What are your ideas for gun control?

[urvile]

Ban smoking and gun control will naturally follow. Actually. The aus liberal party* government under john howard introduced severe gun restrictions after a nutbar (martin bryant) killed 35 people and wounded 24 with an AR-15 (which he had bought of someone via a newspaper ad) at port arthur. One guys entire family (wife and two kids) were murdered by the shooter. As a result of that incident (one of many) the government banned high powered assault rifles and any long guns considered semi auto including pump action shotguns. They also curtailed access to firearms generally and quite severely.

Of course there were some excellent far right conspiracy theories about port arthur. My favourite was the one where bryant was a UN operative (I kid you not) who carried out the massacre so the population of australia could be disarmed and ripe for repression. Yeah we do have our fair share of right wing nut balls here to.

*In australia the liberal party is the conservative party. Mind blowing on multiple levels right?

 

[Bird222]

Owning a gun puts you at higher risk for accidental discharge, it being used against you and suicide. Much higher then needing to use it for a legitimate reason. The fact that you feel safer by having the gun isnt the actual reality of the statistics. I've always said that is OK. Lots of people do risky things because they enjoy those things. But we shouldn't kid that guns make you more safe. Because they dont.

Driving a car puts me at a higher risk of getting into a car crash too, but I'm not going to stop driving.

 

[urvile]

Actually that remind's me. I have this memory of the PM on the news in some redneck part of the country and he was explaining to the rednecks why the government was taking their guns away and he was wearing a bullet proof vest under his shirt and jacket. I don't know how lax gun ownership laws are in the states and to be honest I don't really care. Still I am sure they are a lot laxer than it ever was in aus but people used to be able to own anything short of a full automatic.

And if you wanted to keep a loaded AR-15 under the bed then you could. A little while a go a buddy of mine got an under over shotgun and he had to get a licence through the cops first and as part of that they sent a police officer around to his house to make sure he had a gun safe installed and it was up to spec. I don't know. It's worked out very well for australia.

 

[Thunder 57]

Owning a gun puts you at higher risk for accidental discharge, it being used against you and suicide. Much higher then needing to use it for a legitimate reason. The fact that you feel safer by having the gun isnt the actual reality of the statistics. I've always said that is OK. Lots of people do risky things because they enjoy those things. But we shouldn't kid that guns make you more safe. Because they dont.

So because some moron doesn't care to safely handle firearms the rest of us should suffer? That's like the idiot who ran a generator indoors after hurricane Irma and killed the whole family. You can't fix stupid.

Used against you? Unlikely. Especially if stored properly.

Did owning a gun make the people in the Oklahoma home defense shooting less safe? I think not. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

There are such things as responsible gun owners that aren't idiots. If you want to talk about making it more difficult to purchase a gun unless you can prove you are competent, that's something I could agree with.

Also, tell me how banning guns makes us more safe: http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/issues/2009winter/cover01_a.asp

"This decision pleased Kleck, in part because it repealed a law that simply didn't work—the number of violent deaths in the nation's capital increased after the law was passed. In 1977, the first full year of the ban, the city recorded 192 homicides. The total rose to 223 in 1981, and 482 by 1991. Even as the homicide toll declined in D.C. after 1991, the percentage of killings committed with firearms remained far higher than when the ban was passed. Guns were used in 63 percent of the city's 188 slayings in 1976. Last year, out of 169 homicides, 81 percent were shootings."

Actually that remind's me. I have this memory of the PM on the news in some redneck part of the country and he was explaining to the rednecks why the government was taking their guns away and he was wearing a bullet proof vest under his shirt and jacket. I don't know how lax gun ownership laws are in the states and to be honest I don't really care. Still I am sure they are a lot laxer than it ever was in aus but people used to be able to own anything short of a full automatic.

And if you wanted to keep a loaded AR-15 under the bed then you could. A little while a go a buddy of mine got an under over shotgun and he had to get a licence through the cops first and as part of that they sent a police officer around to his house to make sure he had a gun safe installed and it was up to spec. I don't know. It's worked out very well for australia.

Good for them. Doesn't mean it will work in the US.

 

[JSt0rm]

Driving a car puts me at a higher risk of getting into a car crash too, but I'm not going to stop driving.

Yes. Just dont say its a safe activity.

 

[JSt0rm]

So because some moron doesn't care to safely handle firearms the rest of us should suffer? That's like the idiot who ran a generator indoors after hurricane Irma and killed the whole family. You can't fix stupid.

Used against you? Unlikely. Especially if stored properly.

Did owning a gun make the people in the Oklahoma home defense shooting less safe? I think not. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

There are such things as responsible gun owners that aren't idiots. If you want to talk about making it more difficult to purchase a gun unless you can prove you are competent, that's something I could agree with.

Also, tell me how banning guns makes us more safe: http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/issues/2009winter/cover01_a.asp

"This decision pleased Kleck, in part because it repealed a law that simply didn't work—the number of violent deaths in the nation's capital increased after the law was passed. In 1977, the first full year of the ban, the city recorded 192 homicides. The total rose to 223 in 1981, and 482 by 1991. Even as the homicide toll declined in D.C. after 1991, the percentage of killings committed with firearms remained far higher than when the ban was passed. Guns were used in 63 percent of the city's 188 slayings in 1976. Last year, out of 169 homicides, 81 percent were shootings."



Good for them. Doesn't mean it will work in the US.

This is one big effort post of no true scotsman.

 

[JSt0rm]

I used to stay out of gun debates because it doesn't matter but the pro-gun arguments are hilariously bad.

