What do you know about CAIR and its Members?

[Vich]

I was reading about CAIR the Council on American-Islamic Relations and its members and was disturbed to find out how many connections the higher up members have to Islamic Terror Organizations.

There are plenty of facts that show that the organizations that fund terrorism also fund CAIR. The Islamic Association of Palestine is an Islamic terrorist organization that raised funds in the US for terrorist attacks in Israel. Are you aware that CAIR's co-founder, Omar Ahmed, also co-founded the Islamic Association for Palestine? CAIR's executive director, Nihad Awad, has described himself as a "supporter of the Hamas movement. You did know that lower-level CAIR officials have been arrested and indicted on terrorism-related charges in the United States?

Here are some more facts for you

The Saudi-based Islamic Development Bank, gave CAIR $250,000 in August 1999. The IDB also manages funds (Al-Quds, Al-Aqsa) which finance suicide bombings against Israeli civilians by providing funds to the families of Palestinian "martyrs."

The International Institute of Islamic Thought, an organization linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, gave CAIR's Washington office $14,000 in 2003, according to IIIT tax filings. David Kane, who investigated IIIT as part of Operation Green Quest's probe into some one hundred companies and organizations, described in a sworn affidavit the various ways in which it may have funded suspected terrorist-front organizations.

The International Relief Organization (also called the International Islamic Relief Organization, or IIRO), a Saudi-financed organization being investigated by the U.S. Senate Committee on Finance for terrorism financing donated at least $12,000 to CAIR.

Randall Royer, CAIR's communications specialist and civil rights coordinator, was indicted on charges of conspiring to help Al-Qaeda and the Taliban to battle American troops in Afghanistan. He later pled guilty to lesser firearms-related charges and was sentenced to twenty years in prison.

Ghassan Elashi, the founder of CAIR's Texas chapter, was convicted in July 2004 along with his four brothers of having illegally shipped computers from their Dallas-area business, InfoCom Corporation, to Libya and Syria, two designated state sponsors of terrorism. In April of 2005, Elashi and two brothers were also convicted of knowingly doing business with Mousa Abu Marzook, a senior Hamas leader and Specially Designated Terrorist. He continues to face charges that he provided more than $12.4 million to Hamas while he was running the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), America's largest Islamic charity.

Bassem Khafagi, CAIR's community relations director, pleaded guilty in September 2003 to lying on his visa application and for passing bad checks for substantial amounts in early 2001, for which he was deported. Khafagi was also a founding member and president of the Islamic Assembly of North America (IANA), an organization under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice for terrorism-related activities.

Rabih Haddad, a CAIR fundraiser, was arrested on terrorism-related charges and deported from the United States due to his subsequent work as executive director of the Global Relief Foundation, a charity he co-founded; in October 2002, GRF was designated by the U.S. Treasury Department for financing Al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. According to a CAIR complaint, Homam Albaroudi, a member of CAIR's Michigan chapter and also a founding member and executive director of the IANA also founded the Free Rabih Haddad Committee.

Siraj Wahhaj, a CAIR advisory board member, was named in 1995 by U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White as a possible unindicted co-conspirator in connection with the plot to blow up New York City landmarks led by the blind sheikh, Omar Abdul Rahman.

Ihsan Bagby, a future CAIR board member, stated in the late 1980s that Muslims "can never be full citizens of this country," referring to the United States, "because there is no way we can be fully committed to the institutions and ideologies of this country."

Ibrahim Hooper, the future CAIR spokesman, told the Minneapolis Star Tribune on April 4, 1993: "I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future."

Omar Ahmad, CAIR's chairman, announced in July 1998 that "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

Check out Anti-CAIR

Some of the same names but with more detail.

Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a ?Ismail? Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison
for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons
who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan.
Royer?s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a
terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi?s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,
and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things,
making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy
and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing,
has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble
unless it accepts Islam.

Rabih Haddad served as a CAIR Fundraiser. Haddad was co-founder of the Global Relief Foundation (?GRF?).
GRF was designated by the US Treasury Department for financing the Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations
and its assets were frozen by the US Government on December 14, 2001.

Consistent with Hamas ideology, CAIR has served as a conduit for the distribution of materials and funds from foreign nationals
to groups and institutions within the United States for the purpose of promoting radical Islam and Hamas ideology,
and attacked Islamic clerics and scholars who reject radical Islam and the Hamas agenda.

 

[Bowfinger]

Why don't you get back to us once you've identified the "higher up members" of anti-cair-net.org and their connections. It's always interesting to out the slime behind such racist propaganda.

:laugh:

 

[Aimster]

prove that members of CAIR financed terror with the intent to cause harm.

If so they wouldn't be in the U.S.A

 

[jrenz]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's always interesting to out the slime behind such racist propaganda.

Funny, most everything I've heard out of CAIR since 9/11 has been racist propoganda.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
prove that members of CAIR financed terror with the intent to cause harm.

If so they wouldn't be in the U.S.A

Wow, maybe if you read the post before responding you would have seen that many of them either got arrested, deported, or had there assets frozen.

 

[Aimster]

This all happened around a certain time period.
That time period has passed.

Thus none of them are members of CAIR anymore.

Am I wrong?

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
This all happened around a certain time period.
That time period has passed.

Thus none of them are members of CAIR anymore.

Am I wrong?

That is as silly as saying, if the Mafia does criminal work then they would be caught. Therefore there aren't any mafioso's around.
Am i wrong?



The apple does not fall far from the tree, if so many members were already apprehended I wonder how many more are under investigation.

