What ATI gonna do when 7900GTO sales for $250?

[mikek753]

hi all

interesting to see how NV one step ahead of ATI in sales.
How ATI will or already respond to that GTO for $250?

 

[Kromis]

Nah, they won't do anything. This is a moniker by EVGA, not Nvidia.

 

[ElFenix]

what the heck is a 7900gto?

and is it faster than this?

 

[BassBomb]

gto is goin for 270 in canada, so 250 in the states is pretty bad

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
what the heck is a 7900gto?

and is it faster than this?

its a GTX with slower mem clocks

http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.a...512-P2-N573-AR&pwindow=specs&family=22

 

[fierydemise]

ATI doesn't need to do anything they already have a similarly performing card for $250 (X1900XT)

 

[JBT]

the 1900xt 512MB card performs better than the GTX does ussually and I doubt the 256mbversion of the XT performs too differently. So IMO since you can already get a 256 MB Xt for less than 250 ATI doesn't have to do a darn thing because of the GTO... Its more like what Nvidia had to do to catch ATI not the other way around.

 

[josh6079]

The GTO looks awesome, but good luck finding one. So far everywhere I checked has them out of stock.

It would perform about the same as an X1900XT.

 

[Madellga]

As for performance, we all know that GTX x XT1900 were on the same level, just pending the games you like.

The GTX does not have the HDR + AA, but it runs cooler, quieter and scales better when used on SLI.

And as 2 are for the price of 1, I'm getting 2 from MSI. People say it has 1.1 ram, so it should good to go @GTX speeds.

Let's see how they go.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Madellga
As for performance, we all know that GTX x XT1900 were on the same level, just pending the games you like.

The GTX does not have the HDR + AA, but it runs cooler, quieter and scales better when used on SLI.

And as 2 are for the price of 1, I'm getting 2 from MSI. People say it has 1.1 ram, so it should good to go @GTX speeds.

Let's see how they go.

Maby they reduced the memory voltage so you can't OC as high.
Another memory vmod?

 

[A5]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: Madellga
As for performance, we all know that GTX x XT1900 were on the same level, just pending the games you like.

The GTX does not have the HDR + AA, but it runs cooler, quieter and scales better when used on SLI.

And as 2 are for the price of 1, I'm getting 2 from MSI. People say it has 1.1 ram, so it should good to go @GTX speeds.

Let's see how they go.

Maby they reduced the memory voltage so you can't OC as high.
Another memory vmod?

Nah...if they wanted to cripple mem speed (instead of dumping inventory), they would use slower, cheaper memory. These are just 7900GTXs with different BIOSes and boxes.

 

[msi1337]

I ordered an EVGA 7900GTO on friday..can't wait till someone releases a bios for it so it can run as a true GTX... of course I am sure that you could just overclock it to GTX speeds...anyone know how much of an upgrade this will be from my 7600gt?

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: msi1337
I ordered an EVGA 7900GTO on friday..can't wait till someone releases a bios for it so it can run as a true GTX... of course I am sure that you could just overclock it to GTX speeds...anyone know how much of an upgrade this will be from my 7600gt?

HUGE. Great upgrade, and you'll certainly notice the performance increase as well as visual enhancements that you will now be able to run.

 

[1Dark1Sharigan1]

Originally posted by: msi1337
I ordered an EVGA 7900GTO on friday..can't wait till someone releases a bios for it so it can run as a true GTX... of course I am sure that you could just overclock it to GTX speeds...anyone know how much of an upgrade this will be from my 7600gt?

It should be nearly twice as fast as the 7600GT, give or take . . .

 

[n7]

nVidia is just clearing out old stock via the 7900 GTO.
It's not a new mainstay card.

However, even though it's slightly slower than the 7900GTX, i'd rather have the 7900 GTO 512 MB over an X1900XT 256 MB.

 

[LLoose]

The biggest thing is going to be the availability..
Just like the GS, the 7900gto's are just old 7900gtx cores that needed to be dumped.
They aren't going to be a retail card that you can get at compusa or frys, youre going to have to get them online from newegg or tigerdirect. On top of that, remember how hard it was to get a 6800gs when they first came out? People ramparted and you couldn't find one anywhere but ebay for the cost of a much more powerful 6800ultra.

