What Democrats are up against in today?s GOP

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Many Democrats still don?t grasp what they?re up against in
today?s Republican Party. Naïve souls, they prefer to see national politics as a giant PTA meeting, and to comfort themselves with civics text bromides about the virtues of compromise and bipartisanship. Even in the face of the Clinton impeachment and the naked power play that decided the 2000 presidential election, they have trouble comprehending the sheer ruthlessness of the GOP political juggernaut. This is nothing new. Even during FDR?s presidency, Will Rogers joked that he belonged to no organized political party: He was a Democrat. Today, however, the party simply must learn to effectively counter the well-organized army of think-tank, opinion page and cable TV propagandists who parrot the GOP party line, no matter how illogical or preposterous.

In effect, organizations like FOX News, The Washington Times, The Wall Street Journal editorial page, Rush Limbaugh and right-wing talk radio are simply adjuncts of the Republican Party. To this add scores of Washington pundits often employed by tycoon-financed "think tanks" such as the American Heritage Institute, Cato Foundation, etc. For all the braying about "liberal media bias," which may be the most successful GOP "spin point," Democrats simply have no equivalent propaganda machine.

Unlike Democrats, typically all over the place, Republican-oriented pundits agree almost all the time?and not just substantively, but tactically, too. Faxes and e-mails go out from the Republican National Committee, and GOP sophists jump into line like the Rockettes.

According to David Brock, the onetime Republican "hit man" whose book, "The Republican Noise Machine," explains exactly how the system works, the White House?s "explicit goal is to get us to the point where there are blue [state] facts and red [state] facts."

Judging by my e-mail, it?s working. Hardly a day passes that I don?t hear from perfectly decent, intelligent citizens who believe that there?s proof Saddam?s WMD were smuggled into Syria or that documents implicating him in 9/11 have been found. This was Orwell?s great fear: that the very concept of objectivity would disappear from political discourse. "Collective solipsism," he called it; the ability to convince people that 2 + 2 = 5.

A few recent examples:

George W. Bush nominates a black woman as secretary of state, and pundits who have spent their careers decrying "political correctness" argue as one that Democrats opposing her must be hypocritical bigots.

He nominates for attorney general a guy who rationalized torture, and that man?s ethnicity, too, becomes his only necessary credential. Only after Alberto Gonzales is confirmed by the Senate do some GOP pundits rediscover their consciences.

A former male escort infiltrates the White House press corps via the buddy system, and the very pundits who just months ago warned that Democrats would enshrine the "homosexual agenda" go silent. Or they pretend not to understand the difference between a gay reporter and a gay prostitute. No fatwa issues from radical clerics like Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson; James Dobson keeps railing about the imagined sexual proclivities of a cartoon sponge.

What do such examples tell us? First, that neither the Bush White House nor most GOP pundits actually give a flying filigree about "political correctness," " family values, "" moral clarity" or any of it. What counts is winning. What counts is power.

One more example: Last week, I wrote that Howard Dean, recently elected chair of the Democratic National Committee, appears capable of giving his party a wake-up call because he?s scrappy, smart and fearless. Hence, the GOP party line on Dean is that he?s a snobbish elitist and an advocate of cultural decadence. Also crazy, because, as we all know, anybody who sees through Bush must be consumed by anger and hatred.

A GOP columnist for the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette took offense. On cue, he described Dean supporters as "shrill," " radical-left" "wacko," etc. "[W] hen Dean bemoans the success of Republican appeals on ? God, guns and gays, ?" the fellow chided, "he forgets that most Americans still believe in God, don?t want gay marriage and do want to keep their guns." Now anybody dumb enough to think Dean (or any American politician) has declared himself anti-God quit reading long ago. But it?s a fact that Dean was the only Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 to get an A rating from the National Rifle Association. He jokes that Vermont has only two gun laws: You can?t take a gun to school, and you can?t carry a loaded gun in a car because it?s unfair to deer. As Vermont governor, Dean opposed gay marriage. "Marriage is between a man and a woman," he said. "... Most Americans aren?t going to support gay marriage, but most Americans will support equal rights." Know what? I?d wager that my antagonist, a college professor, knew all that. (I?d also entertain a side bet that this particular left-wing elitist owns more firearms than he does.) But in the fashion of Republican pundits everywhere, he played his audience for suckers


A good post about the off-the wall calls of elitest and out-of touch from right-winger cable tv watchers and pundits in lock step with the GOP.
Any opinions about the name calling they come up with to describe "the opposition"?
 

