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What charges a battery faster, AC or no AC?

shortylickens

No Lifer
2003 S-10 V6. 6 month old Interstate that hasnt had any issues until last week. Car is normally run once a week for an hour, to charge it.

I already learned the hard way that 30 minutes isnt enough to charge a completely dead battery. But am still confused as to why its been fine for months up until now. I was using the Max AC option and ran it hard for half an hour.
 
AC should not have an effect on battery charging. engine RPM will have an effect. if you are discharging the battery every week I am not surprised it is going bad. Why not just disconnect it when you are not using the truck? Then It will not die for some time.
 
If the idle is low enough (assume it is just sitting while running...?) then running the AC with a high blower setting may cause it to not charge properly (low current/voltage due to low RPM of the alternator)...

But yes best idea is to disconnect the battery between times...
 
If the idle is low enough (assume it is just sitting while running...?) then running the AC with a high blower setting may cause it to not charge properly (low current/voltage due to low RPM of the alternator)...

But yes best idea is to disconnect the battery between times...

I did not think of the blower, was only thinking of the compresser. I agree, that with the blower running you will charge the battery slower, as you are using some of the alternator output for running the blower and not charging the battery.
 
God bless 'Merica... where we can have so many vehicles that we have to worry about keeping the batteries charged on the ones we never drive.

Here's a thought, why don't you donate it to some family that might actually need and/or use it?

A legitimate question was asked so why not just answer with a bit of respect that you would ask for...?

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Bartman39
 
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God bless 'Merica... where we can have so many vehicles that we have to worry about keeping the batteries charged on the ones we never drive.

Here's a thought, why don't you donate that piece of crap to some family that might actually need and/or use it?

Give someone an S10? With a 4300 and a 4L60E?

Why not just take a dump in their living room?

Following suit is not a solution but adding to the problem...

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Bartman39
 
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Give someone an S10? With a 4300 and a 4L60E?

Why not just take a dump in their living room?

those are pretty good little trucks. wish they still made a small pickup like that in the US. the "small" ones are the size of the old 1/2 tons now.

I am in oz and have a little vehical envy going on at the moment!

I want a 70 series!!!! or a Prado, or a hilux, or a pajaro or a .... so many cool trucks here.
 
If the battery is close to dead it will take a GOOD 3-5 hours of driving to charge it. Most lead acid car batteries can/will "absorb" 20amps per hour of juice at 14.4v and most car size batteries are in the 60-100 amp capacity range. An hour of idle will only charge your battery 20-30%
 
AC doesnt matter. Engine speed will be modified to keep charging output consistent regardless of load at idle, and while driving the factory spec alternator output is high enough to dwarf the load of any factory accessories.
 
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+1 on the tender/charger and taking it out of the truck. The battery should last 6mo +/- sitting by itself before it needs to be charged.
 
Give someone an S10? With a 4300 and a 4L60E?

Why not just take a dump in their living room?



Well, sure could "take a dump" in our house. We managed 250k out of our '02 Blazer, and we surely weren't very kind to it, making it tow near its rated capacity for its entire life.

Just curious....you ever have a nice thing to say about anything? You've got to be one of the most negative persons to post around here....tough to live such a negative life, isn't it?
 
God bless 'Merica... where we can have so many vehicles that we have to worry about keeping the batteries charged on the ones we never drive.

Here's a thought, why don't you donate it to some family that might actually need and/or use it?

A legitimate question was asked so why not just answer with a bit of respect that you would ask for...?

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Bartman39

And I gave a legitimate answer/suggestion. I removed the offending comment though...

And the infraction expires in a year? Really? What's next? Perma-ban for talking back to a mod? :whiste:

No but a few days off might help...?

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Bartman39

Another 20 points? Unbelievable... 🙄
 
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You can buy a solar charger for around $10-20 that plugs into the cig. lighter, trickle charges it without the need to run an extension cord from the house to it. Go ahead and knock the S-10 but (intake manifold issues aside) I've seen people get 300K out of them..
 
Sorry, Bart. I guess my thought was kind of: Well, he just asked about the AC, and I think his question has been answered. So I'll just follow Jules' lead and use it to mock S10's because I hate them. :/

And I do hate them. Mehgan, I would pose the same question to you that I would most people who say 'look how many miles I've been able to rack up on this vehicle you think sucks'...do you have 100% of the history on it? And it's never had a major repair? If the answer is 'yes,' well...I don't believe you.

When someone says 'look, my Corolla has 250k, and I never really even did maintenance!'...I believe them. I've seen some old Toyotas survive some stunning neglect. With an S10/Blazer of that era...I have severe doubts. The trans has never been pulled to address the front pump issue? Never needed a rear main seal? Every engine accessory (AC compressor, alternator, power steering...) hasn't died at least once? Never had the intake off? If you've had to give it a constant stream of money to keep it going, I can't see calling it reliable. Going back to a beater 4cyl Toyota as a comparison, a lot of those cars have never had anything taken off of the engine aside from the valve cover. That's a big difference.