As far as ATi, the x1900xt will drop in the same pricerange to make room for the x1950xt.. I would rather have a x1900xt than a factory-retarded version of the gtx.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: lloose
The biggest thing is going to be the availability..
Just like the GS, the 7900gto's are just old 7900gtx cores that needed to be dumped.
They aren't going to be a retail card that you can get at compusa or frys, youre going to have to get them online from newegg or tigerdirect. On top of that, remember how hard it was to get a 6800gs when they first came out? People ramparted and you couldn't find one anywhere but ebay for the cost of a much more powerful 6800ultra.

As far as ATi, the x1900xt will drop in the same pricerange to make room for the x1950xt.. I would rather have a x1900xt than a factory-retarded version of the gtx.

Actually there is no X1950XT coming.

There is the X1950PRO thats coming out to replace the X1900GT. The rest of the lineup stays the same.

$449 - X1950XTX
$399 - X1900XTX/XT
$279 - X1900XT 256
$199 - X1950pro (replaces the X1900GT)
and so on.

If ATi cuts prices, i have no idea where they are going to get their profits from. The mid range is already dominated by nVIDIA with their 7300GT/7600GS/7600GT combo and add in the 7900GS (189~210) which looks more favorable against the X1800GTO which stands around ~$175 (not to mention the X1900GT is similiar in price to a X1800GTO!). The top end is dominated by the 7950GX2 which is the fastest card there is.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: lloose
The biggest thing is going to be the availability..
Just like the GS, the 7900gto's are just old 7900gtx cores that needed to be dumped.
They aren't going to be a retail card that you can get at compusa or frys, youre going to have to get them online from newegg or tigerdirect. On top of that, remember how hard it was to get a 6800gs when they first came out? People ramparted and you couldn't find one anywhere but ebay for the cost of a much more powerful 6800ultra.

As far as ATi, the x1900xt will drop in the same pricerange to make room for the x1950xt.. I would rather have a x1900xt than a factory-retarded version of the gtx.

Actually there is no X1950XT coming.

There is the X1950PRO thats coming out to replace the X1900GT. The rest of the lineup stays the same.

$449 - X1950XTX
$399 - X1900XTX/XT
$279 - X1900XT 256
$199 - X1950pro (replaces the X1900GT)
and so on.

If ATi cuts prices, i have no idea where they are going to get their profits from. The mid range is already dominated by nVIDIA with their 7300GT/7600GS/7600GT combo and add in the 7900GS (189~210) which looks more favorable against the X1800GTO which stands around ~$175 (not to mention the X1900GT is similiar in price to a X1800GTO!). The top end is dominated by the 7950GX2 which is the fastest card there is.

Where are you getting your prices from?

This price list is quoted from another person from a diff thread to put things into perspective. Rebates are included in the price. I separated them according to their performance similarity.

7950GX2 $494
X1950XTX $419

X1900XTX $366
X1900XT 512 $346
7900GTX $373

X1900XT 256 $234
7950GT $259
7900GT $229

X1900GT $199
7900GS $189

Alot of the nvidia cards above have rebates attached to them, so for nvidia to become even competitive you have to go through rebates.

7950gx2 domniates the top end by performance not price.

Midrange dominated by 7600gt? What about the x850xt PE?

ATI has got NVIDIA beat for price/performance, the only reason i could see why a person would buy a nvidia card would be power consumption and noise.

The only thing from nvidia that is a good deal is the 7900gto. So the real question should of been what is NVIDIA gonna do when you could get a x1900xt 256 for $250 or $230 ar.

 

[hmorphone]

Cookie Monster, I gotta agree with MrX8503. Your logic appears at least partially flawed by incorrect price comparisons.

 

[ronnn]

I love these price wars. Both companies have been forced to dump top line cores. :beer: May be best to save your money at this time for a new ps, as next gen looks to be monsters.

 

[acegazda]

Originally posted by: n7
nVidia is just clearing out old stock via the 7900 GTO.
It's not a new mainstay card.

However, even though it's slightly slower than the 7900GTX, i'd rather have the 7900 GTO 512 MB over an X1900XT 256 MB.

also b/c of the superior cooler.

