what did you want to see in r290x? what do you want maxwell to be or not be?

Anarchist420

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was it everything you had hoped for? i think three good things about it are the low price, the standard of 4GB of GDDR5, and the fact that dp was not as crippled as nvidia's best offerings are. and also the performance, even though the 7970 GHz edition would be more than fast enough for me.

id say the things i like least about it are the lack of having good texture units (still only half speed 64 bit textures and the trilinear and lod calcs are still probably not as good as those of nvidia plus the fact that nvidia's af has just the right amount of angle variance), the high temps (at least on reference models, although nvidia isnt all that great at load temps either), the fact that it isnt really a brand new architecture, and the fact that they reduced dp performance from 1/4 to 1/8.

i dont know much about mantle, so im not commenting on that now.

i hope maxwell will run at lower temps than kepler or at least not do away with temp target. i hope that maxwell's drivers will not be limit it in dp performance, i hope that it will be backwards compatible with existing cuda apps, i hope they dont decrease texture filtering quality in any way... although maybe they could add a new trilinear filtering algorithm that looks even better. and finally, i hope they carry every single one of kepler's display logic features over to maxwell's display logic.

none of the follow will going to happen, but i also wish they would:

get rid of render target and color buffer modes less than 64 bit, get rid of 24 and 16 bit z-buffer formats (probably have only D32FX and D32FPS8X24 formats if not D64FX and D64FPS16X48, although 32 bit log z buffers look pretty damn sweet so 64 bits may not be necessary for the depth buffer), make the ROPs do 64 bit render targets at full speed (and 128 bit ones at half speed), doing away with dx compliance (or at least make mostly beta drivers so they dont have to comply with microsoft's demands) with dx apps while just using a wrapper to opengl or simply their own api.

if they ditched dx-compliance, they could make it so programming would be more like programming to the metal. dx is for amature programmers while open gl brings out the best results from the best 1% of programmers.

maybe i lack imagination, but GK110 is actually perfect except for the drivers which are still decent and they can always enable full DP for the 780GTX and 780GTX Ti for specific games down the road because double precision will eventually be standard.
 

OCGuy

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Everyone, including AMD, wanted and planned on seeing Hawaii on 20nm.

I want Maxwell to be available by Mid-Summer for early adoption.


Thank TSMC for #1 not happening, and #2 still being up in the air.
 

krumme

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Here is my guess
There could be lean mobile gpu spring. At least Nv have quite a premium at the mobile side to pay for an expensive new node if the die is kept on the lower side. Still it would be the first time nv beat amd on a new node as i recall.
The big desktop highend will have to wait until 20 nm matures a little and the first crazy run for 20nm for phones is over. Else it would be to expensive imho. There is far bigger competition for the new nodes today than 4 years ago as i see the market.
 

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I hope the gamer card or the compute light card isn't released for 500$, although the success of getting two "generations" out of the big and small die's as we seen for 28nm means it's probably already a lock.
 

Anarchist420

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I hope the gamer card or the compute light card isn't released for 500$, although the success of getting two "generations" out of the big and small die's as we seen for 28nm means it's probably already a lock.
gaming vs. compute is not a good dichotomy. nvidia's false advertising of "the fastest gaming cards" as ones that dont have the best compute performance is the only reason so many people think that... if they really believed what they said, then why would they have plans for an arm processor in maxwell?

double precision is good for gaming because of physics, if some work is best done offloaded from the cpu, and because 32 bits is not enough precision for everything. i imagine fxaa could look better if it used more precision since it is sometimes working on 64 bit rendering targets. and some graphical effects would probably look better too with double precision.

and dynamic parallelism and hyper q are good things to have for gaming because they allow the tasks to be offloaded from the cpu more easily and quicker... physics is another good example.
 

Subyman

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I think we will see another trickle out of tech like we did with Kepler with nVidia doing juuuuuust enough to stay in parity with AMD.
 

Attic

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I'd like to see 12k in fire strike graphics score for 250 or less with TDP under 150.
 

Pottuvoi

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Ir certainly would be nice to see all limitations from ROPs to be lifted, making things like programmable blending and order-independent transparency easier. (Currently Intel has the best support.)
Also any features that make resolution independent rendering and/or shading would be nice. (use power in areas where it is needed.)

In general, I want programmability to be a lot better than it is currently.
A proper jump we haven't seen since Fermi hit the market.
 

DooKey

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I want to see at least a 50% performance increase compared to r9 290 from Maxwell based GPUs.
 

wand3r3r

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High performance
No mid range selling as high end and then price rape-age on the high end
No voltage neutering (I want unlocked voltage)
 

AdamK47

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I'd like Maxwell GPUs not to be artificially limited at release. No mid range cards posing as high end. No needless SP units locked out. Release a card that has EVERYTHING enabled right at release.
 

BallaTheFeared

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AMD and Nvidia to follow Intel not just with boost, but locked cards with no voltage or clock adjustments... Followed by k models of the same chips with those features unlocked.
 

VulgarDisplay

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I'm really just looking forward to see what all the talented guys like raja koduri can come up with now that they have had some time to get their own projects going. Nvidias cards don't excite me as much because I already know they are going to be good based on track record.

So I would really like to see amd push out a bigger chip like the 290x from the get go.
 

skipsneeky2

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Want 780 ti performance at least or better out of a Midrange $400 maxwell card, may spend upwards of $500 if performance in that price range is top notch and that will be the last card i will match up with my i5 2500 non k.
 

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I'd like Maxwell GPUs not to be artificially limited at release. No mid range cards posing as high end. No needless SP units locked out. Release a card that has EVERYTHING enabled right at release.

I wish, not going to happen. We will get a 680 all over again.
 

boxleitnerb

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gaming vs. compute is not a good dichotomy. nvidia's false advertising of "the fastest gaming cards" as ones that dont have the best compute performance is the only reason so many people think that... if they really believed what they said, then why would they have plans for an arm processor in maxwell?

double precision is good for gaming because of physics, if some work is best done offloaded from the cpu, and because 32 bits is not enough precision for everything. i imagine fxaa could look better if it used more precision since it is sometimes working on 64 bit rendering targets. and some graphical effects would probably look better too with double precision.

and dynamic parallelism and hyper q are good things to have for gaming because they allow the tasks to be offloaded from the cpu more easily and quicker... physics is another good example.

All those features have not been used in games yet. And double precision is absolutely not necessary for games, only for scientific application where high accuracy of the results is required.
 

biostud

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I don't think I'll ditch my newly bought 7990, but price/performance/watt just have to be good.
 

BFG10K

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I personally have no interest in the 290X, but I recognise the tremendous value it adds to both camps because of the competition.

Every genuine enthusiast should feel the same way, especially after the spate of nVidia’s recent price cuts, which isn’t the first time we’ve seen such a thing from them after AMD released a new product.

As for Maxwell, I hope it’s significantly faster than my Titan without worsening noise or TDP. Also maybe lift the thermal limit to 88C as the default 80C is a little too low for a high-end enthusiast part, IMO.