What do you guys think of Bobby Jindal?

[ivwshane]

After read this:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=37700852#post37700852

My view of him is even lower. It doesn't take a lot to do what your base wants but it does take balls to do what's right for your state despite your base. He's got no balls is what I'm saying

 

[kage69]

I know I'm taking you too literally here, but I'm going to take issue with this as a person of Middle Eastern descent who was regularly accused of being/acting too white.

Skin is just a colour. There should be no pressure on him to exude Indian character traits of any kind, hold India in any special place in his heart, and so on. He was born and raised in the U.S. and can and should be considered as American and not-anything-else as any other dude who's lived his entire life in Louisiana. He is entirely within his rights to consider himself American and not Something-American.

I don't think you're taking me too literally. I think you're confusing the bolded parts of that post, which were tweets from Indian people, as my own comments. I don't even have a Twitter account. What's more, I don't ever recall claiming he wasn't, or is less than, an American either. Keep in mind I posted that to disprove TheGardener's submission that 'no one knows about the guy, therefore his performance is a non-issue.' Being a U.S State Governor plus a popular joke in the 2nd most populous country on the planet would seem to indicate otherwise, no? Please note post #41 in this thread.

Some people seem pretty quick to pull the race card here, but I'm sorry, a Rhodes Scholar trained as a biologist making it legal for creationism to be taught as science in the classroom sounds bad because it is bad. Period. End of story.

Dismissing criticism based on factual history as either partisan sour grapes or racist ranting is the mark of apologist, as Fern has already demonstrated.

 

[Darwin333]

Indians certainly seem to think so. Personally I'm not sure if it's a full blown Uncle Tom scenario, or if the guy just has a self-esteem/image complex, but there is definitely something off about how he seems to view himself. And for the record, I think that's a shame. Hailing from one of the world's oldest cradles of civilization is something to be proud of in my eyes, as is a successful public service career in an area noted for not always giving those with extra melatonin a fair chance.

Well since he is neither from India nor do Indian's vote in our elections I fail to see how that is relevant in the least.

 

[Darwin333]

I don't think you're taking me too literally. I think you're confusing the bolded parts of that post, which were tweets from Indian people, as my own comments. I don't even have a Twitter account. What's more, I don't ever recall claiming he wasn't, or is less than, an American either. Keep in mind I posted that to disprove TheGardener's submission that 'no one knows about the guy, therefore his performance is a non-issue.' Being a U.S State Governor plus a popular joke in the 2nd most populous country on the planet would seem to indicate otherwise, no? Please note post #41 in this thread.

Some people seem pretty quick to pull the race card here, but I'm sorry, a Rhodes Scholar trained as a biologist making it legal for creationism to be taught as science in the classroom sounds bad because it is bad. Period. End of story.

Dismissing criticism based on factual history as either partisan sour grapes or racist ranting is the mark of apologist, as Fern has already demonstrated.

I am a resident of Louisiana and while I think considering our past governors he has done a decent job but that isn't saying a lot. Basically if he doesn't go to jail for corruption he has done a good job by our standards.

The race card is played against him a ton, him acting too white or trying to be too white. He was raised in the US, probably around a lot of white folk and I think his environment and upbringing have more to do with him "acting white". The term "acting white" is in of itself racist to me.

With that said, the latter half of your bolded statement is absolutely true. While the bill did dickall to our public schools curriculum the fact that he signed it despite knowing damn well it was bullshit upset me because I knew he was pandering. He even got letters from his old college professors who basically told him "we know you don't believe that garbage, why the hell are you signing it".

Attack him on his record, you have a perfect example right there. The fact that he has Indian heritage and him "acting white" should be seen for what they are, racist comments.

 

[kage69]

Well since he is neither from India nor do Indian's vote in our elections I fail to see how that is relevant in the least.

Well that's because you are stuck on a point of PC sensitivity and like a few others in here already, are ignoring why it was brought up in the first place.

As I stated to you earlier, it's quite relevant to what I was addressing.

 

[Indus]

Well since he is neither from India nor do Indian's vote in our elections I fail to see how that is relevant in the least.

Indian Americans are more than 1% of the US population currently.

 

[kage69]

I am a resident of Louisiana and while I think considering our past governors he has done a decent job but that isn't saying a lot. Basically if he doesn't go to jail for corruption he has done a good job by our standards.

