What do PF and PA mean on the NFL standings charts? And a Hockey Question...

[Noriaki]

What do PF and PA mean on the NFL standings charts?

NFL Standings

What do the PF and PA columns mean?

And why do they have the Division column? For any team in the AFC that column will always be the same as the AFC column, and likewise for NFC/NFC column, will it not? What the heck do you need it for?


Ralli's got a hockey question in the 3rd post

 

[minendo]

Points for and points against.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: minendo
Points for and points against.

while we're at it--

i know somebody explained it once before--
but how does the +/- system work in hockey. it has to do with goals scored while playing, right?

 

[Noriaki]

Oh yeah.
Duh.

Sorry blonde moment

Can't help you with the hockey question Ralli, I don't watch it...but...

 

[Noriaki]

PS The broncs are gonna destroy the 49ers

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: Noriaki
Oh yeah.
Duh.

Sorry blonde moment

Can't help you with the hockey question Ralli, I don't watch it...but...

somebody here should know.. anyone?
i love hockey, love to watch it, and NHL2002 is my favorite game for xbox-- however i've never fully understand the point of this.

 

[Spagina]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: minendo
Points for and points against.

while we're at it--

i know somebody explained it once before--
but how does the +/- system work in hockey. it has to do with goals scored while playing, right?

+/- works by how many goals were scored against your team and by how many your team scores while you are out on the ice. Example being, Chris Chelios is out on the ice and his forwards on his line score 5 goals that game, while the other team scored 0 goals against his line while he was out on the ice, he would then have a +5. If his line scored 5 goals and 6 goals were scored against his line, he would have a -1. That's how +/- works.

 

[azztec]

the division column is there because it is not the same as the AFC/NFC columns. the division is referring to their record against people in their division (AFC/NFC East, West, North or South) where the AFC/NFC ones are against all of the divisions in their conference.

 

[Sepen]

Originally posted by: Spagina

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: minendo
Points for and points against.

while we're at it--

i know somebody explained it once before--
but how does the +/- system work in hockey. it has to do with goals scored while playing, right?

+/- works by how many goals were scored against your team and by how many your team scores while you are out on the ice. Example being, Chris Chelios is out on the ice and his forwards on his line score 5 goals that game, while the other team scored 0 goals against his line while he was out on the ice, he would then have a +5. If his line scored 5 goals and 6 goals were scored against his line, he would have a -1. That's how +/- works.

To add to this, if you are on the Penalty kill and you get scored against niether side gets a + or - but if you are on the Power play and get a short handed goal scored against you, you will get a - and the penalty kill side a +.

 

[Noriaki]

Originally posted by: azztec
the division column is there because it is not the same as the AFC/NFC columns. the division is referring to their record against people in their division (AFC/NFC East, West, North or South) where the AFC/NFC ones are against all of the divisions in their conference.

Oh crap. Man I'm really asleep today
I can't believe I mixed up Division and Conference hahaha what a jack arse

 

[N8Magic]

And why do they have the Division column?

The division column is not for the conferences (AFC and NFC) but for each team's individual division, whether it be AFC/NFC East, Central or West. In cases where teams finish with the same record as someone in their division, this is used to break the tie. (the winner being whoever has the better record against teams in their own division)

For example, lets say Buffalo went 5-0 against teams in their own AFC East division and finished with a record of 11-5. Miami (who are in the same AFC East division) finish with a record of 11-5 as well, but their divisional record is only 4-1. In this case Buffalo would win the division because of their 5-0 divisional record. This is important because only the top team in each division is guaranteed a path into the playoffs, the rest have to fight for the wildcard spots.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: Sepen

Originally posted by: Spagina

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: minendo
Points for and points against.

while we're at it--

i know somebody explained it once before--
but how does the +/- system work in hockey. it has to do with goals scored while playing, right?

+/- works by how many goals were scored against your team and by how many your team scores while you are out on the ice. Example being, Chris Chelios is out on the ice and his forwards on his line score 5 goals that game, while the other team scored 0 goals against his line while he was out on the ice, he would then have a +5. If his line scored 5 goals and 6 goals were scored against his line, he would have a -1. That's how +/- works.

doesnt effect goalies though, right?

here is what i dont get-- what if a bad player just happens to be out on the ice at all the right times, he'll just get lucky and have a high rating, when in reality he's just mooching of his teamates. can that happen?

To add to this, if you are on the Penalty kill and you get scored against niether side gets a + or - but if you are on the Power play and get a short handed goal scored against you, you will get a - and the penalty kill side a +.

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Rallispec


doesnt effect goalies though, right?

here is what i dont get-- what if a bad player just happens to be out on the ice at all the right times, he'll just get lucky and have a high rating, when in reality he's just mooching of his teamates. can that happen?

It doesn't affect goalies.

Yes, a baggy player with a great cast of linemates could have an articficially inflated +/- rating, but it's usually an indicator of how good of a two-way (offensive and defensive) player that particular person is. In the NHL there's no room for slackers, and if someone is screwing around, it'll usually be enough for the other team to exploit, causing EVERYONE on that lines +/- to drop.

 

[Rallispec]

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: Rallispec


doesnt effect goalies though, right?

here is what i dont get-- what if a bad player just happens to be out on the ice at all the right times, he'll just get lucky and have a high rating, when in reality he's just mooching of his teamates. can that happen?

It doesn't affect goalies.

Yes, a baggy player with a great cast of linemates could have an articficially inflated +/- rating, but it's usually an indicator of how good of a two-way (offensive and defensive) player that particular person is. In the NHL there's no room for slackers, and if someone is screwing around, it'll usually be enough for the other team to exploit, causing EVERYONE on that lines +/- to drop.

thanks for explaining

<--slacker, not meant for nhl

 

[N8Magic]

Originally posted by: Rallispec

Originally posted by: N8Magic

Originally posted by: Rallispec


doesnt effect goalies though, right?

here is what i dont get-- what if a bad player just happens to be out on the ice at all the right times, he'll just get lucky and have a high rating, when in reality he's just mooching of his teamates. can that happen?

It doesn't affect goalies.

Yes, a baggy player with a great cast of linemates could have an articficially inflated +/- rating, but it's usually an indicator of how good of a two-way (offensive and defensive) player that particular person is. In the NHL there's no room for slackers, and if someone is screwing around, it'll usually be enough for the other team to exploit, causing EVERYONE on that lines +/- to drop.

thanks for explaining

<--slacker, not meant for nhl

<--- also a slacker when playing hockey, and too poor of a skater to play anything better than select.