What China Needs Now: Independent Unions

[glenn1]

Would be interested if this could be pulled off. At this stage in the game it's likely that unions could become a stabilizing political force in China as well.


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[drinkmorejava]

ahahahahahahhh, that absolutely hilarious, I've never heard anyone try and put China and unions together in the same sentence not related to how it will never happen. Fundamentally for there to be trade unions China could not consider itself communist. The government thrives on its oppression of the people as its only source power. Yes there are the SEZs and the 8 useless little democratic parties but they're highly separated from the common citizen. In fact, the only reason the SEZs are around is because communism alone won?t give the government the money it needs to maintain some position of authority in the world. It's one thing to allow the people to have a little more access to information and a slightly larger voice with a thing like the internet, but to allow a self operated, community of people to pursue something that has only one goal in mind (from the eyes of the government) just wont happen. And if that goal is to take power away from the government and not accept its complete control that is exactly what would not happen in current day China. Maybe in another 20-30 years once the 5th generation of leaders (lol, I don't think they're quite disserving of that word) comes around.

 

[drinkmorejava]

Oh come on people, I thought it was mildly interesting, no one else wants to post?

 

[EatSpam]

China and Wal-mart have the same philosophy. Unions are bad.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: EatSpam
China and Wal-mart have the same philosophy. Unions are bad.

Wal-Mart has a open door policy, so there is no need for unions. Besides, unions are greedy and require fees. Wal-mart takes care of its employees thru the open door policy. You can see that I'm no big fan of Wal-Mart, see my thread about slave labor in China, however, I totally support Wal-Mart's pro open door policy and its stance on unions.

Unions are declining in power and there will be one day that there will be virtually no unions left. They had their place in 1945, but in 2005, they are very much obselete.

 

[ntdz]

What China needs is to get rid of communism and move to a free market economy.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: EatSpam
China and Wal-mart have the same philosophy. Unions are bad.

Wal-Mart has a open door policy, so there is no need for unions. Besides, unions are greedy and require fees. Wal-mart takes care of its employees thru the open door policy. You can see that I'm no big fan of Wal-Mart, see my thread about slave labor in China, however, I totally support Wal-Mart's pro open door policy and its stance on unions.

Unions are declining in power and there will be one day that there will be virtually no unions left. They had their place in 1945, but in 2005, they are very much obselete.

I think Unions were great back in the 40's and 50's, but lately they've started to become a negative influence on our country and business. Just look at the baseball union for example. Baseball can't even impliment a steroids policy without the PLAYERS accepting it first...WHAT!? Not only that, but the players are making millions of dollars, and thats at the low end. Look at the aviation industry. The pilots union is killing the industry, striking all the time, demanding higher wages when the airlines are losing money.

 

[Tab]

What's this open door policy?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: ntdz
What China needs is to get rid of communism and move to a free market economy.

It's not really a communist country.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: EatSpam
China and Wal-mart have the same philosophy. Unions are bad.

Wal-Mart has a open door policy, so there is no need for unions. Besides, unions are greedy and require fees. Wal-mart takes care of its employees thru the open door policy. You can see that I'm no big fan of Wal-Mart, see my thread about slave labor in China, however, I totally support Wal-Mart's pro open door policy and its stance on unions.

Unions are declining in power and there will be one day that there will be virtually no unions left. They had their place in 1945, but in 2005, they are very much obselete.

I think Unions were great back in the 40's and 50's, but lately they've started to become a negative influence on our country and business. Just look at the baseball union for example. Baseball can't even impliment a steroids policy without the PLAYERS accepting it first...WHAT!? Not only that, but the players are making millions of dollars, and thats at the low end. Look at the aviation industry. The pilots union is killing the industry, striking all the time, demanding higher wages when the airlines are losing money.

In case no one told you but unions are supposed to have a negitive effect on a business. A union job is to make sure an employee gets the most money and can't be fired.

As for a union to pop in china would be like a union popping up in wal mart it would have to happen all over the country and immdenitly go on strike or the union would be crush, by a tank in china.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Tab
What's this open door policy?

You ask for a raise so you can get off public aid and Wal-Mart boots you out the open door.

 

[Chinadefender]

Wal-Mart vs. All-China Federation of Trade Unions
http://english.people.com.cn/200310/08/eng20031008_125506.shtml

At least not as some swellhead exaggerates. The labor market in China is unbalanced and unhealthily structured. That is the main reason why labor unions cannot work well.

There have been and are many strikes in China, too.

And about independent unions. People with different interests may have various views upon trade unions.

1. Do trade unions in America perform so independently? Even in 1950s, the union leaders often use union power to bargain more personal interests, often involved with Maffia.

2. In America, many companies, including Wal-mart, Dell... did not like to tolerate trade unions, no matter whether they are independent or not.

 

[micnn]

problem with wal mart's open door policy is it's flawed, corrupted, therefore sex and race discriminations, worst benefits, slavish and starving workers... etc.

problem with China's open door policy is there's no such policy.