What CPU for a new laptop?

donfm

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I never owned a laptop before and since I built my last core 2 duo desktop things have changed. I need a new laptop but I'm totally baffled by all the choices for an Intel cpu. Number of cores....what speed....these are things I don't know.

I need some help selecting the proper CPU for my new machine. My uses will be mostly just general use. I won't be doing any intensive video editing or compiling. But I would like the most powerful processor within reason. I want a machine to be able to do all but the most cpu intensive projects if I should so desire that won't be considered slow for a couple years at least. What should I be looking for? :D I guess a price range would be appropriate. I'd like to stay well below a grand if at all possible. Discrete video card would be nice.

Suggestions for specific laptops would be appreciated as well.
 
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Greenlepricon

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An i3 works very well and I've seen some pretty cheap laptops for about $400 that include them. If you add some more money and get a i5, then you'll be very happy. I don't think it makes sense to spend a ton of money on a laptop because they can't keep up with desktops very well, so for editing and stuff I would only recommend this as a secondary option. Also, anything clocked in the 2.3-2.5GHz range would be awesome and I think will give you plenty of power for what you're looking for. Keep it clean and tidy and it will last you for a few years no matter what you get.
 

Roland00Address

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How important is screen quality, for I find this to be one of the most important features in a laptop yet is often forgotten

Screen Size, Weight what is your goal?

Battery Life at a minimum how much do you want?
 

donfm

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How important is screen quality, for I find this to be one of the most important features in a laptop yet is often forgotten

Screen Size, Weight what is your goal?

Battery Life at a minimum how much do you want?

These are more things I don't really know much about. My son has a 15.6 inch Dell Studio 15R that seems plenty big for my needs. The weight is doable.

Weight is not something I really considered. The fact I will only be traveling with it on occasion I don't think that's a huge consideration.

Battery life...since I never had a laptop I don't really know. I suppose longer is better but something middle of the road would be fine. I don't need like 12 hours batter life since it won't mobile all that often.

I am not a gamer so would I really need a high def screen? I don't watch movies on my computer either only on my HT system. I don't know the pros and cons of one resolution screen over another.

As I said when I started...I never have had a laptop before.
 

donfm

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An i3 works very well and I've seen some pretty cheap laptops for about $400 that include them. If you add some more money and get a i5, then you'll be very happy. I don't think it makes sense to spend a ton of money on a laptop because they can't keep up with desktops very well, so for editing and stuff I would only recommend this as a secondary option. Also, anything clocked in the 2.3-2.5GHz range would be awesome and I think will give you plenty of power for what you're looking for. Keep it clean and tidy and it will last you for a few years no matter what you get.

Should I get a dual versus quad core thing confuses me. I assume the newer Ivy bridge cpus are better than older Sandy bridge if for nothing else less power consumption. Do I need a discrete video card or is onboard graphics good enough?

What is a good general usage resolution for a screen that will be crisp?

There are always a ton of laptops on sale using the older dual core M processors it seems.
 

Yuriman

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Ivy Bridge i3's just came out and would be a good choice (if you can find them yet), but Intel also has some dual core i5's and i7's (with hyperthreading) that would be excellent choices for portables. I don't think a quad is a good idea unless you're trying to build a desktop replacement.

If I were to get a laptop for myself, I would opt for ~14" screen (this is a very comfortable size for me) and would go out of my way to get a high quality panel. Note that high quality doesn't necessary mean high resolution, some other factors that come into play are viewing angles, contrast, and color accuracy. A lot of the panels they dump in laptops now are worse than what you'd find in 2005. Try not to get anything 1366x768. 1440x900 or 1680x1050 looks great on a 14".

As for onboard graphics, what Intel includes on their Sandy and Ivy chips is quite sufficient for a non-gamer. The HD4000 graphics included with the better Ivy chips is even good enough for light gaming.
 

Greenlepricon

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I would go for quad core if you can afford it, but it won't make a huge difference in most cases. I guess that's all about your price range. It's a good investment if you want to keep this laptop around for a few years in my opinion. Also you're right about Ivy Bridge. There are a few more improvements but again it won't make a major difference and it's all about how much money you want to put down.

