What CPUs are supported for this Gateway motherboard?

[MIDIman]

A friend of mine has a Gateway Performance 550 from 1999. Main webapge is here

Motherboard is a Intel (Tabor 2) BX Motherboard w/ Integrated Audio R3 containing Intel 440BX PCIset, 82443BX PMC (492 mBGA), 82371EB PIIX4e (324 mBGA).

Its Slot1 with a very loud 40mm fan, which is the main reason for needing info...if I can't reploace the CPU with a newer one, I'll at least replace the Slot1 hs/fan.

If anyone has any info, I'd appreciate it.

 

[mechBgon]

I recommend asking Gateway using their form here. I had the same question with a different Gateway model at work, and they did answer me.

 

[gsethi]

oh yeah.....slot 1....i remember those. I had one of those.

you can only replace them with a Pentium III Processor. As far as i know, i think that Slot 1 only goes to 1000 Mhz (correct me if i am wrong here). They are also very hard to find and are expensive if you look at pricewatch. Your best bet to check for a used one on Ebay.

Also, those are SECC processors, right ?

there are two versions of slot 1s....dont remember the exact details though. you might wanna check Intel website for that.

hope that helps

gsethi

 

[bsr]

Not 100% sure, but I think slot1 P3's stoped at 600 or 800 Mhz ....

 

[gsethi]

they didnt stop at 600 (110% sure). I had a 750 Slot 1 in my old computer and made a tough choice at the time between 750 and 800, so they go to 800 for sure.

i am not sure if they go to 1000 but i think that they do. But still, those are very had cpus to get and were most popular at the time.

i wouldnt recommened spending over $80 for a 1000 Mhz PIII CPU though.

 

[mechBgon]

For the record, the P3 was available in Slot1 format up to a 1GHz running with a 133MHz FSB, according to Intel's s-spec list.

On a practical note, can you tell us more about the noisy fan? Is it a stock Intel heatsink/fan unit? If so, the fan would say "Intel" on it. Those usually clip onto the metal heatsink, rather than screwing on, and so it might call for some creativity to get the replacement fan attached. However, if it's a Intel-brand fan, I would try to get Intel to replace it under their 3-year warranty.

If the fan simply unscrews from the heatsink, then make sure of its measurements (40mm is an odd size, 50mm is more likely) and pick up a new fan such as
one of these or these or these. Make sure to get a ball-bearing fan and not sleeve-bearing.

 

[MIDIman]

So is it fairly guaranteed then that a faster CPU can be placed in the system? i.e. if 550 is supported, faster CPU's should also.

I understand what BX chipsets support, but I believe that earlier BX chipsets would not usually support Coppermine. I think the real issue is probably 100mhz FSB - I seriously doubt there is a 100mhz / 133mhz selector on the board, meaning I would be stuck with any 100mhz CPU, and that goes up to around 800 or so.

Would there be any issues however using a Slot1->PGA or FCPGA adapter and selecting 133mhz there? Guess the best thing would be to just try, eh? Unfortunately, the computer is an hour and a half away, and I probably won't be visiting there for another week or two.

Thanks for the link to gateway's customer help - e-mail sent.

 

[oldfart]

Check the alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 usenet group. You'll get an answer there.

 

[flawedexistence]

Heh, believe it or not, I'm still running a system with a BX chipset! Mobo is an ASUS CUBX with a 733 CuMine @ 826mhz. Actually quite fast and stable at 150mhz FSB. The BX is a wonderful chip............

 

[mechBgon]

MIDIman, what CPUs are supported may depend on:

1) Does it support the Coppermine voltage requirements? If not, the fastest CPU possible would be a Katmai P3 600MHz.

2) If it does support Coppermine voltages, what multipliers does it have available? BX boards don't officially support 133MHz, so you would be limited to the E-series Coppermines (600E, 800E, ect), and the board's supported multipliers would dictate how fast a CPU you could use.

A slocket will not get you past either the FSB or voltage issues, AFAIK. There were some BX boards that could run stable at 133MHz, but Gateway is probably not using them.

 

[MIDIman]

1) it appears to support cumine ok after a flash i made to the mobo - i threw in my 566@850 and could run at both 566 or 850 through the selector on the slotket

2) i'm not too worried about getting a 133mhz CPU - rather, the fastest celeron or p3 at 100mhz.

with that in mind - what is the fastest cumine celeron i can throw in here without modifying anything? i'm quite confused about it, since one user had said i can even use CPUs labelled "FCPGA2" on pricewatch...but aren't those tualitin CPU's and aren't they incompatible with this?

thx

 

[birddog]

the fastest copermine (fcpga) based Celeron is the 1000mhz (be careful because there is a 1000mhz tulatin (fcpga2) celeron also). All coppermine celerons have 128k L2 Cache, tulatin's have 256k. You will not be able to run a tulatin unless you do serious modifications. I would suggest a 1000 mhz PIII (100mhz fsb*10) either on a slotkit or a slot one (they did make slot 1 1Ghz PIII's).

Check the FS/FT forum here, you may come across some deals for a CPU.

 

[Rhuwyn]

You should be able to get at least a P3 800 Mhz and maybe up to a 1ghz. The 1Ghz P3s that run at a 100Mhz bus are hard to find but www.compgeeks.com has them in an out of stock more often then most sites and they usealy run around 160 or so

 

[mechBgon]

The question in my mind is what multipliers the board maxes out at. If you want to run a 1000MHz Coppermine Celeron, the board needs to have at least a 10x multiplier available (10 x 100MHz). So far you have run a 566@850 in it, which uses a 8.5x multiplier at either the 66MHz bus or the 100MHz bus.

If you get a 1GHz Coppermine Celeron and it won't fly, picking up a brand-new motherboard will only set you back another ~$60 shipped (Shuttle AV18E for instance).