 

[josh6079]

If ATi cuts prices, i have no idea where they are going to get their profits from. The mid range is already dominated by nVIDIA with their 7300GT/7600GS/7600GT combo and add in the 7900GS (189~210) which looks more favorable against the X1800GTO which stands around ~$175 (not to mention the X1900GT is similiar in price to a X1800GTO!). The top end is dominated by the 7950GX2 which is the fastest card there is.

The midrange is the 7300GT / 7600GS / 7600GT? That sounds more like low-end levels to me.

I generally see all video cards scattered into four categories:

The ultra high-end / Enthusiast is for the 7950GX2 and the X1950XTX

The high-end cards include the X1900XT(X) / 7900GTX(O)

Midrange is for cards like the X1900XT 256 / 7950GT / 7900GT / X1900GT / 7900GS

And low-end is the 7300 GT / 7600GS / 7600 GT / X1300 / X1600 / X8**, etc.

Obviously there are more cards in each category than what I projected, but it's just to serve as a "rule-of-thumb".

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: MrX8503

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: lloose
The biggest thing is going to be the availability..
Just like the GS, the 7900gto's are just old 7900gtx cores that needed to be dumped.
They aren't going to be a retail card that you can get at compusa or frys, youre going to have to get them online from newegg or tigerdirect. On top of that, remember how hard it was to get a 6800gs when they first came out? People ramparted and you couldn't find one anywhere but ebay for the cost of a much more powerful 6800ultra.

As far as ATi, the x1900xt will drop in the same pricerange to make room for the x1950xt.. I would rather have a x1900xt than a factory-retarded version of the gtx.

Actually there is no X1950XT coming.

There is the X1950PRO thats coming out to replace the X1900GT. The rest of the lineup stays the same.

$449 - X1950XTX
$399 - X1900XTX/XT
$279 - X1900XT 256
$199 - X1950pro (replaces the X1900GT)
and so on.

If ATi cuts prices, i have no idea where they are going to get their profits from. The mid range is already dominated by nVIDIA with their 7300GT/7600GS/7600GT combo and add in the 7900GS (189~210) which looks more favorable against the X1800GTO which stands around ~$175 (not to mention the X1900GT is similiar in price to a X1800GTO!). The top end is dominated by the 7950GX2 which is the fastest card there is.

Where are you getting your prices from?

This price list is quoted from another person from a diff thread to put things into perspective. Rebates are included in the price. I separated them according to their performance similarity.

7950GX2 $494
X1950XTX $419

X1900XTX $366
X1900XT 512 $346
7900GTX $373

X1900XT 256 $234
7950GT $259
7900GT $229

X1900GT $199
7900GS $189

Alot of the nvidia cards above have rebates attached to them, so for nvidia to become even competitive you have to go through rebates.

7950gx2 domniates the top end by performance not price.

Midrange dominated by 7600gt? What about the x850xt PE?

ATI has got NVIDIA beat for price/performance, the only reason i could see why a person would buy a nvidia card would be power consumption and noise.

The only thing from nvidia that is a good deal is the 7900gto. So the real question should of been what is NVIDIA gonna do when you could get a x1900xt 256 for $250 or $230 ar.

MSRP of each card! Not the lowest prices on EACH card based on New egg pricings. That isnt indicative of overall prices of the card because MOST retailers sell them at MSRP of the product.

You cant count in AR, because this varies from place to place, and most retailers hardly give AR.

Now, how can you compare X850XT PE to a 7600GT? a 7600GT is in QUANTITY world wide, while the X850XT PE is not even production anymore. This is the same as X1800GTO. It uses R520 core (out of production), and compared to the 7600GT, it doesnt match it in quantity. nVIDIA can deliver similiar performance/features/IQ with less money.

Not to mention 7600GS/7300GT which both look favorable against a X1600pro/X1300pro and last gen cards.

Incorrect price comparisions? You cant base all this on Newegg, and the cheapest price.
So if one of the US retailers sells a 7900GT for $140, then ATi is beat in that price range?

edit - Josh although i understand what your talking about, I think its too much to say that at X1900XT 256 is a mid range card.

Right now, this is how i see it.
Ultra high end - 7950GX2/X1950XTX +SLI/CF ($399 and up)
High end - X1900 series/7900 series ($199~$399)
Mid end - X1600/X1650 series/7600 series ($99~$199)
Low end - X1300 series/7300 series (under $99)

For us enthusiasts.. its pretty much a joke. But its reality.

