What Do You Think About Cheating?

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Georgia Tech's latest scandal makes it to the Washington Post.

Shaping the Learning Curve Through a Code

By Jay Mathews
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, April 16, 2002; 6:31 AM


The Georgia Institute of Technology freshman was packing for a family ski trip at his home in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, D.C., last December when he checked his e-mail. He found this message from Georgia Tech's College of Computing:

"Please be advised that your transcript will be reflecting a grade of 'I' [for Incomplete] in CS [Computer Studies] 1321 for Fall Semester 2001," the message said. "Your name has been turned into the Associate Dean of Students, Karen Boyd, for suspicion of academic misconduct on one or more programs."

The student, a graduate of one of the Washington area's best public high schools, said he "felt like someone just dropped a bomb on me emotionally." He had struggled in the computer science class, required of all Georgia Tech freshmen, but had made progress. He was happily expecting a B. Now he faced a possible F in the course and a disciplinary black mark on his academic record. "I felt that I had destroyed my life," he said.

We have been hearing much about cheating. Some public school teachers, including several in Maryland, have lost jobs for allegedly helping students improperly on their state achievement tests. In colleges across the country, students and their professors are still talking about my colleague Amy Argetsinger's story last year revealing that 122 introductory physics courses students at the University of Virginia had been accused of copying parts of their term papers--all because of a new computer program designed to sniff out plagiarists.

We in the media have left the impression that academic pressures and bad upbringing have produced such misbehavior. Many commentators say it threatens the integrity of our schools and the future ethical climate of our workplaces.

I have a different view, and the tale of the Georgia Tech freshman--whom I have promised not to name in exchange for his story--illustrates why I feel that way. I agree that many students are cheating. I don't like that, but we have always been clever and opportunistic primates, willing to take advantage of lax supervision or ill-conceived taboos. There is no evidence that today's students are any more likely to break the rules than any member of the species has ever been.

Do you think I am setting too low a standard? Are you telling me that you don't cheat? Let me ask a few questions: Have you ever exceeded the speed limit? Crossed a street against the light? Parked in a no-parking zone? I thought so. Nearly all of us break the rules, in many instances with potential consequences far more deadly than copying a friend's homework. Having swallowed that dose of reality, let's consider the nature of cheating in schools today, and what we ought to do about it.

The misdeed at Georgia Tech is quite interesting. That fine institution, for reasons that its official spokesman has politely declined to explain to me, forbids its introductory computer science students from seeking any help from other students on their homework. The course honor code says "we don't want to discourage discussion between students about ideas pertaining to this course," but Georgia Tech clearly doesn't mean that. The freshman was only one of 187 computer science students--of the 1,168 students who took the course last fall--accused of cheating last year. Many of the cases appear to be just like his--similarities in a few lines of computer code on a very complicated assignment which he discussed with a friend. All the available evidence indicates the school has done its best to instill fear in any student who might think of even raising the issue of CS 1321 homework with a classmate.

Mary DeCamp, opinions editor of the campus newspaper, Technique, described a reign of terror reminiscent of the rules against unauthorized sex in the George Orwell classic "1984." "An entire day at the beginning of the semester is spent lecturing on the evils of cheating and the horrible things that will happen if you turn in work that has not totally come from your own brain," she said. "You walk around afraid to even mention the words 'computer science' to anyone."

The father of the accused freshman says the university did not make clear the difference between discussion, which some of the rules say is okay, and collaboration, which is not. But the honor code and first-hand accounts from students like DeCamp make it clear that any kind of discussion risks a visit by the homework police. The CS 1321 honor code says "at no time is it acceptable for you to share your solutions to the homework assignments with other students, whether these solutions are complete or partial, nor is it acceptable to compare your solutions with other students."

The accused freshman was trying to overcome a bad start in the class. His first assignment grade had been a 46 percent. He devoted far more time to CS 1321 than any other course. He said he was not going to pass up any chance to get a firmer grip on the material. When he found himself with a homework assignment he did not understand, and no teaching assistants or professors available on a campus off-week, he convinced himself that just chatting with another student would not violate the rules. Many less devoted but perhaps wiser classmates decided not to turn in the assignment at all. It was only 2 percent of their grade. But the freshman wanted to be ready for the final, and that meant doing all the work.

He wanted to learn. That was his big mistake. The university officials who filled in the violation form were forced by the Georgia Tech rules to stray so far from their obligation as educators that they seriously listed part of the freshman?s offense in exactly these words: "He was trying to learn it."

The freshman said he still thinks he is innocent, but found himself so distracted by his fight against the charges that he signed an agreement for a reduced punishment so his second term would not also be a disaster. His fall term B was changed to a C. He agreed to attend an ethics orientation. But several other students are still fighting accusations, which the university says is the reason why it will not discuss the issue with me.

"To engage in a public discussion of the cases, while some students have yet to receive a hearing, could potentially bias the opinions of those who serve on the panels," said Georgia Tech spokesman Robert T. Harty. He said he cannot comment on the freshman's specific case without the student's permission and all university officers would refuse comment for at least the next month until the hearings ended.

