What are there so many teens boy and girl rushing to join ISIS?

[Xellos2099]

It is like every weeks I see news report of teens and young adult all rushing to join ISIS... I was like.... why? Some people claim ISIS have justice and moral on their side; I hardly find any justice of beheading someone on TV or burning someone alive justice nor do I find them enslaving woman and raping them any moral.

Now it could be young man who want to felt they have power and dominate over woman, but there are a lot fo report of girls running from home to join ISIS... but for what... to get rape or get marry off to unknown man?

 

[IGBT]

when you believe in nothing..you'll believe in anything. Children of obama supporters.

 

[MongGrel]

when you believe in nothing..you'll believe in anything. Children of obama supporters.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Notice that most of these teens are from middle class families and lived a pampered life. since tattoos are common as birdshit, it's no longer shocking. joining ISIS is the new way for dilettante teens to rebel.

 

[Kadarin]

Teenagers as a whole tend to be stupid.

 

[Subyman]

Just playing devils advocate, but if you dig deeper into the narrative that the youths are finding, it is solidified in some truth. A good place to start is watching Frontline: Losing Iraq. They go over some of the completely idiotic and egotistical choices that the administration made during our initial occupation of Iraq. From what I saw, the worst decision we made was disbanding the Iraqi military. All the disenfranchised soldiers went home jobless and with military grade weaponry. We did not disassemble their military, we simply said go home. And they did, with RPGs, tanks, trucks, guns, etc. Now we are constantly fighting those soldiers and they make up a large part of the ISIS movement. From what I have read as well, the de-ba'athification of Iraq led to many Sunnis becoming highly angry at the US and the Shias. Paul Bremer was put in charge of the de-ba'athification process and to form a new Iraqi government, but he had never been to Iraq, he didn't know the history, and he couldn't speak the language. It was a disaster.

Anyway, there are many ways those stories can be spun into sob stories for ISIS and young minds could be compelled to go help. I completely understand how it can happen.

 

[unokitty]

... mass movements begin with a widespread "desire for change" from discontented people who place their locus of control outside their power and who also have no confidence in existing culture or traditions. Feeling their lives are "irredeemably spoiled" and believing there is no hope for advancement or satisfaction as an individual, true believers seek "self-renunciation". Thus, such people are ripe to participate in a movement that offers the option of subsuming their individual lives in a larger collective. Leaders are vital in the growth of a mass movement, as outlined below, but for the leader to find any success the seeds of the mass movement must already exist in people's hearts.

While mass movements are usually some blend of nationalist, political and religious ideas, Hoffer argues there are two important commonalities: "All mass movements are competitive" and perceive the supply of converts as zero-sum; and "all mass movements are interchangeable"...

Successful mass movements need not believe in a god, but they must believe in a devil. Hatred unifies the true believers, and "the ideal devil is a foreigner" attributed with nearly supernatural powers of evil...

Not about ISIS specifically but Hoffer covers the dynamics of mass movements better than anyone else I'm aware of...

Uno

 

[Genx87]

Just playing devils advocate, but if you dig deeper into the narrative that the youths are finding, it is solidified in some truth. A good place to start is watching Frontline: Losing Iraq. They go over some of the completely idiotic and egotistical choices that the administration made during our initial occupation of Iraq. From what I saw, the worst decision we made was disbanding the Iraqi military. All the disenfranchised soldiers went home jobless and with military grade weaponry. We did not disassemble their military, we simply said go home. And they did, with RPGs, tanks, trucks, guns, etc. Now we are constantly fighting those soldiers and they make up a large part of the ISIS movement. From what I have read as well, the de-ba'athification of Iraq led to many Sunnis becoming highly angry at the US and the Shias. Paul Bremer was put in charge of the de-ba'athification process and to form a new Iraqi government, but he had never been to Iraq, he didn't know the history, and he couldn't speak the language. It was a disaster.

Anyway, there are many ways those stories can be spun into sob stories for ISIS and young minds could be compelled to go help. I completely understand how it can happen.

Yup that documentary was an eye opener. For an opposite and successful occupation go watch the Fall of Japan in color. We occupied their country using their military and keeping their emperor in power. I almost wonder if we would had kept Saddam as a figure head in power and not banned Baathists from holding public office if Iraq would have had a chance. It sounds illogical but it would had kept the power structure and civil services in power.

 

[Xellos2099]

But why are kids from first world country got trick so easily into joining them? ISIS is basically a doomsday cult... with massive firepower/money.

 

[postmortemIA]

But why are kids from first world country got trick so easily into joining them? ISIS is basically a doomsday cult... with massive firepower/money.

why do kids smoke, do drugs, vandalize, etc? it is just rebellious part of their age. Joining the ISIS is the ultimate bad-ass thing in their eyes.

 

[Xellos2099]

True, that explain the boy want to join, they got to dominate over woman. But how about the girls that wish to join? Surely they know of treatment of woman in ISIS?

 

[justoh]

True, that explain the boy want to join, they got to dominate over woman. But how about the girls that wish to join? Surely they know of treatment of woman in ISIS?

They're good muslims and know their place.

 

[Jaskalas]

In the minds of children we have not destroyed ISIS because we are weaker.
ISIS is, to them, the personification of strength.
That symbolism is attractive.

 

[Subyman]

In the minds of children we have not destroyed ISIS because we are weaker.
ISIS is, to them, the personification of strength.
That symbolism is attractive.