I have yet to see aimster take the side apposing terrorism in any of the recent posts.

 

[cwjerome]

Interesting that the typical Liberal response is a kneejerk accusation of racism. I know nothing about "anti-CAIR" but maybe some evidence of racism would be useful.

I am familiar with CAIR, which I believe is basically the PR/Propaganda wing of militant Islam in America. They use all the tactics... accusations of bigotry, etc, and generally supporting everything that is wrong with Islamic extremism today.

Someday there might a reform-minded organization more in line with western-secular values.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Interesting that the typical Liberal response is a kneejerk accusation of racism. I know nothing about "anti-CAIR" but maybe some evidence of racism would be useful.

I am familiar with CAIR, which I believe is basically the PR/Propaganda wing of militant Islam in America. They use all the tactics... accusations of bigotry, etc, and generally supporting everything that is wrong with Islamic extremism today.

Someday there might a reform-minded organization more in line with western-secular values.

Yeah, one more like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: jrenz

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
It's always interesting to out the slime behind such racist propaganda.

Funny, most everything I've heard out of CAIR since 9/11 has been racist propoganda.

Let's assume that's so, just for the sake of argument. Is it your contention that two wrongs make a right?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Interesting that the typical Liberal response is a kneejerk accusation of racism. I know nothing about "anti-CAIR" but maybe some evidence of racism would be useful. ...

Did you look at their site?

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Interesting that the typical Liberal response is a kneejerk accusation of racism. I know nothing about "anti-CAIR" but maybe some evidence of racism would be useful. ...

Did you look at their site?

Please point out Anti-CAIR's racist propaganda.

 

[Aimster]

So a few of their members got in trouble for donating to the wrong groups. Those groups are not terrorist against the U.S.
Palestinians donate lots of money to Palestine, but unfortunately for them their country is so corrupt that you are going to have a hard time giving money to the right group.

So if a Palestinian man wanted to help his people today and he donated money to the Palestinian govt, would his actions be justified as terror?
Would you honestly think his goal was to send that money to Palestine to kill people?

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: cumhail

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Interesting that the typical Liberal response is a kneejerk accusation of racism. I know nothing about "anti-CAIR" but maybe some evidence of racism would be useful.

I am familiar with CAIR, which I believe is basically the PR/Propaganda wing of militant Islam in America. They use all the tactics... accusations of bigotry, etc, and generally supporting everything that is wrong with Islamic extremism today.

Someday there might a reform-minded organization more in line with western-secular values.

Yeah, one more like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal

If you say so.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
So a few of their members got in trouble for donating to the wrong groups. Those groups are not terrorist against the U.S.
Palestinians donate lots of money to Palestine, but unfortunately for them their country is so corrupt that you are going to have a hard time giving money to the right group.

So if a Palestinian man wanted to help his people today and he donated money to the Palestinian govt, would his actions be justified as terror?
Would you honestly think his goal was to send that money to Palestine to kill people?

Yeah Hell we all have been known to donate to terrorists groups. Doesnt mean nothing does it?

Aimster I am beginning to believe you post just to nef.

Because honestly you are about as logical as a doorknob.

 

[Aimster]

Yeah I just like the nef

the purpose of the legal system is innocent until proven guilty

CAIR is full of lawyers who protect Muslims in the U.S.

So if they were to ever god-forbid defend a man on trial for terror, they must be evil.

Never defend the innocent. Always assume they are guilty if they are Muslims. Gotcha.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Yeah I just like the nef

the purpose of the legal system is innocent until proven guilty

CAIR is full of lawyers who protect Muslims in the U.S.

So if they were to ever god-forbid defend a man on trial for terror, they must be evil.

Never defend the innocent. Always assume they are guilty if they are Muslims. Gotcha.

Or we can be ignorant like you and think:

"Oh Mr. X donated money to this terror group and so did his boss and his vice president"
"Oh and the communications directory was imprisoned for sending dell computers to known terrorists"

But hey the organization is a good one they just by accident did this.

Get your head out of the sand Aimster. Your bleeding heart liberal views are even worse than the ACLU if thats possible.

 

[Aimster]

You don't even know squat about CAIR or their members. You don't even know their intentions.

You are just being a man filled with racism assuming that what they did was intentional.

Are you GOD?

Why the hell did you post this thread? For everyone to agree with you? Do you not like objections to your threads?
Time to step out into the real world.

 

[Vich]

Originally posted by: Aimster
You don't even know squat about CAIR or their members. You don't even know their intentions.

You are just being a man filled with racism assuming that what they did was intentional.

Are you GOD?

Why the hell did you post this thread? For everyone to agree with you? Do you not like objections to your threads?
Time to step out into the real world.

You must not be able to read although you type pretty well. I do know about CAIR and its executive members. If you care to read my OP then you would know this.


I am assuming what Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a ?Ismail? Royer, did was INTENTIONAL Pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison
for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons
who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan.
Royer?s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

I am assuming what CAIR's Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , did was INTENTIONAL . He was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a
terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt.
Khafagi?s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

I am assuming what Ghassan Elashi, did on On December 18, 2002, INTENTIONAL . Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,
and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things,
making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy
and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.


And once you get your head out of the sand why dont you read this lawsuit. CAIR sued Anti-CAIR and lost. Maybe you will find some of the stuff inside of it worthy.

http://anti-cair-net.org/Response.html

So after all that Aimster I am pretty what the intentions of CAIR are. And I think it has something to do with Terrorism!

 

[Lemon law]

If you want to talk about a group that be arrested and jailed for life---how about the real axis of evil---the project for a new American Century.