Proletariat

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I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG
 

Steeplerot

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I can't see how it can be stopped short of tearing down corprate news which is the source of these GOP attacks on Americans.
The left is going to have to get informed quick of the facts that TV is not to be a trusted news source anymore and get the fight back in them.
OR revoloution. But that is the last thing I want this country to fall into.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

Thanks for proving the OP's point enjoy your kool-aid CaD. :cookie:

Todays Daily republican hate from freerepublic sorry I didn't get more but going there makes me ill.

"Obama, like the rest of the black "elite", has a vested interest in keeping black people dependent on government."

"Why don't we just use the nuclear option on North Korea :D" (note the smiley -these people are sick)

(Not surprising)
"Our best marines, soldiers, sailors and airmen usually do not come from a college campus."

"The lib commies were interferring with the recruiters right of peaceful assembly. And I saw some cop standing there doing nothing but digesting a doughnut. He should have had his club out busting heads and arresting the commie scum."

"The b.o. alone would have me passing out." (More right wing elitism)

 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

OK, that is called hate by the Republicans, Love of Country by the Dems.

Have 3 1/2 years to organize to take the Country back from the destructionists.
 

Dari

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It also doesn't help when you have people like me working in the Democratic Party.

It also doesn't help when you dismiss Bush as a simian who would be booted out of office as soon as the public got the opportunity.

It also doesn't help when neo-conservatives, who are Democrats in Republican clothing, take all the grand and ideological foreign policy ideas that the Democrats hold close to their hearts and make it a Republican agenda.

Be careful liberals, Bush is about to take the environmental agenda away from you as well. You read it here first.
 

Proletariat

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG
I don't hate you. It's politics, stop crying. The problem is most liberals are still wound up in post 60's idealism. Remember what happened to all the liberal leaders in the 60's? Dead.

I definitely have to say Republicans on average play dirtier. Even with your own party members. Compare "Rathergate" with the McCain black child fiasco and the Ann Richards is gay thing. The Rather incident was childs play.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ao..._marriage/+Ann+Richards+gay+Bush&hl=en

But if history teaches one thing about Bush and Rove and their allies on the right, it's that they're not afraid to use nasty political tactics on divisive social issues if they think it will help them win an election.

And history teaches one more thing: They're good at it.

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG


CAD, don't kid yourself. You are fueled by the same hate, you just wear a different letter on your varsity jacket.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Any opinions about the name calling they come up with to describe "the opposition"?

I think you have to identify the rhetorical strategies they are using, and then pick them apart. Right now, they are posing private accounts as a solution to the "social security crisis". I think you can deflate that inane rhetoric by 1) pointing out there is no immediately impending crisis, and that there is time to think carefully about what kind of solutions you want for social security, and 2) pointing out that private accounts, as proposed by Bush, really have nothing to do with social security solvency, at all (in fact, implementation will cost a fortune, pushing the treasury even further into the red).
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

This way all valid points are glossed over. Yes, CaD's post's have it down to a T.
What is the word for that anyhow? It is like a aimed and calculated dishonest projection of soemone elses point and frame of mind. A kind of distraction when he feels a valid counterpoint is made to a GOP talking point. He does it like clockwork every time.
Whatever it is called it's pretty low, unethical and quite dishonest it's like the right-wingers have a grab bag of slimey phrases handed out weekly to distract.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG


CAD, don't kid yourself. You are fueled by the same hate, you just wear a different letter on your varsity jacket.

Nope, I don't hate democrats. I'm not out to "get" them. During the Clinton years - I was not a rabid attack dog. I will however defend/protect my side against asinine attacks by the likes of you.