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OP
, if you want help diagnosing your charging system, I'll gladly help you, FWIW. You probably do have a slight issue if you're idling it for an hour a week and the battery is repeatedly going dead.

For one, I would say 'don't idle it.' Drive it. Take it to work one day a week or something.

Two, realize that your battery is fighting a war of attrition. A minor charging issue could take months to manifest itself as a problem. E.g. Batt is 100%...vehicle sits, batt discharges to 90%...vehicle starts and runs, batt ends up around 95%...continue with a similar pattern. Said pattern would be further exacerbated by a battery that was never fully-charged to begin with (they rarely are). It might take a good long while before it actually ceases to start.

I'd start with the basics, though. Let the parts store fully charge the battery and do a quick test. Make sure your connections are good when you put the battery back in. Side posts don't tend to suffer from the layer of corrosion that can inhibit top posts. If the terminals/cables look okay, they're probably okay. Just make sure the bolts tighten up- if they spin, someone may have stripped out the threads in the battery. Or just the posts. And if the bolt heads on the posts are chewed up from someone using the wrong tool, get some new ones (...and a 5/16 wrench).

Past that, I'll go to what I always say: get a voltmeter. Check charging voltage, check v-drop across cables when starting.
 
If you ran it hard for half an hour, that certainly should have topped up the battery after sitting for just one week.

Can you take it to an Advance Auto or Auto Zone for a free charging system check?
 
Sorry, Bart. I guess my thought was kind of: Well, he just asked about the AC, and I think his question has been answered. So I'll just follow Jules' lead and use it to mock S10's because I hate them. :/

And I do hate them. Mehgan, I would pose the same question to you that I would most people who say 'look how many miles I've been able to rack up on this vehicle you think sucks'...do you have 100% of the history on it? And it's never had a major repair? If the answer is 'yes,' well...I don't believe you.

When someone says 'look, my Corolla has 250k, and I never really even did maintenance!'...I believe them. I've seen some old Toyotas survive some stunning neglect. With an S10/Blazer of that era...I have severe doubts. The trans has never been pulled to address the front pump issue? Never needed a rear main seal? Every engine accessory (AC compressor, alternator, power steering...) hasn't died at least once? Never had the intake off? If you've had to give it a constant stream of money to keep it going, I can't see calling it reliable. Going back to a beater 4cyl Toyota as a comparison, a lot of those cars have never had anything taken off of the engine aside from the valve cover. That's a big difference.

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OP
, if you want help diagnosing your charging system, I'll gladly help you, FWIW. You probably do have a slight issue if you're idling it for an hour a week and the battery is repeatedly going dead.

For one, I would say 'don't idle it.' Drive it. Take it to work one day a week or something.

Two, realize that your battery is fighting a war of attrition. A minor charging issue could take months to manifest itself as a problem. E.g. Batt is 100%...vehicle sits, batt discharges to 90%...vehicle starts and runs, batt ends up around 95%...continue with a similar pattern. Said pattern would be further exacerbated by a battery that was never fully-charged to begin with (they rarely are). It might take a good long while before it actually ceases to start.

I'd start with the basics, though. Let the parts store fully charge the battery and do a quick test. Make sure your connections are good when you put the battery back in. Side posts don't tend to suffer from the layer of corrosion that can inhibit top posts. If the terminals/cables look okay, they're probably okay. Just make sure the bolts tighten up- if they spin, someone may have stripped out the threads in the battery. Or just the posts. And if the bolt heads on the posts are chewed up from someone using the wrong tool, get some new ones (...and a 5/16 wrench).

Past that, I'll go to what I always say: get a voltmeter. Check charging voltage, check v-drop across cables when starting.

"Never did any maintenance?" wow, I didn't know a Corolla was so tough it could run 13 years on the same oil. We all know the japs built some great 4 bangers, it's a given, but I personally know someone who has a '99 S10 V6 that runs fine, just oil changes, 190K and counting..
 
Right, 'cause it was totally clear that I meant no oil changes, as opposed to simply saying the car was neglected. E.g. Infrequent oil changes, lack of trans service, lack of cooling system service, huge timing belt intervals (if applicable), ect.

Much like GM's full-size trucks (or their V6 cars...hell, most of their cars) people seem to confuse 'hard to kill' with 'bulletproof.' My definition of reliability requires more than 'it went 200k and totally didn't throw a rod or anything!'
 
My one data point with the S10 is Three Pedal Mafia's S10 Lemons car. It has finished every race I've seen it at, with a respectable number of laps. It's not a bad platform.

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http://blog.caranddriver.com/24-hou...volvo-262c-bertone-turbo-chevette-and-a-boat/

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And I gave a legitimate answer/suggestion. I removed the offending comment though...

And the infraction expires in a year? Really? What's next? Perma-ban for talking back to a mod? :whiste:

You don't need a _______. Why don't you sell it and donate the proceeds to Goodwill. :biggrin:

Let's run everyone else's life instead of our own... 😛
 
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