What are the "red states" in canada?

Zebo

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I figure quebec because large catholic, manitoba, nova scotia, alberta.....
 

Kibbo

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Alberta, and the East side of the Rockies in British Columbia.

Northern Ontario, Parts of Manitoba and Saskatchewan

Quebec is more liberal than most of English Canada. It's only Catholics who historically weren't allowed to be Catholics who are really conservative (Irish, Polish).
 

Scouzer

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Alberta. Lesser extent BC. Saskatchewan and Manitoba occasionally.

Everywhere else is absolutely left compared to the United States.

Quebec being the furthest left by far.
 

Kibbo

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Just wanna clarify my ealier posts.

This is the conservative "heartland" of Canada. Calgary, the cultrual and economic hub of Alberta, was built by cattlemen and later oilmen (sound familiar?). They would likely say that faith is important in politics, that the military should have more funding (a lot of people think that right now, but it's a matter of degrees) , that cutting taxes is good, the government hurts more than it helps, and that a man should make his own way.

There are may issues with which they might disagree with an American conservative. For instance, the idea of publicly funded health care is practically sacrosanct up here. Abandoning universal care is a no go for the vast majority here. Some would like to ease up the regulations to allow the better-off the option of having better care. That's a radical idea up here, one that was too radical even for the Conservative Party of Canada.
 

gutharius

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Just wanna clarify my ealier posts.

This is the conservative "heartland" of Canada. Calgary, the cultrual and economic hub of Alberta, was built by cattlemen and later oilmen (sound familiar?). They would likely say that faith is important in politics, that the military should have more funding (a lot of people think that right now, but it's a matter of degrees) , that cutting taxes is good, the government hurts more than it helps, and that a man should make his own way.

There are may issues with which they might disagree with an American conservative. For instance, the idea of publicly funded health care is practically sacrosanct up here. Abandoning universal care is a no go for the vast majority here. Some would like to ease up the regulations to allow the better-off the option of having better care. That's a radical idea up here, one that was too radical even for the Conservative Party of Canada.

D@MN! You make us Democrats look like, like, well like Republicans! :Q
 

desy

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We aren't as socialist as Europe, prolly bout in the middle between US and Europe, in terms of degrees.
So yeah we'd pretty much be Blue
 

TravisT

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Canada has always been a liberal neighbor. The liberalism doesn't stop at the border... unfortunately.
 

Martin

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Alberta and some surrounding regions, as others have said. But you have to keep in mind that if Alberta was in the US, it'd be bluer than half your blue states.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Abandoning universal care is a no go for the vast majority here. Some would like to ease up the regulations to allow the better-off the option of having better care. That's a radical idea up here, one that was too radical even for the Conservative Party of Canada.

To clarify a little further, the federal conservative party consists of politicians who mostly believe that two-tier health-care is the way to go, but know that they won't receive any votes outside of alberta if they take this position, and therefore adopt a wish-wash policy on health-care to avoid commiting to public health, while not scaring off everyone who does support public health care.

I disagree with some of the other candian posters as I think Alberta just might go Republican in an election; it would certainly be a 'swing state'. But Quebec and Toronto would vote Democrat (or maybe Nader;)).
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Zebo
I figure quebec because large catholic

Common misconception that catholics are red types. Catholics vote Democrat, like Jews. A lot of people mistake catholics for their rabid protestant counterparts (old protestant strains aside). Sure, the Pop is against abortion but he was also against the Iraq war and doesn't favor snake-handling.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Canada has always been a liberal neighbor. The liberalism doesn't stop at the border... unfortunately.
And Fund A Mentalism isn't confined to the Rube States of the Bible Belt.

 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Zebo
I figure quebec because large catholic

Common misconception that catholics are red types. Catholics vote Democrat, like Jews. A lot of people mistake catholics for their rabid protestant counterparts (old protestant strains aside). Sure, the Pop is against abortion but he was also against the Iraq war and doesn't favor snake-handling.
Nope. Jews voted Bush-25%, Kerry-74% but Catholics voted Bush-52%, Kerry-47%.

From here
 

Kibbo

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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie


To clarify a little further, the federal conservative party consists of politicians who mostly believe that two-tier health-care is the way to go, but know that they won't receive any votes outside of alberta if they take this position, and therefore adopt a wish-wash policy on health-care to avoid commiting to public health, while not scaring off everyone who does support public health care.

I disagree with some of the other candian posters as I think Alberta just might go Republican in an election; it would certainly be a 'swing state'. But Quebec and Toronto would vote Democrat (or maybe Nader;)).

I somewhat agree with you Charlie, except that I think that Albertans are only slightly more in favour of a two-tier system than more liberal Provinces. Note that for all his bluster, Klein (Alberta's premier for you Yanks) has never actually implemented any reall attempts at reform. We all know what he really wants to do, but he always shies away from it around election time.

Health Care is a wierd issue up here. The argument has become very distorted. Apart from that one thing, the Blue/Red split up here is almost as close as down there.

We're really only different at the margins.
 

Stunt

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The funniest part is that conservative colors here are blue...liberals are red and the extreme left (ndp) are orange.

Our colours are opposites. :)

It should also be noted that Canadians vote differently Provincially than Federally. The west votes conservative nationally but provincially they are ndp and liberal...with the exception of alberta, but that is just because they are so rich, they have no deficit and no debt...they'd rather just get tax breaks, because they can afford it. Quebec is left both provincially and federally. The Rest...Ontario and the maritimes flip between liberal and conservative provinically but Ontario is always liberal federally and Maritimes are always Conservative.

Take note that all 3 major parties believe in universal healthcare, and are progressive in terms of social values. Liberals are centre of the spectrum here. They are fiscally responsible and give tax breaks when they can afford it. Our current liberal leader wants agressive debt reduction. He wants it down to 25% of gdp within the next couple terms.

For reference Canada has a debt to gdp ratio of 40% currently and was at 70% in '96.

The US on the other hand has a ratio of 65% and still growing.