What do you make of the Dems all night Senate session?
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A big publicity stunt, but at least they are in town and at their job. The Republican Congress only worked 3 days a week and Bush is the laziest president ever, taking more vacations than Reagan.
Publicity stunt. I guess they have to do something a bit unorthodox get some attention, though. If it was done during the day the media would just say "another day of debate about Iraq in the Senate" and no one would pay any attention.
While I realize all the softies (on both sides of the aisle) feel like they are making a sacrifice, just because they are giving up some sleep isn't going to convince anyone they're working hard.
It's on C-SPAN 2 by the way, if anyone needs something to put them to sleep.
While I realize all the softies (on both sides of the aisle) feel like they are making a sacrifice, just because they are giving up some sleep isn't going to convince anyone they're working hard.
It's on C-SPAN 2 by the way, if anyone needs something to put them to sleep.
Whoozyerdaddy
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They seem to be taking my advice finally. Not that it will work. They should have started these tactics the moment they took control instead of waiting for their approval ratings to drop south of the Iraq war. Now it looks like a cheap stunt.
That is an amazing account of the situation. Everyday a new thread pops up about how Bush has destroyed this country more than any president. For being the laziest president he still got a lot stuff done.
Or is this more of the left logic like Bush is a complete idiot when he isnt stealing two elections, pulling off the biggest conspiracy in 9-11, conning the entire world on Iraq, , and listening in on everybodys phone call while reading billions of email a day.
I guess you don't consider the R's having a policy of complete obstruction to be a cheap theatre trick?
Their current "strategy" is to prevent legislation of any kind from passing, talk about crying in your soup.
Also, hope you sign up for Marines so you can personally pwn Iran in the face with your Kbar.
You seem to have a firm grasp on the guy.
Explain how he has not destroyed the Country and what you see what good he has done.
As they called the last all-nighter, done by Republicans in 2004 for judicial appointments, its just a circus.
I call it a freak show.
They don't have the votes.
I still support their effort to keep the debate open and to keep the public aware of it, even it means getting silly about it with little stunts like this. Just as with the failed Immigration Bill they are going to need to sell the average American on this enough to call their Congressmen.
I call it a freak show.
They don't have the votes.
I still support their effort to keep the debate open and to keep the public aware of it, even it means getting silly about it with little stunts like this. Just as with the failed Immigration Bill they are going to need to sell the average American on this enough to call their Congressmen.
I despise all politicians, but this situation is exactly why I wanted the Dems to win the congressional elections. Legislation has to be talked about, debated and publicized now. Republicans can't pass any ol' bill into law anymore.
Oh, I love the arguing and the theatrics.... It's what democracy is all about.
Oh, I love the arguing and the theatrics.... It's what democracy is all about.
What's even funnier is how the Dems conned you into thinking they want to leave Iraq. Look at Hillary's plan for "withdrawal" and get back to me.
The Dems want to stay in Iraq more than some of the Repubs.
Lemon law
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- Nov 6, 2005
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As I said in another thread---its the Republicans who have to come aboard to make any congressional action stick---and its gonna take 60+ votes in the Senate.
The fact that Lugar and Warner now lead a block of dissenting GOP moderates is precisely the issue. It simply means GWB's days as a sole decider are numbered---and sooner or later the dissenting GOP will join the dems and present GWB with something with too many votes to veto.
But for a time, Lugar and Warner will want to engage in the fantasy that their plan and the whole 10-15 Senate votes they can muster will carry the day. And in a few weeks or a month, they will wake up to the reality that they still have the same problem--GWB&co. is still leading the GOP into certain defeat in Iraq and by extension the 08 elections. And will hopefully then start dealing with the democratic majority to craft a bi-partisan bill and most likely with a minimum of publicity. And once a Senate Bill emerges that can also attract Republican support---it will sail through the Senate like a hot knife through butter. GWB&co
can engage in the ceremony of a veto, but will then get it crammed right back down their throat as they over-ride his veto.
But there was still nothing wrong with what the Dems did last night---it may not have produced any fruit---but American can make no mistake---the dems are assailing the fortress of stupidity---and they know if this attack does not succeed, a later charge will.
