay shipping to send a book to you? :laugh:

No, especially when you'd have to go out and spend money yourself just to buy that book.

 

[Amused]

I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

 

[geno]

edit, n/m topic had nothing to do with the thread

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i don't get this dual citizenship cr@p.

make a damn commitment. if you want US citizenship, than do it 100% otherwise fvck off. some people think it makes them "special" to hold dual citizenships. :roll: it just means they are non commital.



first off, if you are a foreign national and become a US Citizen, you are supposed to give up your citizenship from the other country.

some people don't and claim dual citizenship, but the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

just because you hold 2 passports and the other country is willing to allow it doesn't mean that the US won't draft you (even if you are in the other country) tax you and hold you accountable to the laws of this country regardless of what the other country wants.

Or they want to have the flexibility to live and work where they want to. It's just something that fits some people's lifestyles better. Having citizenship means that you don't have to worry about sponsorship and visas and all that red tape that comes with it.

Don't remind me about taxes, I currently get taxed in 3 countries.

 

[brigden]

I am both a British subject (born in England) and a Canadian citizen (since '94). I love both countries equally. Canada is probably a better place to raise a family, but England is more exciting.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
The USA is the most respected, reviled and feared nation in the world today. Even though we are now being run by a bunch of tight assed douche bags bent on fscking up every thing we have achieved in the past 50 years I'm glad I was born here because when we finally come to our senses as a nation we can vote them out and elect another group of tight assed douche bags who can try and exceed their predecessors in ineptness.

Red is pretty much spot on.

USA for me.

 

[Otaking]

Canada :heart:

I seriously need a good health insurance plan

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

Um, no.

If I wasn't born here, I would have emigrated here. This is the most libertarian developed nation on earth.

I give my allegiance to the US not because it is my birthplace, but because it is the country whose founding principles most closely matches my ideology.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

Um, no.

If I wasn't born here, I would have emigrated here. This is the most libertarian developed nation on earth.

I give my allegiance to the US not because it is my birthplace, but because it is the country whose founding principles most closely matches my ideology.

....thats kinda the point i was trying to make...where you are born doesn't matter...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

Um, no.

If I wasn't born here, I would have emigrated here. This is the most libertarian developed nation on earth.

I give my allegiance to the US not because it is my birthplace, but because it is the country whose founding principles most closely matches my ideology.

....thats kinda the point i was trying to make...where you are born doesn't matter...

Well, it does in the fact that emigrating is a real pain in the ass.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

Um, no.

If I wasn't born here, I would have emigrated here. This is the most libertarian developed nation on earth.

I give my allegiance to the US not because it is my birthplace, but because it is the country whose founding principles most closely matches my ideology.

....thats kinda the point i was trying to make...where you are born doesn't matter...

Well, it does in the fact that emigrating is a real pain in the ass.

:beer:

i was lucky, i've ended up with a dual Aus(which gives me NZ as well)/UK (thus EU these days ) citizenship thanks to my folks

but my allegience is 110% in Aus, specifically WA

 

[mrrman]

Canada

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: geno

Originally posted by: Amused
I'm glad I was born in the US and wouldn't want to have been born anywhere else.

Amen.

really who gives a monkeys where you are born

It's the nation you owe your allegience (sp?) to, either by birth or naturalisation that should matter to you...

the only reason you'd make a statement like that would be if that country had significantly better medical technology/health care that was crucial to your birth (and AFAIK there'd be no diffference in most of the developed nations today there)..they question is kinda screwy if you know what i mean...?

Um, no.

If I wasn't born here, I would have emigrated here. This is the most libertarian developed nation on earth.

I give my allegiance to the US not because it is my birthplace, but because it is the country whose founding principles most closely matches my ideology.

....thats kinda the point i was trying to make...where you are born doesn't matter...

Well, it does in the fact that emigrating is a real pain in the ass.

:beer:

i was lucky, i've ended up with a dual Aus(which gives me NZ as well)/UK (thus EU these days ) citizenship thanks to my folks

but my allegience is 110% in Aus, specifically WA

I like Australia and would agree with you, but one issue in particular really burns me. The individual right to keep and bear arms. That, and the slow march to socialism is happening in Australia almost as fast as in the UK.