I can't argue with that. Did some reading about Long. Yikes. And of course, there's the more recent example of Nagin (not a gov though, granted).

The race card is played against him a ton, him acting too white or trying to be too white. He was raised in the US, probably around a lot of white folk and I think his environment and upbringing have more to do with him "acting white". The term "acting white" is in of itself racist to me.

You realize we're in agreement here, right?

With that said, the latter half of your bolded statement is absolutely true. While the bill did dickall to our public schools curriculum the fact that he signed it despite knowing damn well it was bullshit upset me because I knew he was pandering. He even got letters from his old college professors who basically told him "we know you don't believe that garbage, why the hell are you signing it".

Attack him on his record, you have a perfect example right there. The fact that he has Indian heritage and him "acting white" should be seen for what they are, racist comments.

I can and do, but I'm also going to support my contentions with factual examples. It's incumbent on the reader to maintain the context of the response to what it is in response to. I really hope I don't have to explain why quoting possibly racist statements from others does not constitute racism on my part (particularly when I've already elaborated on it to help others not get the wrong idea).

I like that you used the word "dickall" though, gotta say. That and 'fuckall' always make me crack up for some reason.

 

[kage69]

In keeping with my own emphasis on Jindal's record, here's another little ditty about the guy that says a lot about him and his desire to either live in a fantasy world, or pander to morons.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/jindal-america-trying-criminalize-christians

Yep, Bobby Jindal wants to decriminalize christianity. Around 70% of the country is being horribly victimized by a small portion of that number not being allowed to discriminate against and disenfranchise gay people! Who'd a thunk it!?

"Jindal said that as president, he would issue an executive order on his first day in office to protect people practicing anti-gay discrimination, insisting that the Davis case may inspire the IRS to “go after Christian schools, Christian pastors and Christian churches.”

Does this guy just sit around huffing paint thinner all day or something? Wow!

 

[Indus]

Does this guy just sit around huffing paint thinner all day or something? Wow!

His parents were nuclear physicists and they were just students at a university when they had him. Clearly he's an anchor baby yet he wants to punish other anchor babies while calling himself "grandfathered" in due to pre-existing conditions.

Not only this but the other stuff you mention.. I strongly believe he's guided by inferiority complex in his mind sort of like being the runt of the litter. Back in his youth, he was probably the only dark skinned Indian in school who identified more with the white folks than he did with African Americans. So he'll do anything to try and belong to the white people that he's pandering to the insane just so he'll be called one of us by the white population.

 

[werepossum]

If I recall correctly, wasn't there some sort of "secret" plan by the powers that be in that state to convert a large section of the hardest hit areas where many lower middle class and poor folks lived into much more expensive and desirable real estate that only the very well-to-do could afford? And that the big holdup in rebuilding and flood-proofing those areas was because of those power brokers having problems pursuing this agenda?

Not that I've ever heard, but it wouldn't surprise me.

That has to go down in history as one of the worst political speeches of all time. I knew nothing of the man but came away from that thinking he had some sort of mental retardation issue. I'm not joking.

Agreed, on both points. Jeez, did someone forget to tell him he was delivering the rebuttal until show time?

As an aside, I hate the rebuttal anyway. It's the damned State of the Union; it may be politicized, but man up and accept it as a Presidential prerogative.

I know I'm taking you too literally here, but I'm going to take issue with this as a person of Middle Eastern descent who was regularly accused of being/acting too white.

Skin is just a colour. There should be no pressure on him to exude Indian character traits of any kind, hold India in any special place in his heart, and so on. He was born and raised in the U.S. and can and should be considered as American and not-anything-else as any other dude who's lived his entire life in Louisiana. He is entirely within his rights to consider himself American and not Something-American.

Thank you for that. In my opinion this conceipt that people must espouse certain views because of their skin color and/or racial heritage is the worst form of racism today, essentially telling those people that their very opinions are the property of some political party.

His parents were nuclear physicists and they were just students at a university when they had him. Clearly he's an anchor baby yet he wants to punish other anchor babies while calling himself "grandfathered" in due to pre-existing conditions.

Not only this but the other stuff you mention.. I strongly believe he's guided by inferiority complex in his mind sort of like being the runt of the litter. Back in his youth, he was probably the only dark skinned Indian in school who identified more with the white folks than he did with African Americans. So he'll do anything to try and belong to the white people that he's pandering to the insane just so he'll be called one of us by the white population.