That is too bad, because I am eager to hear their defense of such an irrational system. Try your best to learn and you're in trouble. Blow off the assignment and you're safe. And it is getting worse. A brand-new rule says a computer science student is wrong to try to seek answers to questions ANYWHERE other than from course materials or Georgia Tech staff. Rooting around in old books in the library, checking the Internet, calling your cousin at Caltech--all are forbidden.

Every successful educational enterprise I know encourages student discussion and cooperation. Nobody wants to see identical homework assignments (except, of course, if all that is required are the right answers). But the freshman was accused of similarities on 30 out of hundreds of lines of computer code, and his accusers--by their very words on the official form--admitted that he was just trying to solve the problem.

If a student copies but does not learn, he will be unprepared for the tests. That is where security should become an issue. Computer checks, alternate test forms, widely spaced seating--a wise teacher does whatever it takes to make sure she is getting accurate information on how much progress each student has made. It is much easier, and less counterproductive, to do that with good, well-supervised tests, rather than try to ban cooperation on homework.

The Georgia Tech freshman's father has sent letters to several universities and science-oriented high schools complaining about Georgia Tech and asking their views. Gerald L. Boarman, executive director of the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics and the award-winning former principal of Eleanor Roosevelt High School in Prince George's County, Md., said "I find it implausible that there is not something terribly wrong in the Computer Science Department" at Georgia Tech. Christopher Davis, professor of electrical and computer engineering at the University of Maryland, said he found Georgia Tech's "attitude regarding student work incomprehensible. It is common practice at major American universities, including the University of Maryland, for students to be encouraged to engage in teamwork, to learn together, to work on assignments together, so long as they fairly submit their own work at the conclusion of each assignment."

The freshman wants to transfer to another school. I don't blame him. Nobody told him when he was accepted to Georgia Tech that he would be forced to worry about what he said to his roommate about their lessons.

Georgia Tech is too fine an institution to tolerate a speech and homework police. It allows collaboration in other courses and, I hear, may be reevaluating its computer science policy. Cowering in your room, wondering if you have asked too many questions, staying off the Internet is not, as the school fight song says, the way to become a hell of an engineer.


 

Platypus

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"In an age that is utterly corrupt, the best policy is to do as others do." ? Marquis de Sade
 

HappyPuppy

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Cheating is fine for as long as you can get away with it. You might cheat your way through college and you might even cheat your way into a job, but when it comes down to getting the job done, you are toast.
 

Ns1

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2-3 lines of code copied is considered cheating

you're expected to sit alone while whoring it on ATOT and do programs, you are not allowed to speak with another student regarding the programs

ie you = screwed
 

etech

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I'm taking Georgia off of the list of states that I might want to retire to. No offense to anyone from Georgia but dang their are a lot of morons there.

That is in reference to our esteemed board member who was charged in the Distributed Computing case and the *itch of a congresswoman they have there.


So sue me, I only searched on Georgia.
The fast mod must be on duty tonight.

Search wouldn't have worked anyway. He beat you by only two minutes.:)

AnandTech Moderator


 

nirgis

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What is the point of this article?

To demonstrate that cheating is ok? That those that cling to moralism are over-bearing matriarical figures? Sure cooperation between students is understandable- to a point. When the student blatently knows his actions are anything less than morally sound then yes, he is cheating. To pass of cheating as an excuse because

<<we have always been clever and opportunistic primates, willing to take advantage of lax supervision or ill-conceived taboos.>>

is complete nonsense and is the retoric of those who wish to defend their actions against any argument

Furthermore, I find this comment to be completely useless

<<Do you think I am setting too low a standard? Are you telling me that you don't cheat? Let me ask a few questions: Have you ever exceeded the speed limit? Crossed a street against the light? Parked in a no-parking zone? I thought so. Nearly all of us break the rules, in many instances with potential consequences far more deadly than copying a friend's homework. Having swallowed that dose of reality, let's consider the nature of cheating in schools today, and what we ought to do about it.>>


By engaging in a scholarly activity, one enters a certain, unspoken contract of proper behavior. It is too sad that our finest institutions have been transformed into watchdogs
 

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Yes, part of me thinks these whiners are nothing but bed-wetting liberals. You have to be a Tech student or alum to appreciate The Shaft!
 

QTPie

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<<What is the point of this article?>>

Don't cheat and never will.
Or try to come up with some "new and improve" cheating techniques :Q

I hate people who copy my works.
 
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There was an article my IS 595 prof passed out last summer, very similar to this. What really has people poohing their pants is that profs are able to go back retro-actively and look. Some university up north (wish I could remember the name) revoked something like 13 peoples degrees for plagarisim on papers they had done. Funny thing was that they had graduated several years prior. I have had a couple of profs that require everything to be submitted electronically, and I know they store them somewhere. I'm sure they've been checked.