But hey, if you have to think I "hate" to help yourself sleep at night - go to it.:p

CsG
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

But hey, if you have to think I "hate" to help yourself sleep at night - go to it.:p

CsG
Just like that he makes an statement about someone else HAVING to be the projection he is pointing out when noone but him said such a thing.
It is a pretty underhaned form of spin I guess.
Sadly I just am not into that I am more for arguing honestly and making points instead of twisting. Is the left going to have to sink as low as the rights manipulations to get the truth out?
I don't think I like that, The left are not thugs liek that IMO, this is what seperates us.
This is why I think the left is backed into the corner and forced to sink to their level.
....Sad...
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

This way all valid points are glossed over. Yes, CaD's post's have it down to a T.
What is the word for that anyhow? It is like a aimed and calculated dishonest projection of soemone elses point and frame of mind. A kind of distraction when he feels a valid counterpoint is made to a GOP talking point.
Whatever it is called it's pretty low, unethical and quite dishonest.

but his point is valid. Anything that comes from this Administration is viewed in a critical light, not for the sake of comprehension, but for the sake of argument. It's almost ingrained in your DNA for you to poo-poo whatever comes from the Republican party, yet you give the benefit of the doubt to the Democrats. It's as if you have to nurture something. I don't know what it is but I do know that it skewers your objectivity.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG
I don't hate you. It's politics, stop crying. The problem is most liberals are still wound up in post 60's idealism. Remember what happened to all the liberal leaders in the 60's? Dead.

I definitely have to say Republicans on average play dirtier. Even with your own party members. Compare "Rathergate" with the McCain black child fiasco and the Ann Richards is gay thing. The Rather incident was childs play.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ao..._marriage/+Ann+Richards+gay+Bush&hl=en

But if history teaches one thing about Bush and Rove and their allies on the right, it's that they're not afraid to use nasty political tactics on divisive social issues if they think it will help them win an election.

And history teaches one more thing: They're good at it.

I didn't say you hated me:p Why do I give a rats ass what you think of me? That's right - I don't. Ofcourse it's politics but is absolutely asinine for the OP or you to not recognize that the stuff you are whining about is done by your "side" also - so drop the holier than thou game.

CsG
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

This way all valid points are glossed over. Yes, CaD's post's have it down to a T.
What is the word for that anyhow? It is like a aimed and calculated dishonest projection of soemone elses point and frame of mind. A kind of distraction when he feels a valid counterpoint is made to a GOP talking point.
Whatever it is called it's pretty low, unethical and quite dishonest.

but his point is valid. Anything that comes from this Administration is viewed in a critical light, not for the sake of comprehension, but for the sake of argument. It's almost ingrained in your DNA for you to poo-poo whatever comes from the Republican party, yet you give the benefit of the doubt to the Democrats. It's as if you have to nurture something. I don't know what it is but I do know that it skewers your objectivity.

I could care less about democrats they are pretty weak themselves.
This is about the spin and dishonesty. Not partisanship which I could care less about what "dems" think.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

As if these conspiracy theories and attacks are about "policy" :roll: Give up the little act - it's so see-through it's borderline insane for you to try to defend it.

CsG
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG
I don't hate you. It's politics, stop crying. The problem is most liberals are still wound up in post 60's idealism. Remember what happened to all the liberal leaders in the 60's? Dead.

I definitely have to say Republicans on average play dirtier. Even with your own party members. Compare "Rathergate" with the McCain black child fiasco and the Ann Richards is gay thing. The Rather incident was childs play.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:ao..._marriage/+Ann+Richards+gay+Bush&hl=en

But if history teaches one thing about Bush and Rove and their allies on the right, it's that they're not afraid to use nasty political tactics on divisive social issues if they think it will help them win an election.

And history teaches one more thing: They're good at it.

I didn't say you hated me:p Why do I give a rats ass what you think of me? That's right - I don't. Ofcourse it's politics but is absolutely asinine for the OP or you to not recognize that the stuff you are whining about is done by your "side" also - so drop the holier than thou game.