The fact that Lugar and Warner now lead a block of dissenting GOP moderates is precisely the issue. It simply means GWB's days as a sole decider are numbered---and sooner or later the dissenting GOP will join the dems and present GWB with something with too many votes to veto.
But for a time, Lugar and Warner will want to engage in the fantasy that their plan and the whole 10-15 Senate votes they can muster will carry the day. And in a few weeks or a month, they will wake up to the reality that they still have the same problem--GWB&co. is still leading the GOP into certain defeat in Iraq and by extension the 08 elections. And will hopefully then start dealing with the democratic majority to craft a bi-partisan bill and most likely with a minimum of publicity. And once a Senate Bill emerges that can also attract Republican support---it will sail through the Senate like a hot knife through butter. GWB&co
can engage in the ceremony of a veto, but will then get it crammed right back down their throat as they over-ride his veto.
But there was still nothing wrong with what the Dems did last night---it may not have produced any fruit---but American can make no mistake---the dems are assailing the fortress of stupidity---and they know if this attack does not succeed, a later charge will.
That is for another 40 days, then the rest will jump ship. But hey another 30-40 soldiers being dead doesn't really matter, what matters right now is scoring political points, regardless if they are going to do a complete 180 in a little over a month.
Great strategy there, in fact they should send out preemptive letters to all the families of the soldiers and marines currently serving, to let them know that if their son or daughter happens to die between now and September that their sacrifice was well worth it, there is no higher purpose than serving the sad sack R's in the senate and protecting their political asses.
It's pretty goddamn infuriating if you would open your eyes and shelve your talking points for a minute.
Starbuck1975
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- Jan 6, 2005
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There was a lot of interesting commentary about this last night on CNN...both parties are guilty of political shenanigans and cheap parlor tricks, so you have to look past that and understand why the Democrats chose this course of action.
While Bush and the Republican Presidential candidates are not enjoying very strong polling, neither is the Democrat Congress.
The recent reports of Al Quaida gaining strength again is starting to play into the minds of voters, with both Iraq and Al Quaida remaining the focal point of the 2008 election...while many Americans want us out of Iraq, they want to also ensure that our leaving Iraq will not make us vulnerable to future attacks should Iraq become a safe haven from which Al Quaida can reorganize...granted, Bush created this mess, but we cannot afford to simply walk away from it now.
The Democrat Presidential candidates are in a particularly vulnerable position...they have to appease their anti-war constituency and talk tough on Iraq, but at the same time, they also have to address the Al Quaida threat...given that Iraq and Al Quaida are now very much connected due to our meddling, very difficult to differentiate the two.
The American public gave the Democrats control of Congress based largely with its frustration over how the Republican Congress essentially gave Bush a rubber stamp...however, Americans are similarly growing frustrated with the Democrats inability to do much of anything.
So this political maneuver was basically a message to the American people that they are trying...it is an attempt to frame the Republicans as holding things up.
While Bush and the Republican Presidential candidates are not enjoying very strong polling, neither is the Democrat Congress.
The recent reports of Al Quaida gaining strength again is starting to play into the minds of voters, with both Iraq and Al Quaida remaining the focal point of the 2008 election...while many Americans want us out of Iraq, they want to also ensure that our leaving Iraq will not make us vulnerable to future attacks should Iraq become a safe haven from which Al Quaida can reorganize...granted, Bush created this mess, but we cannot afford to simply walk away from it now.
The Democrat Presidential candidates are in a particularly vulnerable position...they have to appease their anti-war constituency and talk tough on Iraq, but at the same time, they also have to address the Al Quaida threat...given that Iraq and Al Quaida are now very much connected due to our meddling, very difficult to differentiate the two.
The American public gave the Democrats control of Congress based largely with its frustration over how the Republican Congress essentially gave Bush a rubber stamp...however, Americans are similarly growing frustrated with the Democrats inability to do much of anything.
So this political maneuver was basically a message to the American people that they are trying...it is an attempt to frame the Republicans as holding things up.