 

[MrX8503]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: MrX8503

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: lloose
The biggest thing is going to be the availability..
Just like the GS, the 7900gto's are just old 7900gtx cores that needed to be dumped.
They aren't going to be a retail card that you can get at compusa or frys, youre going to have to get them online from newegg or tigerdirect. On top of that, remember how hard it was to get a 6800gs when they first came out? People ramparted and you couldn't find one anywhere but ebay for the cost of a much more powerful 6800ultra.

As far as ATi, the x1900xt will drop in the same pricerange to make room for the x1950xt.. I would rather have a x1900xt than a factory-retarded version of the gtx.

Actually there is no X1950XT coming.

There is the X1950PRO thats coming out to replace the X1900GT. The rest of the lineup stays the same.

$449 - X1950XTX
$399 - X1900XTX/XT
$279 - X1900XT 256
$199 - X1950pro (replaces the X1900GT)
and so on.

If ATi cuts prices, i have no idea where they are going to get their profits from. The mid range is already dominated by nVIDIA with their 7300GT/7600GS/7600GT combo and add in the 7900GS (189~210) which looks more favorable against the X1800GTO which stands around ~$175 (not to mention the X1900GT is similiar in price to a X1800GTO!). The top end is dominated by the 7950GX2 which is the fastest card there is.

Where are you getting your prices from?

This price list is quoted from another person from a diff thread to put things into perspective. Rebates are included in the price. I separated them according to their performance similarity.

7950GX2 $494
X1950XTX $419

X1900XTX $366
X1900XT 512 $346
7900GTX $373

X1900XT 256 $234
7950GT $259
7900GT $229

X1900GT $199
7900GS $189

Alot of the nvidia cards above have rebates attached to them, so for nvidia to become even competitive you have to go through rebates.

7950gx2 domniates the top end by performance not price.

Midrange dominated by 7600gt? What about the x850xt PE?

ATI has got NVIDIA beat for price/performance, the only reason i could see why a person would buy a nvidia card would be power consumption and noise.

The only thing from nvidia that is a good deal is the 7900gto. So the real question should of been what is NVIDIA gonna do when you could get a x1900xt 256 for $250 or $230 ar.

MSRP of each card! Not the lowest prices on EACH card based on New egg pricings. That isnt indicative of overall prices of the card because MOST retailers sell them at MSRP of the product.

You cant count in AR, because this varies from place to place, and most retailers hardly give AR.

Now, how can you compare X850XT PE to a 7600GT? a 7600GT is in QUANTITY world wide, while the X850XT PE is not even production anymore. This is the same as X1800GTO. It uses R520 core (out of production), and compared to the 7600GT, it doesnt match it in quantity. nVIDIA can deliver similiar performance/features/IQ with less money.

Not to mention 7600GS/7300GT which both look favorable against a X1600pro/X1300pro and last gen cards.

Incorrect price comparisions? You cant base all this on Newegg, and the cheapest price.
So if one of the US retailers sells a 7900GT for $140, then ATi is beat in that price range?

Your theory only applies according to joe schmoe on the street. If that is so why even compare high end cards? Joe schmoe is gonna be buying from mid to low end. Also forget about the 7900gto.

If you look at that way, then yes the 7600gt looks favorable considering x850xtpe is no longer in production.

BTW, a 7600gt isnt cheaper than an x850xtpe.

Incorrect price comparisions? You cant base all this on Newegg, and the cheapest price.
So if one of the US retailers sells a 7900GT for $140, then ATi is beat in that price range?

since when has newegg's price been RADICALLY different from online retailers? Online retailers and B&M are different, i'll give you that much.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: mikek753
hi all

interesting to see how NV one step ahead of ATI in sales.
How ATI will or already respond to that GTO for $250?

The 7900GTO is a response itself, to the cheap X1900XT 256MB.

ATI already has two cards competing with it: the X1900XT 256MB and the soon-to-be-released X1950 Pro (not as fast but MSRP $250 and probably cheaper street price).

ATI doesn't need to respond, just keep the supply of X1900XT 256MB cards up.

Perhaps if they were really proactive they could lower the X1900XT 512MB again (they seemed to creep up when the 256MB version was launched).