For graphics, discrete will of course be better. If you want this laptop for business only, you probably won't need it unless you deal with animations or something. For light gaming or anything like that you probably want one. You can also look into APU's from AMD but you'll lose a few advantages of a fast processor for better graphics without a separate gpu.

Resolutions are tricky for me haha. I have a laptop with a resolution of 1280x800 or something and sometimes I have trouble telling the difference between it and my 1080p monitor. Other times there is a huge difference. Higher is obviously better, but again it's all about what you want out of this laptop and how much you're willing to spend on it. Go for HD if you can but make sure you're paying a reasonable price and you'll be happy.

Laptop deals get pretty amazing though, and if you can find a good laptop for way cheaper than retail you might even be happy with a pentium or celeron processor. These are pretty good although they don't lead the rest of the pack right now. I would try to get the most up to date processor (ivy or sandy bridge) if you really want to keep it going for a few years. Like I mentioned before, laptops don't seem like a long-term solution to anything except general use, so don't kill yourself trying to pay for a ridiculously fancy one. Buy one based on how demanding the work you'll be doing on it is and how long you want to keep it around for. Over and around the $1000 mark is where I would draw the line, but if you plan on rendering outside of home or something it may not be a bad choice.
 

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If I were to get a laptop for myself, I would opt for ~14" screen (this is a very comfortable size for me) and would go out of my way to get a high quality panel. Note that high quality doesn't necessary mean high resolution, some other factors that come into play are viewing angles, contrast, and color accuracy. A lot of the panels they dump in laptops now are worse than what you'd find in 2005. Try not to get anything 1366x768. 1440x900 or 1680x1050 looks great on a 14".

Great way to put it. I disagree about the worse panels comment, but it really hasn't changed that much. Contrast is a big thing to look for, but the smaller the screen the less you have to worry about resolution. Just read comments and if people say it looks nice then I guess that's good enough. Viewing angles shouldn't be that important for a personal laptop, but reviews or even going to a store and testing out a laptop (even if you're buying online) are the best ways you can decide what resolution you like, and what will look best for you.
 

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You might be surprised. I had a Dell 15.4" from 2006 and the viewing angles were so bad that (for instance) if I leaned back a little I would have to adjust the screen angle because the colors and brightness shifted so much. An IPS panel is worth its weight in gold in a mobile, at least to me.
 

Greenlepricon

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Oh interesting. They don't have cheap IPS panels for laptops unfortunately. I guess I haven't experienced this problem on laptops. I've only ever experienced poor contrast. Alright well I'll concede that you should follow Yuriman's advice, but testing and reading reviews are still going to be the best solutions.
 

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You "could" wait a month for AMD to release their new Trinity APU's which will be shipping with new laptops. They are much better in terms of power consumption than previous models and if you game at all, they are going to have a much better integrated graphics processor than previous models including anything from Intel. The tradeoff is that Intel processors as usually faster, but unless you are someone who benchmarks system performance, I doubt you will notice the difference between the two systems. The Trinity system may even cost less. Just my opinion, but to each their own of course.
 

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So with laptops in order of cpu speed they are in this relative order (for simplicity sake I am ignoring AMD, if you want to ask questions about AMD I will gladly answer, the problem with AMD is they have so little of the market and thus it is hard to find systems I can recommend with fervor.)

intel i3 sandybridge
intel i3 ivybridge
intel i5 sandybridge
intel i5 ivybridge
intel i7 sandybridge
intel i7 ivybridge

All the laptop i3s and i5s are 2 cores 4 threads. i7s with qm are 4 cores 8 threads, i7 with m or u in the name are 2 cores 4 threads.
All core i3, i5, and i7 are the same chip underneath it all, the difference between them is the ghz speed they run at (and the amount of cache they have but ignore cache for it has a negligable impact.)

