What do you really know about the tea party?

[ivwshane]

Most people would agree, during the height of the tea party popularity, that the original movement was overtaken by corporate interests however this article says it was much more nefarious than that.

http://time.com/secret-origins-of-t...crowdfire&utm_medium=social&utm_source=social

We were met by several of Philip Morris’s state-based government affairs experts, all of whom had significant experience in building coalitions with an eye toward blocking regulations they didn’t like at the state level. The concept that CSE put on the conference table, which was quickly taken up by the Philip Morris staff, was a bit shocking to me. They proposed an unholy alliance—Philip Morris money commingled with Koch money to create anti-tax front groups in a handful of states that would battle any tax that moved. It would make no difference what kind of tax—the front groups could battle cigarette excise taxes in the Northeast and refined-oil fees at the coasts. Any tax, for any purpose, was bad—and these front groups would tackle them all, with Philip Morris and the Kochs behind them.

Good thing Republicans are making it easier for dark money to influence our politics.

 

[Greenman]

Is the Tea party still around? I haven't heard anything about them in months, maybe years.

 

[shortylickens]

they exist, they just arent getting attention like they used to.
and I think if we're honest, all they really wanted was attention. they didnt have the organization and planning to get much else.

 

[ivwshane]

Is the Tea party still around? I haven't heard anything about them in months, maybe years.

Find another thread, I don't have time to baby you until you get the point of it.

 

[nickqt]

The tea party never existed. They were all Republicans who scraped off their Bush/Cheney bumper stickers and put on tricorner hats. Just like the Republicans who claimed to be Independents, or Constitutional Conservatives.

They voted Republican before 2010. They voted Republican in 2010. They vote Republican now.

 

[ivwshane]

The tea party never existed. They were all Republicans who scraped off their Bush/Cheney bumper stickers and put on tricorner hats. Just like the Republicans who claimed to be Independents, or Constitutional Conservatives.

They voted Republican before 2010. They voted Republican in 2010. They vote Republican now.

That's not the issue. The issue is how deep and pervasive into American politics the kochs and Philip Morris are. Their reach is more widespread than simply backing a splinter group of Republicans. This is bigger than companies lobbying government to influence policies.

If these were Russians doing these things, people would be screaming bloody murder.


I get the impression that people haven't read the article.

 

[compuwiz1]

What do I know?
Sarah Palin and cock money.

 

[ivwshane]

What do I know?
Sarah Palin and cock money.

You must be so embarrassed to have been used by big money. Or, as a useful idiot, do you justify it?

 

[compuwiz1]

You must be so embarrassed to have been used by big money. Or, as a useful idiot, do you justify it?

Not me. I had no involvement and was not a tea party supporter. But, I'm sure you just enjoyed calling me a useful idiot. Nice job there, fucktard!

 

[trenchfoot]

Doesn't surprise me at all that these "movements" are contrived by big moneyed interests, for big moneyed interests, of big moneyed interests. That they have taken over the Repub Party is absolutely no surprise as with their having used the "party" as their tool for launching any and all of their corporate agendas.

The only thing that still amazes me about that "party" is how the corporate owners of that "party" have managed to keep control of a pool of working class voters that reliably and consistently vote against their own best interests.

 

[darkswordsman17]

OP, I don't really think most people are surprised by this. Hell even general dumbfucks already assumed that both parties were doing this to some high level. Of course they're ignorant in that they refuse to see how one sided that actually has been.

I'm also not at all surprised that they hijacked Libertarianism as their vessel for pushing this agenda, but that started before then even. But its certainly worked on lots of dumbfucks that are too stupid to notice how much their Cato Institute fed Libertarianism sure looks a lot like the Republican platform of the past 30 years. As long as they keep trotting out claimed support of marijuana legalization or other things (they super are for Medicare/aid for all, just so long as it doesn't involve doing anything about health problems caused by corporations), they'll keep duping those idiots and other idiots (like single issue potheads). I mean, for a group that's anti-government they sure spend a shitload of money trying to run the government and protect their business interests (which is much more than them just trying to fight taxes).

 

[ivwshane]

Not me. I had no involvement and was not a tea party supporter. But, I'm sure you just enjoyed calling me a useful idiot. Nice job there, fucktard!

