What CPU do you hate the most?

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Fox5

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I dislike....
Pentium (pre pro) - Slow as balls, at a time when performance requirements were skyrocketing.

AMD K6 - A decent FPU compare to the Pentium, but horrible chipsets and performance that struggled to match a celeron.

Pentium 4 Willamette - Capitalized on the MHZ myth while being both legitimately much slower than what came before it, more expensive, trying to force expensive RDRAM to get somewhat acceptable performance out of it which has led to way too many people having Willamette computers with regular SDR ram and horrible performance and wondering why it doesn't perform well when the game says it only needs a 1ghz processor.

Athlon XP - Don't hate them, but their lack of thermal throttling is almost as annoying as Prescott just being damn hot. On the other hand, they generally had top end performance, were dirt cheap (I broke 2 of the things and didn't care because they only cost $50 a pop), and had an unmatched bang for the buck ratio. Considering they often sold for less than the cost of a Celeron with a mhz equivalent to their model rating, they could afford to have some suckiness.

Pentium 4 Prescott (and derivatives) - Too damn hot, all the time, even when idling they are as hot as an XP at load.

Any VIA CPU - Damn slow POSes whose performance per watt can be eclipsed by just about any downclocked intel or AMD chip made in the last 5 years. Ok, I don't really hate these, I'm actually glad they're on the market since they are competitive and easy to find a setup that suits that market segment, but a downclocked AMD or Intel chip is still better plus often cheaper, too bad it's hard to find a small form factor board that supports overclocking features.

Oh, Pentium 4 based Celerons - Ugh, once again, so many people wondering why their 2.2ghz processor can't run any crap acceptably. Horribly value too, considering how much more bang for the buck durons and semprons gave.

Motorola 68000 - Ugh, TI, use something newer for your calculators! At least HP uses Arm9's! (ok, it was a kick ass cpu back in the day, it's just now it's ugh)

G3 and G4 cpus - No Mac fanatics, your machines are not fast. (they were good when they originally launched, but stuck around way too long)

G5 - Maybe it was a bad chip, it had lower actual performance than Pentium 4s or Athlon 64s and had heat problems just as bad as Prescott. Maybe it was just a victim of unfortunate circumstances. Apple's chipsets had horrible performance with memory latency on par with what a 2001 VIA chipset with PC2100 would have. (maybe not that bad, but still pretty damn bad for the memory they were using) In addition, the strengths of the cpu seemed more geared towards...well the supercomputer/workstation market from which the cpu was derived from, rather than the desktop market. It could get absolutely crushed at some tasks, and even the things it was best at an Opteron would nip at its heels. The only people who would buy Mac high end at this point in time were the Mac faithful or those with legacy Mac software/skills to hold onto. Accordingly, Mac's high end sales nearly disappeared, hopefully Woodcrest will bring them back. I actually give the G3 and G4 some props for once being the leaders in performance, but this thing was slower from day one and the gap only grew as time went on.

The Falcon chip in Philips TVs.....what a buggy deinterlacing chip.

Intel XScale - Ok, I think this is Arm 9 based, but the lack of an FPU in the PDA market sucks. Just switch to low end x86 processors with Windows XP Embedded already. That, or add an FPU and some decent software support. Oh, cell phones could use a nice FPU too, if they're ever going to make good multimedia devices.

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
I'm pretty sure Asus had a converter available.



provide link?

Do you really need proof? Asus has convertors for just about everything imaginable, even things nobody wants. And if they don't, some other Taiwanese maker has done it and sold it on ebay or those hokey computer catalogs.
 

shaolin95

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My old Ciryx...took almost 4 minutes to load Wing Commander due to compatibility issues. It forced me to become an Intel fanboy for many years until my old Tbird 1.4 rescued me never to go back again.
 

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It forced me to become an Intel fanboy for many years until my old Tbird 1.4 rescued me never to go back again.

The brand of CPU you have in your computer(s) doesn't make you a fanboy.
 

RallyMaster

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Willamettes and Prescotts. Then come the hot running Thoroughbreds, Palominos, Thunderbirds....etc...
 

996GT2

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Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake
Originally posted by: 996GT2
THe 12 mhz Motorola 68000 Processor in my TI-89 takes 40 seconds to calculate 1000 digits of Pi...so on the speed scale that sits pretty low ;).

