what are the most effective alternatives to violent protest rioting for poor people?

[brainhulk]

Seems to me it is a tactic that is utilized around the world to varying degrees of effectiveness. What would be a smarter, non-violent way to fan the winds of change?

 

[Vdubchaos]

People still believe that riots and demonstrations accomplish something?

It's no different than running 5 or 10 miles for <insert cause>

Wishful thinking.

Turn around, bend over and walk backwards is about as much as you can do.

 

[pauldun170]

People still believe that riots and demonstrations accomplish something?

It's no different than running 5 or 10 miles for <insert cause>

Wishful thinking.

Turn around, bend over and walk backwards is about as much as you can do.

Races raise money. You pay to run those races.
Running 5 or 10 miles for an organized event (cause) typically cost $20-$50+ per runner around here.

 

[Sonikku]

Seems to me it is a tactic that is utilized around the world to varying degrees of effectiveness. What would be a smarter, non-violent way to fan the winds of change?

-Make a successful for profit big business from scratch and become a billionaire.
-Buy off politicians via campaign donations and super pacs.

Two steps. Simple really.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What would be helpful? Have their mouthpieces put forward a factual argument that clearly supports their contentions. Not "some poor child was shot" who was a huge and dangerous individual who attacked people because he could. If they cannot then the fault lies in their perceptions and they have to deal with that. If they riot they should not have excuses made for them or "well back in 1920". No, they are accountable for their actions and should receive what they would dole out.

If an argument can be made in their favor then do what was done in the '60s by MLK. Peaceful civil disobedience which worked very well.

The problem is that we have become lesser sons of greater sires and seem incapable of rational objections to genuine wrongs; indeed we no longer recognize right from wrong but instead see whatever means to get what we want as being "the greater good".

 

[Vdubchaos]

Races raise money. You pay to run those races.
Running 5 or 10 miles for an organized event (cause) typically cost $20-$50+ per runner around here.

What do you actually accomplish by "running" or doing any other activity.

Just give them 20-50 bucks and call it a day.

All of that effort can be put into SO MANY useful things....vs "running".

Why not make up some other useless activity, like....banging your head against the window. Or jumping jacks etc.

 

[IronWing]

Folks need to figure out where their self interests lie, organize, and vote. The unions once wielded great political clout because they were able to deliver votes and they knew what they wanted. Now they try to compete with billionaires in the campaign money war and are losing.

 

[wabbitslayer]

assassination is very effective if done frequently and relatively non-violent if done properly

 

[manimal]

Voting


the problem is media is out to get you

 

[SunnyD]

assassination is very effective if done frequently and relatively non-violent if done properly

I'm sure the person getting assassinated would disagree with that assessment regardless of the methods used.

 

[poundruss]

What do you actually accomplish by "running" or doing any other activity.

Just give them 20-50 bucks and call it a day.

All of that effort can be put into SO MANY useful things....vs "running".

Why not make up some other useless activity, like....banging your head against the window. Or jumping jacks etc.

fatty alert

 

[Vdubchaos]

fatty alert

I will take you up on it.

How about eating 100s cheeseburgers for <insert cause>.

How is that any different than running 10 miles. Neither activity accomplishes much for the cause.

 

[mikeford]

Become factually aware so you aren't easily manipulated into doing stupid self destructive things. Ferguson was like a human botnet, very pathetic.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Going to school and getting a degree. Staying with the mothers of their children and raising them correctly. Getting a job and caring about keeping it. Avoiding criminal activity. Slowly building a reputation for being productive, law abiding citizens. Voting.

If all that had been started 10 years ago, Michael Brown would likely not have been walking the streets looking for trouble in the first place. That's change that works. It's too late for him, but they could have begun that change yesterday by not rioting. Too late for that as well now. So start today then. Maybe 10 years from now the next Michael Brown will be at home studying instead of walking the streets of his home town looking for cigarillos to steal.

 

[Markbnj]

Going to school and getting a degree. Staying with the mothers of their children and raising them correctly. Getting a job and caring about keeping it. Avoiding criminal activity. Slowly building a reputation for being productive, law abiding citizens. Voting.

If all that had been started 10 years ago, Michael Brown would likely not have been walking the streets looking for trouble in the first place. That's change that works. It's too late for him, but they could have begun that change yesterday by not rioting. Too late for that as well now. So start today then. Maybe 10 years from now the next Michael Brown will be at home studying instead of walking the streets of his home town looking for cigarillos to steal.