You weren't a tea partier? You just defended it when people spoke negatively about it?

 

[Jhhnn]

Is the Tea party still around? I haven't heard anything about them in months, maybe years.

It's been re-labeled as the Freedom Caucus. Mark Meadows & Jim Jordan are prominent members.

 

[ivwshane]

OP, I don't really think most people are surprised by this. Hell even general dumbfucks already assumed that both parties were doing this to some high level. Of course they're ignorant in that they refuse to see how one sided that actually has been.

I'm also not at all surprised that they hijacked Libertarianism as their vessel for pushing this agenda, but that started before then even. But its certainly worked on lots of dumbfucks that are too stupid to notice how much their Cato Institute fed Libertarianism sure looks a lot like the Republican platform of the past 30 years. As long as they keep trotting out claimed support of marijuana legalization or other things (they super are for Medicare/aid for all, just so long as it doesn't involve doing anything about health problems caused by corporations), they'll keep duping those idiots and other idiots (like single issue potheads). I mean, for a group that's anti-government they sure spend a shitload of money trying to run the government and protect their business interests (which is much more than them just trying to fight taxes).

The surprise comes from how large their effort was. To lobby for a cause is one thing, to plant people in a movement all across the country and to create multiple organizations to influence citizens and get them to unite and rally on behalf of your cause its another. Its the Russian playbook before the Russians even wrote one page.

 

[zinfamous]

Overtaken by corporate interests? It was the brainchild of Dick Army and the financing of the Koch brothers. It was the primary Koch brain-capture of the GOP.

It was never, not at any second, a "grassroots movement."

 

[brycejones]

Overtaken by corporate interests? It was the brainchild of Dick Army and the financing of the Koch brothers. It was the primary Koch brain-capture of the GOP.

It was never, not at any second, a "grassroots movement."

So much this, and their (Insert state name here) for Prosperity groups frequently have multiple Koch employees on their boards.

 

[UNCjigga]

Overtaken by corporate interests? It was the brainchild of Dick Army and the financing of the Koch brothers. It was the primary Koch brain-capture of the GOP.

It was never, not at any second, a "grassroots movement."

Ssshhhh, don’t tell Glenn Beck...

 

[Puffnstuff]

What do I know?
Sarah Palin and cock money.

Something like that, however, Sarah brandishing a firearm is even scarier.

 

[Jaskalas]

What do you really know about the tea party?

I know a bunch of Republicans broke with party lines and pushed a more extreme policy and made a lot of noise over the Affordable Care Act. I know that it appealed to Libertarians more than the GOP. I also believe they never gained traction and after some losses to the GOP they simply folded. Not much of a party, more of a contingent of discontent voters. A voting bloc within the Republican Party.

It's a popular narrative of the Republican Party that our government is the "enemy". That its growth and its size are the enemy of a free people. That the government is "out" to get us. Tea Party was a concept of taking that idea literally and then reacting accordingly. Pander to an idea, foster a voting bloc, and then it gets out of control. Like setting a fire, but with bad ideas.

Ultimately it was the idea of opposing Bush's centrism that really appealed to me. Less government, less wars. The Republicans would never deliver on that, so the Tea Party was meant to force the issue. As I said, a contingent of discontent voters.

 

[Greenman]

Find another thread, I don't have time to baby you until you get the point of it.

No, I think I'll keep posting in this one.

 

[Stokely]

Enough to know they are my enemy, along with most of the modern GOP.

 

[vi edit]

It's been re-labeled as the Freedom Caucus. Mark Meadows & Jim Jordan are prominent members.

Exactly. Same shitty core. Different name.

 

[Younigue]

This is what I know about the tea party... They're full of hate.

 

[Younigue]

You must be so embarrassed to have been used by big money. Or, as a useful idiot, do you justify it?

They're not embarrassed. Trump has told them to be proud of their hate and ignorance.

 

[Younigue]

Not me. I had no involvement and was not a tea party supporter. But, I'm sure you just enjoyed calling me a useful idiot. Nice job there, fucktard!

I have a better word for you and it applies to you even better than useful idiot. Traitor.