But as far as hating...well, I don't really HATE any CPU, but I do have a dislike for the socket 423 Pentium 4s, those things were much slower running windows compared to my 1 GHz PIII Dell back in the day (the ones I used had only 256mb RAM compared to the 512 in the PIII comp, but still...the next gen is supposed to improve on the previous gen in terms of speed)


Isnt the Ti - 89 have a 10mhz cpu? I though the ti- 92 plus had a 12mhz one. ( you can actually overclock those cpus to like 20mhz if u really wanted to :p)

I cant really say that the 423 ones sucked cause honestly i have never seen one (wasnt into comps back then), although the 1.7ghz p4 that my family got back then sure was fast compared to the previous comp which was 166mhz pentium 1 lol. It did suck compared to my first comp though p4 2.8ghz HT.

I have a 89 Titanium Hardware Version 3, I'm pretty sure that's 12 MHz versus the 10 on the original 89s. I think there is an updated HW4 version out now that has a 16 MHz CPU out of the box
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/story/0,10801,47393,00.html

"Originally designed to support the new direct Rambus dynamic RAM (RDRAM) memory, the 820 chips were shipped with a special converter that let the processor run synchronous dynamic RAM (SDRAM), a cheaper, more available but slower memory technology. Problems with the converter forced 820 users to endure unexpected reboots and other problems. The glitches also knocked back Intel's release schedule for its next-generation Timna CPUs, which were also designed for pairing with RDRAM."

Also: http://www.tomshardware.com/1999/12/06/comdex/page2.html

they aren't talking about a converter that allows the DIMM to fit into a RIMM...they are talking about the MTH (Memory Translator Hub) that was used ta allow SDRAM to work with the 820, you couldn't buy any special adapter, you need to read it a bit more carefully and do a bit more research on the 820...but with that being said, the i820 did suck donkey's balls compared to the 440BX and later i815

please read this

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1151&p=1

and

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=1045&p=8

I suggest you read the full article
 

pc131

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My Celeron 1700MHz 128kB L2 Cache - is a real bastard. When it comes to any multitasking or bigger data processing it acts like a crap. What's more? It can heat up to 60'C after few tasks done.

I NEVER AGAIN BUY CELERON!

My next CPU will be multicore w/ at least 2MB cache L2 - 16x more that this celeron has!
 

zsdersw

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they aren't talking about a converter that allows the DIMM to fit into a RIMM...they are talking about the MTH (Memory Translator Hub) that was used ta allow SDRAM to work with the 820, you couldn't buy any special adapter, you need to read it a bit more carefully and do a bit more research on the 820

What the hell do you think that MTH was? It was essentially a converter. A rose, by any other name, would smell just as sweet. It converted (translated) the signals so SDRAM would work in a motherboard that required RDRAM.

The fact that I didn't use its formal name (Memory Translator Hub) is probably a function of it being quite a long time since I've worked with 820 chipsets. But now I do remember that it was called a Memory Translator Hub.

Just because I didn't use its formal name doesn't mean anything.

they aren't talking about a converter that allows the DIMM to fit into a RIMM

It certainly did allow you to fit a DIMM (or DIMMs) into a RIMM slot. The SDRAM plugged into the converter, and the converter plugged into the RIMM slot. Here's another kicker... most "converters" have at least one chip on them to handle the logical part of the conversion whereas the wire traces and pin outs (and sockets/slots) on the PCB handle the physical part of the conversion. Even semi-formally, this could easily be called a "converter".
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
they aren't talking about a converter that allows the DIMM to fit into a RIMM...they are talking about the MTH (Memory Translator Hub) that was used ta allow SDRAM to work with the 820, you couldn't buy any special adapter, you need to read it a bit more carefully and do a bit more research on the 820

What the hell do you think that MTH was? It was essentially a converter. A rose, by any other name, would smell just as sweet. It converted (translated) the signals so SDRAM would work in a motherboard that required RDRAM.

The fact that I didn't use its formal name (Memory Translator Hub) is probably a function of it being quite a long time since I've worked with 820 chipsets. But now I do remember that it was called a Memory Translator Hub.