:laugh: Let me guess, you're a winnerist? Hurray for victory in Iraq. Hurray for madness.:laugh:
CaptnKirk
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Technically, the bill was defeated in that it failed to obtain the 60/40 split that is required for advancement,
which is also below the 67/33 split that would show that is can overcome a veto at the executive level.
Say What?
Role Call
However - by coming in at 52/47 with one vote not having been cast either way (The incapacitated Senator Johnson, D-SD)
It does serve notice to the voting public as to who the politicians are who tell them one thing while pandering in the district,
then go and do something completely different when it comes to taking sides with the Administration's policies.
Underscoring the deceit by GOP Senators, who say that they oppose the war, but still support the war behind the voters backs
When 2008 rolls around, you can be pretty much assured that those obstructionist Republicans will loose in their districts when the
votes are in, having only collected the support of that 20% extremist single-issue voter, who are praying for Armageddon.
The sane voters will purge the House and Senate of most of the Shills who continue to pander and remain clueless about truth and facts.
Typical GOP voter identified
Not all of the GOP obstructionist dead-weights will be able to be removed in the 2008 cycle, as only 1/3 normally cycle up on the
2-year phase in the Senate, but ALL the House will be called to task, and if the GOP is counting on enough of their sycophants
being able to weather the storm until the average voter forgets about the issues, it most likely will be a strategy that fails them.
The 2010 Election will snare those who think that they can skate through unpunished, and when 20120 cycles up the Lieberman
type of back-stabbing cheats will finally be removed as well - The people of the United States are tired of being cheated upon.
it does show a collective advancement of the desire of the general population of the country to terminate Bush's Excellent Adventure in Stupidity.
which is also below the 67/33 split that would show that is can overcome a veto at the executive level.
Say What?
Role Call
However - by coming in at 52/47 with one vote not having been cast either way (The incapacitated Senator Johnson, D-SD)
It does serve notice to the voting public as to who the politicians are who tell them one thing while pandering in the district,
then go and do something completely different when it comes to taking sides with the Administration's policies.
Underscoring the deceit by GOP Senators, who say that they oppose the war, but still support the war behind the voters backs
When 2008 rolls around, you can be pretty much assured that those obstructionist Republicans will loose in their districts when the
votes are in, having only collected the support of that 20% extremist single-issue voter, who are praying for Armageddon.
The sane voters will purge the House and Senate of most of the Shills who continue to pander and remain clueless about truth and facts.
Typical GOP voter identified
Not all of the GOP obstructionist dead-weights will be able to be removed in the 2008 cycle, as only 1/3 normally cycle up on the
2-year phase in the Senate, but ALL the House will be called to task, and if the GOP is counting on enough of their sycophants
being able to weather the storm until the average voter forgets about the issues, it most likely will be a strategy that fails them.
The 2010 Election will snare those who think that they can skate through unpunished, and when 20120 cycles up the Lieberman
type of back-stabbing cheats will finally be removed as well - The people of the United States are tired of being cheated upon.
it does show a collective advancement of the desire of the general population of the country to terminate Bush's Excellent Adventure in Stupidity.
- Jul 28, 2006
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52-47!! that is it? They got two Republicans to vote for the thing and that is all?
In the house they also only got 2 to vote for it.
Meanwhile 10 Democrats in the house voted against it.
The Democrats are SO far away from being able to stop the war at this point that they should stop trying and instead work on passing of the bills sitting around waiting for action.
6 months into their term and congress has not really done anything other than fund the war and pass a wage increase...
In the house they also only got 2 to vote for it.
Meanwhile 10 Democrats in the house voted against it.
The Democrats are SO far away from being able to stop the war at this point that they should stop trying and instead work on passing of the bills sitting around waiting for action.
6 months into their term and congress has not really done anything other than fund the war and pass a wage increase...
umbrella39
Lifer
- Jun 11, 2004
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Sounds like a boring way to spend an evening. The dems will not get the 60 votes they need until maybe September. Even then another 8 or so will have to publically state the obvious, they have zero faith in this president's decision making or policies and that is unlikely imo.
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