Sheesh. There's that proggie tolerance and understanding - if you behave other than I dictate, then you are defective.

 

[Fern]

This is an awesome comment: 'Don't listen to that huge group of people that I identify as my political enemies. They hate anyone who isn't one of their own'.

Have you considered how that might apply to you, and therefore your advice to the OP? Haha.

Yes, that's why I don't usually concern myself with the Democratic nomination. Why should Dems concern themselves with the preference of a non-Dem/Conservative? Useless.

Jindal's record on economic growth is mixed. It was above average the first couple years of his governorship and has been below average since 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ic_growth_rate

He has also passed large tax cuts that have helped create massive budget deficits that have required one time budget gimmicks that can't be repeated, which is likely to cause issues for future growth in Louisiana after he leaves the state house. Combined with the low price of oil and gas, I would imagine that Louisiana will continue to have subpar growth for the next several years.

Quote:
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.s...did_we_ge.html
Jindal, despite being an Ivy League educated biologist signed a bill that allows creationism to be taught in schools.

If you feel that I've missed something or have been unfair to him, please feel free to chime in. Try to keep it factual though!

Not sure what you're going on about. I didn't address anything about his record in my post you quoted.

You confused?

Fern

 

[Fern]

I quoted the man's own campaign slogan, so you can pound that keen quip of yours right back up your ass where you got it from.

You were saying?

Uh no. You didn't quote him.

You apparently don't know the meaning of the word "quote".

My remark stands.

Fern

 

[Fern]

His parents were nuclear physicists and they were just students at a university when they had him. Clearly he's an anchor baby yet he wants to punish other anchor babies while calling himself "grandfathered" in due to pre-existing conditions.
-snip-

Yes, because clearly nuclear physicists need an anchor baby to stay and work here.

(Oh wait, they were here and working legally, no?)

Fern

 

[Indus]

The real question you should ask is under Bobby's logic, did either of his parents have permanent resident or US citizen status when he was born?

The answer to this is no. His mother naturalized 5 years later after he was born.

When he was born, they had no legal standing besides a student visa on which his mother had arrived to use a scholarship to study nuclear physics at Louisiana State University.

Anchor baby or not.. up to you.

 

[soundforbjt]

What do you guys think of Bobby Jindal?

Nothing, because he just doesn't matter to most people. His poll numbers prove that.

 

[Fayd]

I can't support anyone who goes by the name "Bobby".

 

[fskimospy]

Yes, that's why I don't usually concern myself with the Democratic nomination. Why should Dems concern themselves with the preference of a non-Dem/Conservative? Useless.

Of course it's not useless, as that person stands a non-trivial chance of being the next president. Regardless, I was speaking more about your hilarious statement that liberals are unable to rationally evaluate conservatives at the same time you were evaluating liberals in a similarly irrational manner.

Did you not notice the irony?

Not sure what you're going on about. I didn't address anything about his record in my post you quoted.

You confused?

Fern

Are you confused? You said:

They hate anyone who isn't one of their own and ascribe all sorts of negative attributes even if there's no basis for doing so.

I provided a number of reasons to ascribe negative attributes to Jindal. You could even call that a 'basis'. Since now we know that what you wrote about liberals was wrong, do you care to revise your previous statement? (My guess is no, haha)

 

[kage69]

Uh no. You didn't quote him.

You apparently don't know the meaning of the word "quote".

My remark stands.

Fern

Not really, unless we're talking about it standing for immaturity and stupidity in the face of evidence that undermines your claims of racism. Those are pics are from his campaign, and detail slogans used for his benefit, with his approval. How stupid or indoctrinated are you that you are seriously disputing that, let alone attributing your butthurt over it to me? I was expecting one of your normally intellectually dishonest replies, and you did not disappoint. Good job sport. You're doing a fine job of blending troll qualities with the nauseating, hyper-sensitive concerns of the politically correct.

Damn I feel sorry for you. It must suck having to so often stick your head in a hole like that so as to spare yourself from uncomfortable facts. Such a pity I can't put you on Ignore.

 

[kage69]

Are you confused?

Best case scenario he's confused. I suspect he's just your average troll, albeit with mod status and a Politically Correct hangup that kicks in when he finds it convenient.

Gotta maintain that bubble though.