What crime did Hunter Biden commit, and to what extent is Joe Biden involved??

[Jaskalas]

“The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practice,” the New York Times reported at the time.

Tell me, how many Western nations are calling for dirt on Joe Biden?
How many United States agencies are calling for it?

Joe Biden says he pressured Ukraine, to do what exactly? At the behest of many nations, to fight corruption. To replace a prosecutor who was sitting on corruption instead of combating it. Again, not for personal gain.

The key is who is involved. And for what purpose?

Trump and his personal lawyer are co-opting a foreign nation to meddle in the 2020 election. To pursue a political opponent. Not the United States government through official and legal proceedings. Not "other Western nations" along side us. This isn't international, or even State policy. It is Trump's personal vendetta against Joe Biden.

Trump's crimes against the office of the Presidency and the United States are crystal clear. And to make it all worse, these ARE THE SAME CRIMES he was accused of conspiring with Russia for in 2016. As if you need some context to reach the only sane and logical conclusion.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

All of diplomacy is based on quid pro quo. Everything. For anything to happen both sides want something in exchange. It could be a treaty, a trade deal, a defense pact, money, weapons or merely assurances of support, but it's all "this for that".

Exactly, and now the political rejects are glomming onto the act of 'doing a thing for a thing' as though it normalizes Trumps behavior. It'd be fascinating if it was happening to primates, it's just sad when it's people.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It would be completely fair to question Hunter’s role in Burisma and his general character and fitness for office if he ever ran for public office. I would hope we’d hold him to a higher standard (ethics, moral character etc.) than just potentially criminal activity. I know we’re doing the exact same thing if DJT Jr or Eric ever run for office, or based on Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner’s proximity to the White House.

That is as it ought to be.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

His son was not at risk of being tossed in jail. Would you like to venture a guess that isn't a complete falsehood?

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

you're fucking terrible at this.

If you mean "this" as in lying and bullshitting. Yes I am terrible at it, which is why I try to stick to facts and the truth. I'll leave it up to you lefties to lie, cheat, steal and lie again.

 

[ewdotson]

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

It's not your fault that you've heard otherwise. But it *is* your fault that you refuse to listen when people try to explain to you that you've been lied to.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Yes I am terrible at it, which is why I try to stick to facts and the truth.

Try harder.

 

[PingviN]

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

A source would be nice.

 

[Jhhnn]

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

It was the voices in your head, or what?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

A source would be nice.

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

It was the voices in your head, or what?

You just can't keep yourself from lying can you?

 

[dank69]

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

Yes you have heard otherwise from the same sources that have lied to you over and over. Why don't you fact check things before you commit to believing them for a change?

 

[Jaskalas]

I've heard otherwise, but i'm happy to wait and see it play out.

A source would be nice.

It was the voices in your head, or what?

"People are saying".... you know, people at Fox News.

 

[dank69]

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

Bro, any narrative favored by Trump and his supporters can be dismissed out of hand unless they can provide documented proof of it at this point. 10,000 lies and counting. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 10,000 times, well you'd have to check with Texas or maybe Tennessee to see what they say about someone that gullible.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Bro, any narrative favored by Trump and his supporters can be dismissed out of hand unless they can provide documented proof of it at this point. 10,000 lies and counting. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 10,000 times, well you'd have to check with Texas or maybe Tennessee to see what they say about someone that gullible.

Which is, as you know, fucking bullshit. There's different stories out there and you've made 0% case that yours is the accurate one. It's what you want it to be, desperately NEED it to be, but it probably isn't true.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

Keep reading, fucko.

According to our new rules, this is not allowed.
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“Ironically, Joe Biden asked Shokin to leave because the prosecutor failed [to pursue] the Burisma investigation, not because Shokin was tough and active with this case,” Kaleniuk said to Radio Free Europe. “Zlochevsky had been Ukraine’s ecology minister under former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, a pro-Russian leader who had been forced into exile in Russia,” James Risen wrote for Intercept.

Risen added, “The then-vice president issued his demands for greater anti-corruption measures by the Ukrainian government despite the possibility that those demands would actually increase – not lessen — the chances that Hunter Biden and Burisma would face legal trouble in Ukraine.” Read his full report here.

According to Kyiv Post, “The accusations against the Bidens are not supported by any available evidence.” It is true, though, that Hunter Biden was sitting on the Burisma board of directors at the time Joe Biden was pushing for Shokin’s ouster. Kyiv Post called Shokin “a highly unpopular prosecutor general.” Kyiv Post reported: “Firtash was a close ally to Yanukovych and is still a business partner of the ex-president’s chief of staff, Serhiy Lovochkin. In his early days, he allegedly worked with organized crime boss Semyon Mogilevich and profited from a murky scheme to resell Turkmen gas.”

