What costs more & have a crappier display?

[zerogear]

:drumroll: iPad Mini Retina.

Retina iPad Mini Comes ‘Distant Third’ In Display Shootout Against Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HDX

Read more at http://www.cultofandroid.com/45984/...-nexus-7-kindle-fire-hdx/#Dbu4hGcMUeR8Jpbh.99

Source here: http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_ShootOut_4.htm

Discuss.

 

[Joe1987]

Apple is doomed?

 

[zerogear]

Are they? They still have a fairly healthy profit margin.

 

[Ravynmagi]

I have an iPad mini with retina and Nexus 7 2013. The Nexus 7 has better colors and can get much brighter but has some disappointing backlight bleeding. My iPad mini has less saturated colors and isn't as bright, but has a bigger display and barely has any backlight bleeding.

And I hear the Fire HDX has some issues with blue glow from the edges or something.

I think it's kind of a wash between these tablets. They all have very good displays.

 

[openwheel]

No back light bleeding here with my Nexus 7. Thats dispointing regarding iPad Mini retina display.

 

[Joe1987]

Honestly, I don't care, I was/am pretty happy with the original Mini, have a 16GB LTE pre ordered, the original Mini looks fine to me (I realize I'm in the minority there)

 

[openwheel]

I remember hearing about this from PocketNow. I didn't think much of it since I rather have Anand or Klug do the test.

This makes the iPad Air even more enticing for potential iPad buyers.

 

[lopri]

I remember hearing about this from PocketNow. I didn't think much of it since I rather have Anand or Klug do the test.

The did.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3

I suspect the justification here is Apple likely views the bigger iPad as being a better fit for photographers/those who care about color reproduction, but it’s a shame that this is a tradeoff that exists between the two iPads especially given how good Apple is about sRGB coverage in nearly all of its other displays

Oh how so understanding of them. Who knew Apple had such a paternalistic concern for the consumers?

Compare that to Galaxy S4 or Note 3 display reviews. Even if Samsung keeps improving AMOLED (Note 3's display, for example, gives sRGB option of which accuracy is top of the line), their comments reek of sarcasm, distrust, and downright denials. The depth they are willing to go to criticize Samsung is also astounding, if you compare other devices that often get a pass from them, despite their sub-par displays. (e.g., Shield, Moto X, anything with Intel graphics) Usually they do it by silence while focusing on other positives of those devices, which is even more morally dubious.

Galaxy S4 Display: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/8
Note 3 Display: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/5

I myself value color accuracy, but their ridiculous bias made me even appreciate AMOLED screens, because Samsung keeps proving them wrong and makes them look like idiots.

 

[Ravynmagi]

I remember hearing about this from PocketNow. I didn't think much of it since I rather have Anand or Klug do the test.

This makes the iPad Air even more enticing for potential iPad buyers.

I replaced my iPad Air with an iPad Mini. And at first I didn't even notice a difference in the displays. It isn't something that jumps out at you. I did notice it once it was brought to my attention and I put the two side by side.

The colors on last years Nexus 7 drove me nuts. And at least I can say the iPad Mini's colors are no where near as bad as that.

 

[Dari]

The did.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3



Oh how so understanding of them. Who knew Apple had such a paternalistic concern for the consumers?

Compare that to Galaxy S4 or Note 3 display reviews. Even if Samsung keeps improving AMOLED (Note 3's display, for example, gives sRGB option of which accuracy is top of the line), their comments reek of sarcasm, distrust, and downright denials. The depth they are willing to go to criticize Samsung is also astounding, if you compare other devices that often get a pass from them, despite their sub-par displays. (e.g., Shield, Moto X, anything with Intel graphics) Usually they do it by silence while focusing on other positives of those devices, which is even more morally dubious.

Galaxy S4 Display: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6914/samsung-galaxy-s-4-review/8
Note 3 Display: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/5

I myself value color accuracy, but their ridiculous bias made me even appreciate AMOLED screens, because Samsung keeps proving them wrong and makes them look like idiots.

What's really sad is that you're only looking at one metric and missing the entire forest. sRGB isn't the only thing that Apple takes into consideration and I will take Apple's history and depth of knowledge when it comes to color accuracy over a consumer electronics follower that is not known for quality. We all know Samsung's AMOLEDs have subpar tinting.

 

[openwheel]

Note 3 has great color accuracy to my eyes, but I can't say I am an expert. The Note 3 does not look like a typical over saturated AMOLED to me.

 

[QueBert]

While a display's important, I'll take waaaaaay better apps with a screen that's lacking slightly behind the leaders over the best screen in the world with meh apps. Shitty apps aren't magically transformed to great ones because the screen's superior. There's a lot more to a tablet than the screen, and depending on your needs, imho you can get a ton more for your money with an iPad

 

[openwheel]

According to the article, the retina display lags behind as "distant 3rd" behind Nexus 7 and even the Kindle.

Not " slightly" behind the leaders.

 

[lopri]

Wrong thread, sorry.

 

[poofyhairguy]

What's really sad is that you're only looking at one metric and missing the entire forest. sRGB isn't the only thing that Apple takes into consideration

What else is there?

The Mini screen doesn't get as bright as the competition, nor does it blow away other devices on viewing angles.