 

[JSt0rm]

Guns are the ultimate in freedumb.

 

[Thunder 57]

I used to stay out of gun debates because it doesn't matter but the pro-gun arguments are hilariously bad.

Yup, common sense be dammed. I am so glad there is no emotional push to make new laws (Patriot Act, anyone?). That must irk the hell out of you, though.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yup, common sense be dammed. I am so glad there is no emotional push to make new laws (Patriot Act, anyone?). That must irk the hell out of you, though.

I pretty much dont care. I just think you need to be aware that guns make you less safe and if you ever decide to go outside and attack the government you will get dropped by a cop.

common sense isnt what we need. Real statistics and research is what we need. Things your small mind hate.

 

[urvile]

Good for them. Doesn't mean it will work in the US.

Actually it's good for me and no it doesn't mean it will work in the US and I don't care about that either. If you guys want to pretend you are still in the wild west you can go right ahead. Yeeha! There is now a non-existent risk of myself or a member of my family being randomly murdered in a mass shooting where I live and that's all I care about.

 

[Thunder 57]

I pretty much dont care. I just think you need to be aware that guns make you less safe and if you ever decide to go outside and attack the government you will get dropped by a cop.

common sense isnt what we need. Real statistics and research is what we need. Things your small mind hate.

You're a moron. Why would you think I would want to go try to "attack the government"? Or that I even own a gun? I don't smoke, but I sure as hell am for them to have that option.

Real statistics? Did you just ignore the quote about Washington DC that I posted?

 

[JSt0rm]

You're a moron. Why would you think I would want to go try to "attack the government"? Or that I even own a gun? I don't smoke, but I sure as hell am for them to have that option.

Real statistics? Did you just ignore the quote about Washington DC that I posted?

gun control cant work like that. You can ban guns and have guns available 30 minutes away.

the 2nd amendment exists to stop tyranny right? So if you arent willing to use your gun against tyranny why have it?

 

[NAC4EV]

the 2nd amendment exists to stop tyranny right? So if you arent willing to use your gun against tyranny why have it?

Your tyranny statement reminds me of this.

 

[Bird222]

I used to stay out of gun debates because it doesn't matter but the pro-gun arguments are hilariously bad.

I have found most of the anti arguments bad. There is hardly ever a call to ban handguns which is what most gun deaths are done with. Most of the time the laws that are proposed wouldn't have prevented the mass shooting they are upset about. Most of the stuff they want wouldn't pass constitutional muster and instead of admitting that and saying we need to repeal the 2A first they just keep spouting silly ideas.

 

[rommelrommel]

Here’s my plan.

Repeal the Hughes Amendment
Repeal the 1968 GCA
Repeal the 1934 NFA

Guns are legal, up to 20mm, past that are regulated along with grenades. Mag capacity limits? Nope. Suppressors, a-ok. SBR’s are free.

However, bring in a national certificate (free of charge) that you must apply for to own or purchase a firearm. Bring in background checks to get the certificate, and screen the users on a regular basis. Bring in a way for anyone to report people as unsuitable to own guns, and investigate those cases promptly. Any private sale to a non-certificate holder or a certificate holder who is invalid is a felony. The certificate is essentially a way to show you’re a legal buyer. Get caught without a certificate , punishment should progress from a fine to confiscation to jail time.

No limits on purchases, no wait times. Get a national concealed carry permit program going.

 

[mindless1]

Gun control is not a solution. Every morning when people wake up (or whenever you do if you're a slacker ) a federal agent should interview you to assess your safety around the general population.

This can be automated. Robot computers can do it and if you don't pass the interview then they can just stun gun you back to sleep and you try again next time you wake up.

Over enough cycles it becomes electroshock therapy and you forget your name, let alone where your guns are or how to use them. Problem solved.

We don't need gun control as much as we need a fundamental shift back to responsible parenting so that parents just use their guns to shoot kids that show tendencies to become violent later, like spending too much time texting or on youtube. Of course you should shoot your own kids first or else you just look insincere.

 

[momeNt]

Your tyranny statement reminds me of this.

Are you saying the 2A was a mistake? An emotional overreaction to the revolutionary war?

 

[Younigue]

Tracking devices on all guns. Huge fine if you are found not complying and/or jail time.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Got my NRA pocket knife and membership package today. Reading how outrageous some people here are about gun control (annual testing and licensing, all guns tracked, mag capacity and suppressor limits... crazy talk) has made me sure I made the right choice by joining. I'm not overly pro-NRA, but they're certainly the lesser of two evils when comparing to the anti-2A'ers.

 

[spacejamz]

Tracking devices on all guns. Huge fine if you are found not complying and/or jail time.

who pays for the trackers? who pays for the system that monitors the trackers? who pays for the monitors?

oh and how exactly are you going to get every gang member to put these tracking devices on their guns?

 

[NAC4EV]

Are you saying the 2A was a mistake? An emotional overreaction to the revolutionary war?

I don't see the benefit.
Do you see the benefit???

 

[momeNt]

I don't see the benefit.
Do you see the benefit???

They were riding the highs of victory and doomed the fledgling USA in the process.

 

[NAC4EV]

Yippee ki-yay, motherfuckers

 

[J.Wilkins]

Germany did it, UK did it, Australia did it, hell pretty much every single other western nation did it and it worked.

But somehow you have been fooled into this thinking that what works in comparable nations will never work for you because you are exceptional... The sad part is that you are literally stating that you are exceptionally stupid and immature and thus cannot make it work.

It's silly and you are silly for proposing it.