Quit reading what you want to read and just accept that maybe what you're being told is the truth, there's no fucking conspiracy, the Biden's aren't some nefarious global evil empire, and Trump's actually a festering wound.

 

[zinfamous]

If you mean "this" as in lying and bullshitting. Yes I am terrible at it, which is why I try to stick to facts and the truth. I'll leave it up to you lefties to lie, cheat, steal and lie again.

You obviously don't. This has been settled and the facts long-established. You are trying to re-litigate a non-controversial subject. You are mixing unrelated, incorrect dates of events into a conspiracy that can't possibly exist unless you purposely lie about the dates of when things happened.

You are literally lying about these events every time you claim that something is happening. That is factually what you are doing when you perpetuate this nonsense.

Please continue to defend your lies, however.

 

[interchange]

His son not being tossed in jail is a pretty huge personal benefit.

If you actually read the story of what happened, Biden, in seeking to remove Shokin was putting his son at greater risk. Ukraine had closed their investigation and never suspected Hunter of wrongdoing. The US and Western allies wanted Shokin out because he wasn't actually investigating oligarchs like he was supposed to. Why, if Biden feared his son being caught up in a corruption case, would he seek to fire the prosecutor who was corruptly shutting down the investigations that might implicate him?

 

[zinfamous]

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

No, not at all. You are fundamentally lying about all of these events, how and when they occurred, to draft an intentionally false narrative about relevance. The fact that you remain ignorant about these events because you trust sources that are intentionally lying to you, and you refuse to back-check this information, is irrelevant. You are spreading proven lies--so you are lying.

Joe Biden was part of an international group that demanded his ouster. It wasn't just Joe, it was everyone, including the Ukraine. It wasn't related at all to Hunter's position. That board was re-appointed after the dust settled as part of an attempt to clean house.

Why is it "just Joe" in your narrative? Notice how imminently important it is for you to insist that this is the case? you are desperate to defend a gross mischaracterization, to jumble the timelines. You need to do this, because these aren't facts. The only way you can defend these lies is to invent facts. To distort the relevant timeline and how things happened.

Everyone knows this is what you are doing. Is it not possible, in your mind, that you have been lied to? Are you in any way interested in looking at this from the actual facts of the events? Because that is not what you are doing. It simply isn't.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

Oh you mean the known agent of corruption which was removed not for investigating Biden but a whole host of things, the guy that the Ukraine people and the rest of the world interested in dealing with a potential partner, the embodiment of corruption itself?

Yeah that guy had cred. Next up, why we should have believed Bagdad Bob and Goebbels.

 

[ewdotson]

OK

Viktor Shokin Affidavit Mentions Joe Biden, Dmytro Firtash

Viktor Shokin, former top prosecutor for Ukraine, gave an affidavit that mentions Joe Biden and Dmytro Firtas. But some say the evidence counters his statement.

heavy.com

"Viktor Shokin, the ousted Ukrainian prosecutor whose name has surfaced in the wake of President Donald Trump’s controversial call with the Ukrainian president, claimed in an affidavit that he was forced out of office because he was leading a “wide-ranging corruption probe” into a company on whose board of directors Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, sat.

However, there are two very polarized narratives around the ouster of Shokin; there’s the above narrative, which is the one favored by Trump and his supporters as House Democrats push for impeachment proceedings. However, others say this narrative runs counter to the fact that Shokin was pushed out, after Joe Biden’s admitted pressure, because Shokin was perceived as soft on corruption and reluctant to probe Burisma, the company on whose board Hunter Biden was sitting."

See, a little of both.

Hmm, who to believe? The prosecutor who was fired under intense pressure by not just the US but the EU and IMF or folks like the executive director of the Kyiv-based Anti-Corruption Action Center? It's a mystery!

 

[woolfe9998]

Thread title poses a loaded question, is ridiculous, and is totally irresponsible.

 

[TheVrolok]

lol taj, not even close.

 

[TheVrolok]

Thread title poses a loaded question, is ridiculous, and is totally irresponsible.

Agreed. We need a new website similar to www.howdovaccinescauseautism.com for this.

 

[zinfamous]

Which is, as you know, fucking bullshit. There's different stories out there and you've made 0% case that yours is the accurate one. It's what you want it to be, desperately NEED it to be, but it probably isn't true.

No, there aren't. There just aren't.

There's the long-established story of what happened (this was all known well before 2 weeks ago and Trump reinvented the details, before any of you idiots were ever aware of any of this), and there is the WH talking points story.

That is what you are running with--talking points that are well-established to be a completely false narrative. You consider "some people saying" to be a story. It isn't a story. Not in any adult circle is this considered honest discussion. You need help to establish a more reasonable basis for engaging in debate when known facts are the only acceptable pivot of discussion.