Eh, I don't believe that. The rebel is always in the place of weakness until the government is overturned. Young people are often more likely to be a part of rebellions against the status quo than older folks. I think there may be some young people who are disenfranchised with American culture because they were beat down by bullies, come from a place of no opportunities, or see their peers as bad people and are not identifying with the people around them . These kids are drawn to a group which represents overturning the culture that led to their alienation and are completely and utterly giving themselves to the cause. That unwavering devotion can be very, very attractive to youths, especially if they didn't receive attention from their parents or peers.

 

[yllus]

True, that explain the boy want to join, they got to dominate over woman. But how about the girls that wish to join? Surely they know of treatment of woman in ISIS?

They know of the idealized version of that treatment (keep in mind they're not about to believe what Western media say about ISIS):

Maclean's - What’s driving teen girls to jihad?

“The family you get in exchange for leaving the ones behind are like the pearl in comparison to the shell you threw away into the foam of the sea, which is the Ummah [community of believers]. The reason for this is because your love for one another is purely for the sake of Allah.”

Aqsa Mahmood, a British woman living in Syrian territory controlled by the ultraviolent Islamist group that calls itself Islamic State, can be almost poetic when counselling other Western women to abandon their homes and join her there. Blogging under the name Umm Layth, Mahmood crafts an appeal that mixes religious piety with material enticements. There is something pleasurable, she writes in a September post, in obtaining milkshake machines that have been looted from “the kuffar” [pejorative slang for “unbeliever”]. Rejecting your family is a religious duty, she continues, if they makes allies with the kuffar and reject jihad. Blood ties, she says, are nothing compared to living a truly Islamic life.

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“What Islamic State offers is a full package,” says Erin Saltman, a senior researcher who leads the Women and Extremism program at ISD. “There is a strong sense that you are joining a family. They really play up the fact that you are among sisters, that everyone is treated equally. Part of it almost plays out a feminist narrative, which says the West sexualizes women and, in Islamic State territory, you are treated with respect.”

And of course, lest we forget, women are equally as bloodthirsty and homicidal as men, and that represents some amount of these recruits as well:

A Western woman recruit cited by ISD had other ideas, tweeting: “I wonder if I can pull a Mulan and enter the battlefield”—a reference to a Disney-movie character who disguised herself as a man so she could fight.

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They also ignore aspects of Islamic State’s attraction that we seem comparatively more ready to accept when it draws in men: the group’s Islamic supremacism, and its fetish for gore and extreme violence. “So many beheadings at the same time. Allahu Akbar [God is great], this video is beautiful,” tweeted one Western woman cited by ISD. Another, also cited by ISD, writes: “I was happy to see the beheading of that kaffir [unbeliever]. I just rewinded to the cutting part. Allahu akbar! I wonder what he was thinking b4 the cut.”

 

[ivwshane]

Honestly I hope more stupid people go and join ISIS, along with the idiots who want to go alone and fight ISIS. The more stupid people we can get rid of the better in my opinion

Ooh was that not PC?

 

[MongGrel]

Honestly I hope more stupid people go and join ISIS, along with the idiots who want to go alone and fight ISIS. The more stupid people we can get rid of the better in my opinion

Ooh was that not PC?

It is pretty much modern day Darwin in action, and doesn't affect me personally I guess.

 

[Double Trouble]

Honestly I hope more stupid people go and join ISIS, along with the idiots who want to go alone and fight ISIS. The more stupid people we can get rid of the better in my opinion

Ooh was that not PC?

Yup. We are all better off every time one of those people leaves the western world to join ISIS. Good riddance, they can do a lot less harm there than here.

 

[Xellos2099]

They know of the idealized version of that treatment (keep in mind they're not about to believe what Western media say about ISIS):

Maclean's - What’s driving teen girls to jihad?



And of course, lest we forget, women are equally as bloodthirsty and homicidal as men, and that represents some amount of these recruits as well:

But isn't it common knowledge that Islam treat woman with " not much" respect?

 

[Jhhnn]

when you believe in nothing..you'll believe in anything. Children of obama supporters.

You're saying more about yourself than about anybody else. The lack of self examination in that is appalling. It's what's wrong with the right wing.

Not that there's a whiff of a prayer that you can see that.

 

[Smoblikat]

Its simple, it means they bear no responsibility for themselves.

 

[MustISO]

Ignorance or stupidity. Not any different than joining a cult or some extremist group here in the US.

 

[Smoblikat]

Ignorance or stupidity. Not any different than joining a cult or some extremist group here in the US.

Except that this cult is actively working against the US.

 

[Jhhnn]

They know of the idealized version of that treatment (keep in mind they're not about to believe what Western media say about ISIS):

Maclean's - What’s driving teen girls to jihad?



And of course, lest we forget, women are equally as bloodthirsty and homicidal as men, and that represents some amount of these recruits as well:

There's a lot of sensationalized fluffery in that article.

As many as 550 are western women

Exquisitely vague, huh? But it's a really alarming number, right? How many western women are there in this world, anyway?

Last August, the department of public safety released a report that said Ottawa was aware of about 30 individuals with “a Canadian connection,” who were “suspected of involvement in terrorism-related activities” in Syria.

A variation on the "links to al qaeda" ploy.

 

[umbrella39]

You're saying more about yourself than about anybody else. The lack of self examination in that is appalling. It's what's wrong with the right wing.

Not that there's a whiff of a prayer that you can see that.

The poster you quoted is simply stuck on stupid right wing nutbag thread crap mode. It's been going on for years now. One day the mods will take notice.