I haven't really seen this discussed around here. As far as both the leaders and the people themselves. How do our "moderate" Arab allies regard the Taliban? As psychos or as people living the true life that they should aspire to? How willing would they be to get into a war to aid the Taliban? Send money/troops? If a war was to happen, the involvement of other Arab states would quickly cause this war to escalate horribly.
What do other Arab nations think of Afghanistan and the Taliban?
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Well, Bin Laden has been expelled from just about every other arab state, and he is not welcome to return.
Only Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and UAR recognize the Taliban as being in charge of Afghanistan. Notice that even the nutcase in Iraq does not believe in their dominance.
We must make a distinction between the Arab nation heads of state versus their people. Moderate regimes like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt have condemned the attacks. However, popular sentiments within these countries sing a different tune. These countries need to balance US demands and popular sentiment within their own borders.
I'm glad I'm not in chrage of running those countries, not an easy task...is popular sentiment enough to push them to ally/aiding Afghanistan?
There could be real civil unrest in Egypt and Saudi once the conflict starts. I read a story once about how Saudi Princes go tearing through poor villages in their Ferarri F50s and the like, there have been several incidences of them hitting peasants where they didnt even stop.
I'm sure this isnt indicative of all the ruling Saudi's, and they're a good ally and all that, but they're probably going to have some internal problems once the conflict starts.
I'm sure this isnt indicative of all the ruling Saudi's, and they're a good ally and all that, but they're probably going to have some internal problems once the conflict starts.
<< I'm glad I'm not in chrage of running those countries, not an easy task...is popular sentiment enough to push them to ally/aiding Afghanistan? >>
It is very difficult to say. At present, it appears most if not all moderate Arab regimes will side with the US. But, they will come under increasing strain in the coming months as the US reprisal escalates. Further adding to this problem is the fact that Osama bin Laden is gaining enormous credibility for his role in this weeks attacks amonf these countries peoples. This can translate into tangible support for his organization as well as provide for more recruiting. His fame is a rallying point for popular opposition.
Hussein is also gaining praise for being the only Arab head of state to consistently oppose the US and Isreal. This is especially bad for Jordan, who shares a border with Iraq and whose population is at least half Palestinian.
Only time will tell who stands firms with the US and who doesn't.
Syria, Iran, Iraq, and Pakistan are his supporters. Afghanistan is where he lives, but it's not really a country. Aside from those four countries, he has not allies. His organization has "cells" throughout the world, but they are not officially supported.
actually pakistan agreed to all u.s terms except that thwy wont allow u.s to stage troops there, they will however allow u.s to use thier airspace, stop dengin fuel to afghanistan and one othre thing i forget
<< actually pakistan agreed to all u.s terms except that thwy wont allow u.s to stage troops there, they will however allow u.s to use thier airspace, stop dengin fuel to afghanistan and one othre thing i forget >>
Pakistan has agreed to several US demands, and will act further pending UN Security Council approval of US retaliation (this probably won't happen, and Pakistan realizes this.) This is important, as Pakistan's geographical location to Afghanistan makes Islamabad's cooperation vital for US military movements.
Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf must be wary of the growing domestic fundamentalist Islamic movements that threaten his position. This problem, I believe, is what is deterring Islamabad from following all of the US's requests. This is yet another example of the balancing act between US demands and popular sentiment Arab regimes must deal with.
Stark your thread is completely false. I'm an Iranian American and I know for sure even the extreme Islamists in Iran think of Osama as a the worst thing that could have happened to Islam. They don't like him at all and for what he stands. In fact they are firm supporters of the Northern Alliance which is the main opposition group that is fighting the Taliban. Check your news before you make a bogus statement like that. Here is a link to a recent web clipping about the recent death of the Northern Alliances leader from a Hard-line conservative Iranian news site Link. Most people who are much more moderate than the conservatives hate the Taliban for everything is stands for.
You'll like to know further that this evening it was announced that the Iranian government is closing it's border with Afghanistan.
You'll like to know further that this evening it was announced that the Iranian government is closing it's border with Afghanistan.
forouza1,
You are right, Iran does not like the Taliban. They are still considered supporters of Bin Laden.
Iran is also the first place where we saw anti-american hatred from the Arab world. It is also considered a training ground for terroism.
Iran is rapidly modernizing and realizing that supporting fringe fundamentalist groups is not in its best interest. Hopefully no evidence is found linking Iran to the WTC attacks.
You are right, Iran does not like the Taliban. They are still considered supporters of Bin Laden.
Iran is also the first place where we saw anti-american hatred from the Arab world. It is also considered a training ground for terroism.
Iran is rapidly modernizing and realizing that supporting fringe fundamentalist groups is not in its best interest. Hopefully no evidence is found linking Iran to the WTC attacks.
UN food relief left Afgani 1.5-3 million starving, winter will be setting in making weather our friend. Look for the heat in the mountains, where Al-Qiadah and Bin Laden are said to be hiding. Totaly land locked and ground troops are not an option. Russia has its problem with Taleban guerrillas there and in Chechnia-who bombed Moscow. USA held Moscow back from defense, but would love to de-Islam both countries. Joint agreements exist between India, Russia and China against Islam. Approx. 20% of Afgani (N. Alliance) anti-Taleban rule.
The main problem is in Pakistan, as far as stabilization. They (gov't)want to, but can't protect their 1,560 Mi. boarder with Afgani and have large Taleban pop. and Taleban friendly pop. with boarder disputes, but the Ismaic Gov't is relatively weak now abndoning the Taleban, now our ally mainly because of India (catch 22) and has nukes, needs protection, which is our catch 22. Pakistan isn't expendable as Afganistan and Chechnia are.
