What are we overclockers going to do when INtel jumps to 200fsb chips!!!

[Duvie]

Thugs and I were discussing this in some length today.....

With such low multipliers the fsb will need to go quite high to achieve ocs we just see today...for example a 200fsb 2.4ghz p4 would need an fsb of 250 to just get to 3ghz a place many are getting to rather easily. 270fsb to get to 3.24ghz like I am running now and 300fsb to get to 3.6ghz which siome can do....

1) what boards can handle that now???

2) what ram is going to be able to do much more then say 233fsb??? Some boards list up to 250fsb buit I haven't seen 4:3 ratios on all of them or they don't go all the way to those speeds...

3) how well are the springdales going to oc do to the ram speed limitations or will ther be some sort of 4:3 or 5:6 ratio available to get the ram down to lower speeds???

 

[Tates]

I'm going to wait until P4 3.06's (533fsb) drop in price and oc the heck out of it. Then I'll wait until Thugs and Duvie figure ways to super OC the new Prescott's

 

[Duvie]

I want a 3.06ghz like Technonut, but I agree lets see if the price may drop on the 3.06ghz chips...HT is a must for me and my activities but I have a rule about paying 500-600 for anything!!!not since my days of P-pro 200 and asus dual p-pro board have I paid 1000+ for a board and cpu....

From what I have seen the 200fsb Ht enabled chips wont be that much more then their non HT enabled 133fsb counterparts...this makes me think the 3.06ghz will not drop very much and will still be in the high 300's to low 400's....

 

[John]

what ram is going to be able to do much more then say 233fsb???

DDR-II?

 

[Duvie]

When is that supposed to arrive??? I haven't heard about it much of late and assume it wont be out anywhere near the 200fsb cpu and springdale chips are released...

 

[bgeh]

it's expected in mid to late 2004

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: Duvie
When is that supposed to arrive??? I haven't heard about it much of late and assume it wont be out anywhere near the 200fsb cpu and springdale chips are released...

DDR-II got pushed back til this time next year. Neither AMD or Intel is pushing for it on their roadmaps until their next generation (Prescott, Opteron) chips, so its been more or less tabled. They need to unlock those damn multis. If they did that, I'd shell out for a Canterwood/800MHz P4, as it should be a killer combo.

Chiz

 

[ChampionAtTufshop]

even if ddr2 doesnt come out, its not much of a problem for intel releasing the cpu's/boards as there is pc3200 (which i don tthink is "finalized" yet, but JEDEC was moving towards "officializing" (is that a word lol) it soon i think, if its not already been done)

but for the ocer's thats just hell
so far the highest ive seen si like 450ish ddr and thats about it
do the new chipset's hint of supporting ddr2 anywhere?

on a similar note:
for system ram, is there a "limit" to the chips in regards to the lowest ns they can acheive?
like for vidcards, theres like 2.8ns ramchips (albeit bga) but isnt that possible for system ram? (have bga chips?)

 

[Duvie]

Prices of upcoming HT 200fsb chips versus their 533fsb non Ht counterparts....


Nice article at xbitlabs on 3/10/2003 about the new springdale mobos and the different variations (like 4 diff boards rabging from i845Gv to i865g to i875....They state no ddr2 support do to lack of widespread market support....


We need 4:3 ratios....

240fsb = 180x2 = 360ddr
280fsb = 210x2 = 410ddr
300fsb = 225x3 = 450ddr....doable and capable of giving us some headroom with these lower speed HT enabled p4 200fsb chips.....

How about 3:2 ratio...

240fsb = 160x2 = 320ddr
300fsb = 200x2 = 400ddr
330fsb = 220x2 = 440ddr

This is our hope to get the high clock speeds...sure we will be under supplying the memory bandwidth for the fsb of the chip but the combination of as high or higher bandwidth shown in the springdales with a chip doing 3.6 to 4ghz+ range will be exciting and give us ocers hope we can still get 1gb ocs!!!

 

[THUGSROOK]

dont forget the 200fsb cpus are gonna have 1mb cache ~ thats gonna be really hard to resist.

 

[Mikki]

Nice thread Duvie , since this stuff should be just around the corner it's something we all need to think about. The performance looks good but how many of us are gonna take the plunge if the oc'ing isn't there like it is now? I'd like to think that the board manufacturers would at least attempt to give us some options as far as the ratios and such, have to wait and see I guess. Does (or will) AMD offer something comparable with the oc'ing options we crave?

 

[Egrimm]

Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
dont forget the 200fsb cpus are gonna have 1mb cache ~ thats gonna be really hard to resist.

Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the 1Mb cache first come with Prescott in Q4? Haven't seen this any other places, everywhere says that it'll be a normal Northwood core just with 200Mhz fsb.