To get an idea of relative speeds here you go
Sandybridge i3-2350m (2.3ghz base) is 100
Ivybridge i3-3210m (2.4 ghz base) is 115
Sandybridge i5-2450m (2.5 ghz base, 3.1 ghz turbo) is 135
Ivybridge i5-3210m (2.5 ghz base, 3.1 ghz turbo) is 145

The i7 laptop chips that have the qm are quad cores (qm stands for quad core mobile). Unless you are doing more than 4 intensive things at one time and taking advantage of 4 threads they perform very similarly to a i5 dual core. If you can take advantage of all 4 cores / 8 threads at a time they are twice as fast as the i5 dual core but if you are not taking advantage of those 2 cores / 4 threads you are literally wasting money. For what you are describing it sounds like a i5 would be best for you for you describe nothing that would take advantage of a i7. If you were doing video editing or compiling I would be trying to get you an intel i7 but for normal use an i5 is fast enough. With qm think workstation/desktop replacement if you are not doing these tasks you are wasting money.

As you can see the difference between sandybridge and ivybridge is not much about 6 to 10% due to slight tweaks, and sometimes 100 mhz faster which is 5% on the clock speed. The difference between the i3 and i5 is about 30% faster single and dual threaded performance due to turbo boost boosting the ghz from 2.3 to 2.5 ish to about 3 ghz.

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The reason why to get ivybridge is due to the better graphics. Intel hd3000 graphics on sandybridge is perfectly adequate for office and hd video watching, but if you want to game I would recommend getting a dedicated video card. Intel hd4000 is a slightly decent integrated graphics in a pinch but if you want to game I would recommend going all the way to dedicated card such as nvidia gt540m, gt630m (renamed gt540m), gt640m le, gt 650m, gtx 660m (double the speed of a 540m). If you get a dedicated card make sure it supports optimus so you can get drivers directly from nvidia instead of the oem (dell, hp, sony, etc.) Stay away from anything with dedicated radeon for getting drivers for these cards is a pain in the ass since you almost always get drivers from the oem directly. This may change in the future but currently it sucks ass (see the recent anandtech comments on enduro for more information.)

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There is almost no difference in battery life between sandybride vs ivybridge of the same voltage. 30 mins more at max. What ivybridge with their tri gate transistors ("3d" transistors") allow is their ultra low voltage chips to have almost the same mhz as their full voltage chips. Because of this in a 13 inch ultrabook you can get almost the same mhz as their traditional 15" size laptop. For example the i5 3317u is an ultrabook i5 that has a 1.7 ghz speed and a 2.6 ghz max turbo boost. The i5 3210m is a tradional i5 that is 2.5 ghz speed and 3.1 ghz max turbo boost, for having a max power consumption that is double (35w) the 3210m is only 20% faster than the 3317u which has a max power consumption of 17w. (to go back to those relative scores we are talking about the i5 3317u is roughly 125 vs 145 for the i5 3210m)

What determines battery life is not max power consumption but idle power consumption. And since sandybridge and ivybridge have a similar idle power consumption you barely get any more battery life with ivybridge.

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What will make the laptop feel much faster is getting a solid state drive in it. An i3 with a solid state drive will feel faster with a ssd than i7 with no ssd unless you are doing video rendering. Everything will load instantly with an ssd.
Almost all laptops can have their harddrive switched with a 7mm ssd or a 9mm. This will void the warranty though. If there is only 1 slot though you will have to take out the mechanical hard drive. If it is a 17 inch it may have two 2.5 inch bays so you can do 1 ssd and mechanical drive (some big 15 inches allow this). If the computer has a dvd drive you can buy adapters allowing you to take out the dvd drive and putting an ssd in its place. If you get a 2.5" ssd and do it yourself get a samsung 830 or a crucial ssd, an intel would be my third choice.
Some of these new computers have a slot called msata which is a new size for ssds. You can have a small computer which has space for a 2.5" hard drive and still have a slot for a msata ssd. An msata ssd is about 1/4 the physical size of a 2.5" hard drive. Some manufactures have properitary msata slots (ASUS comes to mind) so make sure that brand works with that drive. (Crucial msata ssds seem to be a good bargain on price for the do it yourselfer, I know the samsungs exist but they are hard to find on the market.)
Intel Ultrabooks are new computers in the 11 to 14" size that have ssds or ssds+hard drives in a combo form. These maybe what you want if you want to get a prebuilt laptop with changing parts. Some 14" ultrabooks have dvd drives but most are going for as light as possible. They start off in the $600 price for an onsale ultrabook but the normal starting price is about $800