Yeah, that's all good advice, but in the end, you know, he still didn't have a goddamn gun. And according to the prosecutor for St. Louis county ten of Wilson's shots were fired from 125 yards away. That Brown must have been one scary guy.

 

[Jaepheth]

I second assassinating the heads of abusive/oppressive entities.

Lets face it; nothing changes without people dying.

In a riot you might get 5 or more dead; whereas with assassination only 2 or 3 CEOs have to die for the next one to get the message.

Mathematically, it's the lesser evil.

Spoiler

Dear NSA, this is satire; I do not condone the use of illegal violence to further political causes.

 

[Capt Caveman]

What do you actually accomplish by "running" or doing any other activity.

Just give them 20-50 bucks and call it a day.

All of that effort can be put into SO MANY useful things....vs "running".

Why not make up some other useless activity, like....banging your head against the window. Or jumping jacks etc.

Quoted for retardation. I know you're one of the most ignorant people here but you're also one of the most stupid.

Let me guess, you're a fat fuck. Many people like to exercise, you seriously don't know the benefits of exercise like running? Stupid and ignorant is a horrible way to go thru life.

Well, I'll be starting my training for the Boston Marathon soon and will be raising thousands of $ in money for a charity that I feel strongly about and already volunteer time to.

A number of charities have different fund raising events, road races are one of them. And tens of millions of people run in road races every year, a number that is only growing. I'm happy to run in dozens of races every year, many that support charities that I have a connection to.

Some people enjoy exercise and some people like to be stupid. We know which camp you're in.

 

[SunburstLP]

I will take you up on it.

How about eating 100s cheeseburgers for <insert cause>.

How is that any different than running 10 miles. Neither activity accomplishes much for the cause.

It was mentioned earlier that the organization and registration are the fundraiser for the cause. The event itself is a tangential benefit for those who enjoy such activities. I'm not sure how this isn't being understood.

I'm not running to raise money; I'm making a donation to a cause so that I can be in a run.

 

[smackababy]

An alternative to violent protests? How about nonviolent protests? The civil rights movement seemed to work out pretty well, and I don't recall reading about people rioting and burning their own neighborhoods.

 

[rip]

What would be a smarter, non-violent way to fan the winds of change?

Asking somewhere else, other than AT.

 

[SMOGZINN]

What would be helpful? Have their mouthpieces put forward a factual argument that clearly supports their contentions. Not "some poor child was shot" who was a huge and dangerous individual who attacked people because he could. If they cannot then the fault lies in their perceptions and they have to deal with that. If they riot they should not have excuses made for them or "well back in 1920". No, they are accountable for their actions and should receive what they would dole out.

If an argument can be made in their favor then do what was done in the '60s by MLK. Peaceful civil disobedience which worked very well.

The problem is that we have become lesser sons of greater sires and seem incapable of rational objections to genuine wrongs; indeed we no longer recognize right from wrong but instead see whatever means to get what we want as being "the greater good".

Right, and the 10 people that watch cspan would have been really moved, in the meantime CNN, Fox, and the rest of the news channels would be telling what ever story they think will make them the most money, and it certainly is not going to be about a mouthpiece giving a calm and factual argument.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I will take you up on it.

How about eating 100s cheeseburgers for <insert cause>.

How is that any different than running 10 miles. Neither activity accomplishes much for the cause.

:biggrin: Retard, troll or retarded troll.

Except one helps raise millions of $ to support organizations that help the poor, idiot.

 

[lozina]

There are plenty of civil rights lawyers who love to take such cases for free. They revel in the limelight.

 

[dainthomas]

Yeah, that's all good advice, but in the end, you know, he still didn't have a goddamn gun. And according to the prosecutor for St. Louis county ten of Wilson's shots were fired from 125 yards away. That Brown must have been one scary guy.

The guy at the convenience store he jacked probably thought so.

You surround yourself with bad energy, and bad things will happen to you. That is a universal truth.

 

[SMOGZINN]

An alternative to violent protests? How about nonviolent protests? The civil rights movement seemed to work out pretty well, and I don't recall reading about people rioting and burning their own neighborhoods.

Then you need to read more history.

And there is a lot more.