 

[oldfart]

dont forget the 200fsb cpus are gonna have 1mb cache ~ thats gonna be really hard to resist

Both the L1 and L2 are doubled on Prescott. 16K L1 / 512K L2 Vs 32K L1 / 1M L2. The 800MHz Northwoods only add HT.

4:3 would allow more overclocking. Maybe the boards will have it so that DDR400 is not a requirement for an 800 MHz CPU. If asynchronous mem timing is not part of the chipset, it may not be possible.

 

[andreasl]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Prices of upcoming HT 200fsb chips versus their 533fsb non Ht counterparts....


Nice article at xbitlabs on 3/10/2003 about the new springdale mobos and the different variations (like 4 diff boards rabging from i845Gv to i865g to i875....They state no ddr2 support do to lack of widespread market support....


We need 4:3 ratios....

240fsb = 180x2 = 360ddr
280fsb = 210x2 = 410ddr
300fsb = 225x3 = 450ddr....doable and capable of giving us some headroom with these lower speed HT enabled p4 200fsb chips.....

How about 3:2 ratio...

240fsb = 160x2 = 320ddr
300fsb = 200x2 = 400ddr
330fsb = 220x2 = 440ddr

This is our hope to get the high clock speeds...sure we will be under supplying the memory bandwidth for the fsb of the chip but the combination of as high or higher bandwidth shown in the springdales with a chip doing 3.6 to 4ghz+ range will be exciting and give us ocers hope we can still get 1gb ocs!!!

I'm thinking that Springdale and Canterwood should already support such multipliers. I mean not everyone (read: OEMs) will use DDR400 but instead use DDR333 or perhaps even DDR266 with the new 800MHZ FSB CPUs. Thus the chipsets would need to support a 5:6 and perhaps 2:3 (4:6) multipliers.

I guess we'll find out soon.

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Egrimm
Correct me if I'm wrong but won't the 1Mb cache first come with Prescott in Q4? Haven't seen this any other places, everywhere says that it'll be a normal Northwood core just with 200Mhz fsb.

if thats true, then there is no point in getting 200fsb til 1mb cache ~ keep playin with the 100/133s

 

[mrman3k]

I wish I had the money like you guys to keep buying all this new hardware when it comes out

Well I guess after college I will make sure I have a good $100K+ job so I can do this. Unfortunetly that is another 10 years until I am done

 

[Boyne7]

i think well just have to wait and see
it'll probably be justlike the p4 anyway.
the first cpus wont overclock hardly at all but the later ones will overclock amazingly.
the whole c1 stepping is still relatively new and that has been the biggest boom in overclocking. and now the multiple vid c1s are booming

i bet the later prescotts will overclock nicely (hopefully)

 

[Yeti101]

P4G8X can go to 400. :-D

 

[Spicedaddy]

From what I've read, Springdale will do 250MHz easily, so it will probably go higher. The big problem is the ram if you want to run 1:1. Hopefully they'll release some PC4000 in the next month or two.

Personally, I'd be happy with 2.4C @ 3GHz with the ram at 1:1. The 1GHz FSB and HT would hopefully make up for the lower clock speed. (until faster DDR arrives)

 

[rogue1979]

What are we overclockers going to do when INtel jumps to 200fsb chips!!!

I have been pondering this for weeks, I came up with the best solution!

Switch to AMD


This is all in good humor

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Yeti101
P4G8X can go to 400. :-D

no it cant

 

[Mikki]

Originally posted by: mrman3k
I wish I had the money like you guys to keep buying all this new hardware when it comes out

Well I guess after college I will make sure I have a good $100K+ job so I can do this. Unfortunetly that is another 10 years until I am done

Ya gotta sell the old stuff before it actually gets old, while it's still worth something. Take a small loss, add a few bucks and go buy the new stuff...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Mikki

Originally posted by: mrman3k
I wish I had the money like you guys to keep buying all this new hardware when it comes out

Well I guess after college I will make sure I have a good $100K+ job so I can do this. Unfortunetly that is another 10 years until I am done

Ya gotta sell the old stuff before it actually gets old, while it's still worth something. Take a small loss, add a few bucks and go buy the new stuff...

WORD!!!!


You would be surprised what MIKKI is talking about has gotten me from 400amd to 750tbird to 1100tbird to 1400tbird to 1.8a p4 to 1.6a p4 to 2.4b p4 since December 2000...6 cpus in 2years....7 mobos.....6 diff sticks of ram....5 hsfs...


Now back to regularly scheduled topic.....



What are we hearing about bios support for these chips with existing mobos...I know Abit BH7 mobo was stating 200fsb support...The Albatron has HT support plus goes to 243-249 in the bios, though stability at those fsb's is a question...

 

[Sahakiel]

I know what I'm gonna do....
Skip right over the entire VIA M-series and pop that sucker into a good SFF... at 100 FSB.