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We were asking about screens for if you are going to be working for extended periods of time with a laptop the screen quality is one of the most important parts of the laptop experience. Some laptops have horrible screens, some are decent it is really hit or miss. There are many nice sony and hp with ips screens in the 15 inch size and the asus zenbook 13" ultrabooks with ips screens. A Sony with IPS 1080p screen is much better than a cheap 1080p screen, and is night and day with the super cheap 768p screens.

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Brands
For brands in the value section acer is alright as long as you do not get anything with the floating island keyboard garbage. (Aka the acer timeline x and acer v3 and v5 series are alright.)
For quality try to stick with asus, sony, or lenovo thinkpad they will cost more. (Lenovo ideapads are not the same thing as Lenovo thinkpads.)
I would stay away from HP. I am personally not a fan of toshiba being completely unimpressed. There are some nice Samsungs out there but there cheaper ones are not anything special.

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If you have more questions please ask and I will try my best to answer them.
I was unclear what size you want. Your son has a 15" dell is that an okay size for you, or is it not an okay size for you?
Do you mine adding an ssd to the computer yourself or you want it prebuilt from the factory they way you want it.
With a little more info I can start recommending computers.
 

donfm

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So with laptops in order of cpu speed they are in this relative order (for simplicity sake I am ignoring AMD, if you want to ask questions about AMD I will gladly answer, the problem with AMD is they have so little of the market and thus it is hard to find systems I can recommend with fervor.)

intel i3 sandybridge
intel i3 ivybridge
intel i5 sandybridge
intel i5 ivybridge
intel i7 sandybridge
intel i7 ivybridge

All the laptop i3s and i5s are 2 cores 4 threads. i7s with qm are 4 cores 8 threads, i7 with m or u in the name are 2 cores 4 threads.
All core i3, i5, and i7 are the same chip underneath it all, the difference between them is the ghz speed they run at (and the amount of cache they have but ignore cache for it has a negligable impact.)

To get an idea of relative speeds here you go
Sandybridge i3-2350m (2.3ghz base) is 100
Ivybridge i3-3210m (2.4 ghz base) is 115
Sandybridge i5-2450m (2.5 ghz base, 3.1 ghz turbo) is 135
Ivybridge i5-3210m (2.5 ghz base, 3.1 ghz turbo) is 145

The i7 laptop chips that have the qm are quad cores (qm stands for quad core mobile). Unless you are doing more than 4 intensive things at one time and taking advantage of 4 threads they perform very similarly to a i5 dual core. If you can take advantage of all 4 cores / 8 threads at a time they are twice as fast as the i5 dual core but if you are not taking advantage of those 2 cores / 4 threads you are literally wasting money. For what you are describing it sounds like a i5 would be best for you for you describe nothing that would take advantage of a i7. If you were doing video editing or compiling I would be trying to get you an intel i7 but for normal use an i5 is fast enough. With qm think workstation/desktop replacement if you are not doing these tasks you are wasting money.

As you can see the difference between sandybridge and ivybridge is not much about 6 to 10% due to slight tweaks, and sometimes 100 mhz faster which is 5% on the clock speed. The difference between the i3 and i5 is about 30% faster single and dual threaded performance due to turbo boost boosting the ghz from 2.3 to 2.5 ish to about 3 ghz.

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The reason why to get ivybridge is due to the better graphics. Intel hd3000 graphics on sandybridge is perfectly adequate for office and hd video watching, but if you want to game I would recommend getting a dedicated video card. Intel hd4000 is a slightly decent integrated graphics in a pinch but if you want to game I would recommend going all the way to dedicated card such as nvidia gt540m, gt630m (renamed gt540m), gt640m le, gt 650m, gtx 660m (double the speed of a 540m). If you get a dedicated card make sure it supports optimus so you can get drivers directly from nvidia instead of the oem (dell, hp, sony, etc.) Stay away from anything with dedicated radeon for getting drivers for these cards is a pain in the ass since you almost always get drivers from the oem directly. This may change in the future but currently it sucks ass (see the recent anandtech comments on enduro for more information.)