Just because I didn't use its formal name doesn't mean anything.

they aren't talking about a converter that allows the DIMM to fit into a RIMM

It certainly did allow you to fit a DIMM (or DIMMs) into a RIMM slot. The SDRAM plugged into the converter, and the converter plugged into the RIMM slot. Here's another kicker... most "converters" have at least one chip on them to handle the logical part of the conversion whereas the wire traces and pin outs (and sockets/slots) on the PCB handle the physical part of the conversion. Even semi-formally, this could easily be called a "converter".

please provide a link for this please, all of the links you have provided only state the MTH, which is used on 820 boards that ONLY support SDRAM, I have sold hundred, maybe thousands of 820 boards back when the P3 was big and have never heard of this adapter...the 820 boards either came in an RDRAM or SDRAM flavour....so there was no need for an adapter, you used one or the other type of memory depending on what type of baord you bought

until you provide a link and prove me wrong, I'll just simple state you are talking out of your arse..if this MAGICAL adapter does exsist then a link shouldn't be too hard for you to provide
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
I already did: http://www.tomshardware.com/1999/12/06/comdex/page2.html

It *is* a converter.. the Asus DR2 DIMM riser.

damn..ok I take back what I said...but what the fvck???? that makes the 820 even worse than I first thought....what the fvck????

I have never ever heard of that...but really whats the point...if you could afford an 820 RDRAM board at the time...then surely RDRAM wasn't a big ask then....why..oh why would they invent such a horrid device...ewwwww
 

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At the time, I was working for a whitebox PC builder that sold to a lot of schools and area businesses. We made a few RDRAM-based machines... with the 820 chipset in them. They were pretty good, on the whole. They were 733MHz P3's in one of those "slockets" with 512MB of PC800 RDRAM.

Edit: We never sold RDRAM-based computers to schools, though. The few we did build were sold to a local construction company and were used for CAD, IIRC.
 

Stumps

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
At the time, I was working for a whitebox PC builder that sold to a lot of schools and area businesses. We made a few RDRAM-based machines... with the 820 chipset in them. They were pretty good, on the whole. They were 733MHz P3's in one of those "slockets" with 512MB of PC800 RDRAM.

yeah we sold plenty of 820 machines with the slotkets as well, I still have one of the last 933's and a near new GA-6CXC i820 SDRAM(I saved from the bin when the sales of the i820 bummed out after the i815 came out) still in perfect working order....it's a collectors item but damn they were slow.

the RDRAM models were pretty good...but the cost made them pratically unsellable, as such the P3 tended to walk out the door with a VIA chipset board...now that was a pretty good combo.
 

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Where I work now, we're just getting rid of the last of our Windows 98 machines... the only ones left are the 815-based 866 and 933MHz ones.
 

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Originally posted by: zsdersw
The Intel Pentium 3 Coppermine with the 820 chip set, the one that used RAMBUS

IIRC, the problem with that chipset occurred when people tried to use regular SDRAM in it via some sort of converter. If you used RDRAM, there was no problem.

My current computer features 1GB of pc1066 RDRAM (850E chipset).. and I've been very pleased with it for the 4+ years I've had it.

What is your current computer? Thats interesting as ive never seen anyone here claim to have 1GB of RDRAM, or any RDRAM for that matter. Is the i850E called garibaldi? I think i also owned that.
 

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My current computer is a P4 2.4B (northwood, 533 fsb) running on an Asus P4T533-C motherboard.. with 1GB of pc1066 RDRAM.
 

996GT2

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Hey that's like what I used to run on...except mine was a 2.66 GHz NW with 1 GB of DDR333...but now it's OOA since I sold the RAM and moved its 120GB Seagate to my current comp ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Xonoahbin
Duron. Garbage, period. Breaks easily, runs near 70' C, was expensive, not very powerful. Horrible.


Depends which durons you're talking about and what time frame. The First durons were great! Faster than P3 and were way cheaper than Athlons.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: DaNorthface
Originally posted by: Xonoahbin
Duron. Garbage, period. Breaks easily, runs near 70' C, was expensive, not very powerful. Horrible.


Depends which durons you're talking about and what time frame. The First durons were great! Faster than P3 and were way cheaper than Athlons.

Yeah, the durons slightly outdid the P3s clock for clock, and the Athlons were clocking a few hundred mhz higher than the p3s at the time so the durons were able to be clocked on par with p3s and still kick ass.
Durons during the P4 era weren't that bad either, they were clocked below a celeron of the same clock speed, yet would outperform a p4 at that clock speed. A $40 chip outperforming a $120 chip? Not a bad deal.
 

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Originally posted by: Xonoahbin
Duron. Garbage, period. Breaks easily, runs near 70' C, was expensive, not very powerful. Horrible.

Breaks easily? Sure they are more fragile than P3s and P4s but then again chances are that people simply aren't careful enough when installing the HSF.

Runs near 70C? All Durons run fine at 70C. That's what AMD said.

Expensive? Then the Pentiums must be priceless.

Not very powerful? Duron is a budget processor. And it can match or even outrun the Pentium compeition...Surely that is weak.