What metric should we be looking at? Apple's profits?

The Mini screen is what it is because Apple only gives value relative to their own scale. The limitations of the Mini screen gives a reason to upsell to the Air and counteract the trend of the Mini dominating iPad sales amount Apple enthusiasts (like retina last gen).

The market competition might have made them make that Mini, but Apple will be damned before the lower priced (to them) item is the flagship of the lineup (like Google did with the N7).

One day Apple's product and marketing advantage will decrease to the point where they have to provide value relative to the market. The sad part is that if that was today the Mini would be the perfect tablet (if it had a screen with better colors and 2GB of RAM for example).

 

[ITHURTSWHENIP]

I think its really dissapointing that Apple is being cheap here considering the price and the margins they have on the Retina Mini. With that said i still wouldnt buy the Nexus 7

It has absolutely horrible QC. I exchanged 3 different ones that all suffered from the touchscreen issue (i know there is some fix on XDA but thats BS, i shouldnt have to fix it through third party) and finally just took it back and got a refund. And im not even THAT picky, otherwise there are dead pixels and backlight bleed issues

 

[lopri]

What's really sad is that you're only looking at one metric and missing the entire forest. sRGB isn't the only thing that Apple takes into consideration and I will take Apple's history and depth of knowledge when it comes to color accuracy over a consumer electronics follower that is not known for quality.

You can't be serious. iDevices had awfully inadequate and inaccurate colors in the past. It's only with the iPhone 5 Apple started taking color accuracy seriously. (that is, last year) It may not sound believable - which is understandable since all the focus was given to "Retina" prior to that point. Go check out iPhone 4/4S display reviews and tell me how accurate their displays are. Even after the iPhone 5, Retina Mackbook Air came out with horrendous display that was immediately noticed by lay persons. (Though I suspect the Intel GPU was more to blame than calibration there)

I am waiting for the day Apple adopt some sort of OLED screens and this site declares that "OLED is the future," "OLED done right," etc. It will be hilarious.

We all know Samsung's AMOLEDs have subpar tinting.

I don't even know what subpar tinting is. What does it describe?

 

[openwheel]

The 1st display that Apple impressed me was on the iPad 3. It was truly useful as a media consumption device. Good color accuracy and extremely sharp for reading. Too bad it was under powered and overheat. No wonder they released iPad 4 so quick. The iPad Mini Retina is mediocre at best and the original Mini has a display that is simply dull. I believe Apple and Steve Jobs originally wanted AMOLED but couldn't get the supplies. Correct me if I am wrong.

However, it is more astonishing that the new Nexus 7 includes such beautiful display at bargain price. In the World of never ending depreciating tech value, this is most important. The Note 3 has very accurate colors to my eyes too.

 

[QueBert]

What else is there?

The Mini screen doesn't get as bright as the competition, nor does it blow away other devices on viewing angles.

What metric should we be looking at? Apple's profits?

The Mini screen is what it is because Apple only gives value relative to their own scale. The limitations of the Mini screen gives a reason to upsell to the Air and counteract the trend of the Mini dominating iPad sales amount Apple enthusiasts (like retina last gen).

The market competition might have made them make that Mini, but Apple will be damned before the lower priced (to them) item is the flagship of the lineup (like Google did with the N7).

One day Apple's product and marketing advantage will decrease to the point where they have to provide value relative to the market. The sad part is that if that was today the Mini would be the perfect tablet (if it had a screen with better colors and 2GB of RAM for example).

Color accuracy's more important than brightness to me, hell I can't stand looking at screens most people love because they say they're "vivid" Vivid to them = way too damn bright with exaggerated colors. When I hear someone say "I got a new tablet, and man the images POP on the screen" 9/10 times I'm going to hate it. While I don't really love the new Mini's screen, it looks more true to life to me. The new Nexus 7 is just OMGWTFBBQSAUCE bright to make up for for the tint just being wrong for most of the colors. If I owned one the 1st thing I'd do is differently crank down the brightness a lot.

 

[openwheel]

The new Nexus 7 screen is too bright? Were you looking at display model set at 100% brightness? It is capable of getting very bright but no one in their right mind would use 100% except under the sun. Mine is on auto brightness and it does an excellent job auto adjusting. Its colors are way more accurate than the Minis. See all the test results.

 

[Super56K]

I haven't seen a retina mini in person, but I currently have both a 7" Fire HDX and a Nexus 7 2013. I definitely agree with Displaymate's results - the HDX screen is noticeably better than the Nexus 7's, but that really doesn't matter because the Kindle's forked OS is really bad in comparison. Ultimately, it's kind of a waste of an excellent screen.

 

[deathBOB]

If the mini had nothing else going for it this might be a big deal, but I don't think it is. I put myself in the camp of "potential tablet buyers" (i.e. unemployed ) and this wouldn't keep me from buying the Mini over the Nexus 7 or HDX. The price however...

 

[Commodus]

This isn't going to be a big deal. The iPad mini is still faster than other small tablets, has a higher resolution than other small tablets, and has more native (and higher quality) apps than other small tablets. Unlike last year's iPad mini, you're paying more than you would for competitors because you're getting more in almost every area -- this is a flagship-class tablet that just happens to have an 8-inch screen.