The question is, is Iran (Persia) present Pakistan gov't friendly? We know anti arab and Taleban and Iraq will most probably be Iran's prize.
Oversimplificaion, omissions, inaccuracies is not intentional and anyone knowledgable, please correct.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iran sealed off its 560-mile border with Afghanistan
Sept. 15 to prevent Afghans fleeing potential American
attacks from crossing the border, according to the Saudi
Press Agency. 1751 GMT, 010915
Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee urged global
powers Sept. 14 to join together and use military force
to crush terrorism following attacks against the United
States. "The terrorist and those who give him a safe
haven are enemies of every human being ? The world
must join hands to overwhelm them militarily, to
neutralise their poison," Reuters quoted him as saying.
1600 GMT, 010915
Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov expressed implicit
Russian support Sept. 14 for a possible U.S. armed
intervention in Afghanistan in reprisal for terror attacks
on New York and Washington, according to The News
International. "In the fight against terrorism, we cannot
rule out the use of force. When necessary, force must
be used," he told reporters in Yerevan, where he is
accompanying President Vladimir Putin on an official
visit to Armenia. 1611 GMT, 010915
The Taliban on Sept. 15 ordered all foreigners to leave
the country amid fears of a retaliatory U.S. military
strike, sources told The News International. 1618 GMT,
010915
The main problem is in Pakistan, as far as stabilization. They (gov't)want to, but can't protect their 1,560 Mi. boarder with Afgani and have large Taleban pop. and Taleban friendly pop. with boarder disputes, but the Ismaic Gov't is relatively weak now abndoning the Taleban, now our ally mainly because of India (catch 22) and has nukes, needs protection, which is our catch 22. Pakistan isn't expendable as Afganistan and Chechnia are.
The question is, is Iran (Persia) present Pakistan gov't friendly? We know anti arab and Taleban and Iraq will most probably be Iran's prize.
Oversimplificaion, omissions, inaccuracies is not intentional and anyone knowledgable, please correct.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Iran sealed off its 560-mile border with Afghanistan
Sept. 15 to prevent Afghans fleeing potential American
attacks from crossing the border, according to the Saudi
Press Agency. 1751 GMT, 010915
Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee urged global
powers Sept. 14 to join together and use military force
to crush terrorism following attacks against the United
States. "The terrorist and those who give him a safe
haven are enemies of every human being ? The world
must join hands to overwhelm them militarily, to
neutralise their poison," Reuters quoted him as saying.
1600 GMT, 010915
Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov expressed implicit
Russian support Sept. 14 for a possible U.S. armed
intervention in Afghanistan in reprisal for terror attacks
on New York and Washington, according to The News
International. "In the fight against terrorism, we cannot
rule out the use of force. When necessary, force must
be used," he told reporters in Yerevan, where he is
accompanying President Vladimir Putin on an official
visit to Armenia. 1611 GMT, 010915
The Taliban on Sept. 15 ordered all foreigners to leave
the country amid fears of a retaliatory U.S. military
strike, sources told The News International. 1618 GMT,
010915
I don't think that Iran supports bin Laden. Bin Laden is in Afganistan as Talebans "guest". That seems to indicate that Taleban support bin Laden. Now, Iran hates Taleban! They became really close of attacking the Taleban in Afganistan after Taleban executed 7 iranians who worked in Iran embassy of Afganistan. Iran hates Taleban, that is a fact. There's currently about 2 million afgan refugees in Iran, people who managed to escape from Taleban.
As for Iran being the base of terrorism... Well, I think times are changing. True, there is the religious fringe in Iran, but the president is moderate and he seems to have some pro-west sentiments. And the people of Iran don't hate USA anymore.
I think that Iran had the right to be annoyed by USA in the 70's and the 80's. Didn't you support the Shah who ruled the country with the help of his secret police (Savak)? And you did shoot down the Iranian Airways flight killing 290 people. They had their resons to be pissed back then. But things are going in to better direction all the time.
As for Iran being the base of terrorism... Well, I think times are changing. True, there is the religious fringe in Iran, but the president is moderate and he seems to have some pro-west sentiments. And the people of Iran don't hate USA anymore.
I think that Iran had the right to be annoyed by USA in the 70's and the 80's. Didn't you support the Shah who ruled the country with the help of his secret police (Savak)? And you did shoot down the Iranian Airways flight killing 290 people. They had their resons to be pissed back then. But things are going in to better direction all the time.
<< Stark, Iran is not a Arab nation. >>
I've heard that before. Forgive my [ignorant] question, but what larger ethnic group do Iranians belong to?
Not many people realize that IRAN is NOT an arab state, they are islamic but at that there needs to be a qualification. In the 1400's there was a split in the Ottoman Empire (the islamic world). What is now Iran broke away from the ottaman empire to form the Safavid empire, they practice a more (i hate to say it) fundamentalist version of islam. In which the county is ruled by Ulama, which are islamic clergy (I'm sorry I know tha's not all ture (about being clergy) but it is the best analogy).
Plain and simple in Iran there is no distinction between state and religion.
But back to what I was saying about Iran not being an arab state, the reason for the seperation is that the Safavid's (iranians) were not arab like the rest of the ottoman empire they speak Persian which is a european off shoot of greek. Not arabic which is derived from sanskrit.
FYI...
Plain and simple in Iran there is no distinction between state and religion.
But back to what I was saying about Iran not being an arab state, the reason for the seperation is that the Safavid's (iranians) were not arab like the rest of the ottoman empire they speak Persian which is a european off shoot of greek. Not arabic which is derived from sanskrit.
FYI...
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