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There is almost no difference in battery life between sandybride vs ivybridge of the same voltage. 30 mins more at max. What ivybridge with their tri gate transistors ("3d" transistors") allow is their ultra low voltage chips to have almost the same mhz as their full voltage chips. Because of this in a 13 inch ultrabook you can get almost the same mhz as their traditional 15" size laptop. For example the i5 3317u is an ultrabook i5 that has a 1.7 ghz speed and a 2.6 ghz max turbo boost. The i5 3210m is a tradional i5 that is 2.5 ghz speed and 3.1 ghz max turbo boost, for having a max power consumption that is double (35w) the 3210m is only 20% faster than the 3317u which has a max power consumption of 17w. (to go back to those relative scores we are talking about the i5 3317u is roughly 125 vs 145 for the i5 3210m)

What determines battery life is not max power consumption but idle power consumption. And since sandybridge and ivybridge have a similar idle power consumption you barely get any more battery life with ivybridge.

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What will make the laptop feel much faster is getting a solid state drive in it. An i3 with a solid state drive will feel faster with a ssd than i7 with no ssd unless you are doing video rendering. Everything will load instantly with an ssd.
Almost all laptops can have their harddrive switched with a 7mm ssd or a 9mm. This will void the warranty though. If there is only 1 slot though you will have to take out the mechanical hard drive. If it is a 17 inch it may have two 2.5 inch bays so you can do 1 ssd and mechanical drive (some big 15 inches allow this). If the computer has a dvd drive you can buy adapters allowing you to take out the dvd drive and putting an ssd in its place. If you get a 2.5" ssd and do it yourself get a samsung 830 or a crucial ssd, an intel would be my third choice.
Some of these new computers have a slot called msata which is a new size for ssds. You can have a small computer which has space for a 2.5" hard drive and still have a slot for a msata ssd. An msata ssd is about 1/4 the physical size of a 2.5" hard drive. Some manufactures have properitary msata slots (ASUS comes to mind) so make sure that brand works with that drive. (Crucial msata ssds seem to be a good bargain on price for the do it yourselfer, I know the samsungs exist but they are hard to find on the market.)
Intel Ultrabooks are new computers in the 11 to 14" size that have ssds or ssds+hard drives in a combo form. These maybe what you want if you want to get a prebuilt laptop with changing parts. Some 14" ultrabooks have dvd drives but most are going for as light as possible. They start off in the $600 price for an onsale ultrabook but the normal starting price is about $800

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We were asking about screens for if you are going to be working for extended periods of time with a laptop the screen quality is one of the most important parts of the laptop experience. Some laptops have horrible screens, some are decent it is really hit or miss. There are many nice sony and hp with ips screens in the 15 inch size and the asus zenbook 13" ultrabooks with ips screens. A Sony with IPS 1080p screen is much better than a cheap 1080p screen, and is night and day with the super cheap 768p screens.

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Brands
For brands in the value section acer is alright as long as you do not get anything with the floating island keyboard garbage. (Aka the acer timeline x and acer v3 and v5 series are alright.)
For quality try to stick with asus, sony, or lenovo thinkpad they will cost more. (Lenovo ideapads are not the same thing as Lenovo thinkpads.)
I would stay away from HP. I am personally not a fan of toshiba being completely unimpressed. There are some nice Samsungs out there but there cheaper ones are not anything special.

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If you have more questions please ask and I will try my best to answer them.
I was unclear what size you want. Your son has a 15" dell is that an okay size for you, or is it not an okay size for you?
Do you mine adding an ssd to the computer yourself or you want it prebuilt from the factory they way you want it.
With a little more info I can start recommending computers.

Thanks for all that wonderful information. It was a great help! :)