CsG
We are not commenting about you in particular we are commenting about you becasue you obviously watch and listen to a lot of pundits and have a knack for picking up their
tactics. Noone is hating on you just trying to get an idea of how and why you spin our words for you agenda to be prepared for answering the dishonest distractions.
(Feel free to leave the post and not provide us with more to thin kabout but you are a perfect example.)
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

This way all valid points are glossed over. Yes, CaD's post's have it down to a T.
What is the word for that anyhow? It is like a aimed and calculated dishonest projection of soemone elses point and frame of mind. A kind of distraction when he feels a valid counterpoint is made to a GOP talking point.
Whatever it is called it's pretty low, unethical and quite dishonest.

but his point is valid. Anything that comes from this Administration is viewed in a critical light, not for the sake of comprehension, but for the sake of argument. It's almost ingrained in your DNA for you to poo-poo whatever comes from the Republican party, yet you give the benefit of the doubt to the Democrats. It's as if you have to nurture something. I don't know what it is but I do know that it skewers your objectivity.

The party of "no" or in other words, the party of constant opposition. Well, whatever suits their fancy I guess.:) It should be another great election cycle in '06 if this attitude continues.:D

CsG
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Proletariat
I've definitely said this many times, to many people. It is time to take the gloves off. Playing clean will most definitely not gain the Democratic party much. Just look at the painfully slow deconstruction of John Kerry.

As if the Dems haven't been playing dirty. :roll:

Whatever feeds your hate I guess....

CsG

This is a PERFECT example of the GOP rhetorical strategies used by republican-supporting goons-- i.e., characterize ANY opposition to Bush or his policies as stemming from HATE (as opposed to that opposition to Bush stemming from say a reasoned, considered decision that Bush is e.g., bad for the nation, bad for the world). We see this constantly on this forum. For example, CadSortaGuy characterising me as having a "Hissy fit" in the torture thread, apparently because I didn't agree with his point of view or comply with his requests re: the content of my posts. This is the standard routine - characterise liberals as shrill, as consumed with hate, as extremists, etc.

This way all valid points are glossed over. Yes, CaD's post's have it down to a T.
What is the word for that anyhow? It is like a aimed and calculated dishonest projection of soemone elses point and frame of mind. A kind of distraction when he feels a valid counterpoint is made to a GOP talking point.
Whatever it is called it's pretty low, unethical and quite dishonest.

but his point is valid. Anything that comes from this Administration is viewed in a critical light, not for the sake of comprehension, but for the sake of argument. It's almost ingrained in your DNA for you to poo-poo whatever comes from the Republican party, yet you give the benefit of the doubt to the Democrats. It's as if you have to nurture something. I don't know what it is but I do know that it skewers your objectivity.

I could care less about democrats they are pretty weak themselves.
This is about the spin and dishonesty. Not partisanship which I could care less about what "dems" think.

then replace 'Democrats" with "liberals". Still don't believe me? Look at all your previous threads. Your mind is made up already when it comes to political discussions. Your only concern is how to maneuver in a discussion.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The party of "no" or in other words, the party of constant opposition. Well, whatever suits their fancy I guess.:) It should be another great election cycle in '06 if this attitude continues.:D

CsG

Here he goes pointing out that opposition and discourse is something not normal in our government and that such discourse is self defeating. Interesting as this is contridiciary to democracy and civil discourse. Kinda reverse psychology sociopathism.
*scratches chin*

 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Dari
Your only concern is how to maneuver in a discussion.
My only concern coming here is hope for all mankind and peace and equality on earth.
rep or dem or national borders are arbitrary to me. Anyhow I apreciate you saying this about me but I know I am that great of a writer, more a thinker, thanks though. I am working on it.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

The party of "no" or in other words, the party of constant opposition. Well, whatever suits their fancy I guess.:) It should be another great election cycle in '06 if this attitude continues.:D

CsG

Here he goes pointing out that opposition and discourse is something not normal in our government and that such discourse is self defeating. Interesting as this is contridiciary to democracy and civil discourse. Kinda reverse psychology sociopathism.
*scratches chin*

having constructive discussions and compromising is very different from constantly saying "NO". Try to understand the difference.