The potential benefits of cheating are far shadowed by not only getting caught now, but at ANY point in the future. Would suck to have the degree revoked 8 years later wouldn't it? You betcha.
 

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<< <<What is the point of this article?>>

Don't cheat and never will.
Or try to come up with some "new and improve" cheating techniques :Q

I hate people who copy my works.
>>



it was a retorical question
 

Vic

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Did anyone actually read the article? This isn't about cheating on tests, that is clearly wrong. But since when did it become cheating to discuss your homework with your friends or study at the library? When I was in school, cram sessions on homework with classmates and long hours in the library were the norm. Now this is considered cheating? :confused:
Man, you are clearly one fscked generation.
 

Maleficus

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I cheat ALL THE TIME. I'm in High School and the work is so boring and pointless, its constant busy work that they think is challenging and blah blah. i do nothing. me and my friends copy everything from each other because the work is a waste of our time.

 

Braves

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I used to despise cheating back in middle school. I found school to be easy and didn't spend more then 30 minutes on all my homework throughout the 8th grade, recieving high marks in all my classes. Then high school struck, I found I wasn't prepared, had bad study habits, and not only didn't get a 4.0, but barely squeezed out a 3.3 or so my freshman year. Cheating helped my self esteem and reputation while I got my study habits together, and now I don't cheat anymore. I needed something to keep me going while I got myself together, and cheating, no matter how bad I used to think it was, helped me do that. I think there are times when it's okay to cheat, hell, i mean everyone else is doing it eh? Just make sure you don't depend on it because it will come back to bite you in the ass and you'll be worse off then before.
 

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Did anyone actually read the article? This isn't about cheating on tests, that is clearly wrong. But since when did it become cheating to discuss your homework with your friends or study at the library? When I was in school, cram sessions on homework with classmates and long hours in the library were the norm. Now this is considered cheating?

Because it is on a program, they have programs to tell how close they are, and if they are to close then you are screwed.
And how about when a program is worth as much as a test?
It isn't that you can't discuss it at most places, its that you can't take notes or make changes to it while you are talking to someone else.
 

gopunk

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But since when did it become cheating to discuss your homework with your friends or study at the library?

it never has and never will.

the freshman was accused of similarities on 30 out of hundreds of lines of computer code

is the author a f*cking retard? he can't see that this kid copied 30 lines of code? that does not just come out of "discussing" imho. i hate how this author makes it seem like simply discussing something is prohibited. you are free to discuss concepts all you want. just don't discuss the f*cking code!
 

HiveMaster

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Please tell me that, somewhere in the article, they talk about extramarital sex.

Please.

Don't make me read the whole thing.
 

Jzero

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This is ridiculous!
In the real world, computer programmers work as teams and are constantly sharing their knowledge and information. Are these idiots training students for the real world, or just trying to kick up the suicide rate?!

MY first day in CS classes, along with the standard warning against cheating and copying code, the teacher said "Get to know everyone in this room very well. There will come a time when you are completely stonewalled on a problem at 3AM that is due at 8AM. These are the people you are going to call for help.

If people turned in identical code, they'd be in big sh!t. But at my school, working together was encouraged and was frequently required.

As the writer suggests--catch the leeches at the testing phase. Countless times I asked friends for help and they asked me. We never shared code, just ideas.
If I had copied and not learned, how did I graduate with such a high GPA?
 

gopunk

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<< Please tell me that, somewhere in the article, they talk about extramarital sex.

Please.

Don't make me read the whole thing.
>>




i'll sum it up for you: ignorant writer has no clue what he's talking about.
 

gopunk

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In the real world, computer programmers work as teams and are constantly sharing their knowledge and information. Are these idiots training students for the real world, or just trying to kick up the suicide rate?!

they encourage students to help each other with concepts. however, the 30 lines of copied code... that's not allowed.
 

Jzero

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<< In the real world, computer programmers work as teams and are constantly sharing their knowledge and information. Are these idiots training students for the real world, or just trying to kick up the suicide rate?!

they encourage students to help each other with concepts. however, the 30 lines of copied code... that's not allowed.
>>



We'll assume that the computer-savvy folks in the state of GA know how to operate their little comparator program and realize something like
import java.lang.*;

in a java program cannot possible considered plagiarism.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I must ask how you would explain this line from the article:


<< A brand-new rule says a computer science student is wrong to try to seek answers to questions ANYWHERE other than from course materials or Georgia Tech staff. Rooting around in old books in the library, checking the Internet, calling your cousin at Caltech--all are forbidden. >>


 

gopunk

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Giving them the benefit of the doubt, I must ask how you would explain this line from the article:


<< A brand-new rule says a computer science student is wrong to try to seek answers to questions ANYWHERE other than from course materials or Georgia Tech staff. Rooting around in old books in the library, checking the Internet, calling your cousin at Caltech--all are forbidden. >>



i have a strong suspicion it's because they're sick and tired of whiny cheaters like this saying the rules were unclear. kinda like those no-tolerance policies... not really a good idea, agreed.

i really do not think this student is as innocent as this article makes him out to be.