What are some good books for starting a business?

Cuda1447

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Alright, so I'm hoping to be self employed sometime next year. I've got some ideas, but very little experience. I want to pick out a couple good quality books to read. Some ideas that I'd like to be covered would be startup funds, loans and finding investors. Other than that, I'm open to ideas.


Hook me up ATOT!
 

Crono

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What's your educational background, and have you any capital at all to start? If little or no capital, how is your credit?
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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The Art of the Start - Guy Kawasaki

That's basically the bible of entrepreneurship.

Other than that, there are a horde of books to read - Crossing the Chasm, Entrepreneurship and Innovation (Drucker), The E-Myth Revised, and then some others I can't think of right now.

Start with those 4 books, in any order you want, and you'll finish them with a lot more knowledge.

Also, big difference between self employed by offering professional services, creating a business, and being an entrepreneur. I don't think that business owners are always entrepreneurs, but that's a different topic.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Crono
What's your educational background, and have you any capital at all to start? If little or no capital, how is your credit?
Just thought I'd poke some thoughts at this...

Don't ever limit yourself on those answers. If you think you don't have the education, find people that do. If you don't have capital, well, find a way to make it happen without it, by going to the 3 F's - family, friends, and fools. If it gets down to it, then yes, check your credit and start applying for credit cards.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: Crono
What's your educational background, and have you any capital at all to start? If little or no capital, how is your credit?

Education: Bachelors within 6 months from USF.
Capital: Not much. Saving money for a wedding right now, so I won't be able to save much for startup costs probably.
Credit: Should be solid. Never really checked my credit score (although I should do that) but Ive got a car in my name (going on 2 years now) two credit cards and various other lines of credit (furniture, engagement ring) which are all paid off. Never missed a payment on anything, so I would imagine it'd be pretty solid.

 

yllus

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Built to Last: Successful Habits of Visionary Companies

This analysis of what makes great companies great has been hailed everywhere as an instant classic and one of the best business titles since In Search of Excellence. The authors, James C. Collins and Jerry I. Porras, spent six years in research, and they freely admit that their own preconceptions about business success were devastated by their actual findings--along with the preconceptions of virtually everyone else.

Built to Last identifies 18 "visionary" companies and sets out to determine what's special about them. To get on the list, a company had to be world famous, have a stellar brand image, and be at least 50 years old. We're talking about companies that even a layperson knows to be, well, different: the Disneys, the Wal-Marts, the Mercks.

Whatever the key to the success of these companies, the key to the success of this book is that the authors don't waste time comparing them to business failures. Instead, they use a control group of "successful-but-second-rank" companies to highlight what's special about their 18 "visionary" picks. Thus Disney is compared to Columbia Pictures, Ford to GM, Hewlett Packard to Texas Instruments, and so on.

The core myth, according to the authors, is that visionary companies must start with a great product and be pushed into the future by charismatic leaders. There are examples of that pattern, they admit: Johnson & Johnson, for one. But there are also just too many counterexamples--in fact, the majority of the "visionary" companies, including giants like 3M, Sony, and TI, don't fit the model. They were characterized by total lack of an initial business plan or key idea and by remarkably self-effacing leaders. Collins and Porras are much more impressed with something else they shared: an almost cult-like devotion to a "core ideology" or identity, and active indoctrination of employees into "ideologically commitment" to the company.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Crono
What's your educational background, and have you any capital at all to start? If little or no capital, how is your credit?

Education: Bachelors within 6 months from USF.
Capital: Not much. Saving money for a wedding right now, so I won't be able to save much for startup costs probably.
Credit: Should be solid. Never really checked my credit score (although I should do that) but Ive got a car in my name (going on 2 years now) two credit cards and various other lines of credit (furniture, engagement ring) which are all paid off. Never missed a payment on anything, so I would imagine it'd be pretty solid.

I don't have a book recommendation, but I think asking people for suggestions on how to get started (like you are doing now) is actually better than any book. Not that it isn't helpful to read up, but talking to people who actually started their own businesses (both successfully and unsuccessfully) is a good way to learn. It's more a more fluid way to learn, since you can ask questions and keep up to date.

I'm not a business owner, but I have learned a lot from my uncle and other members of my (extended) family. One of the most critical things about starting a business is having a network of friends, colleagues, etc in the field you are establishing your business. Since you are in college right now, I would try and pitch some of my ideas to a proffessor I've become friends with. Many proffessors (depending on the major and the person, of course) know people who can and are willing to invest in a particular idea if it is innovative and/or presented well.

A lot depends on what your ideas are, and what type of business you plan on starting. Would you be willing to share here (assuiming they aren't revolutionary ideas that someone would steal, of course)? At the very least, you will get some constructive critism... and probably some unconstructive crtiscm as well (after all, this is ATOT :p ).

If the idea is good, your credit is average->good, and you don't need a rediculous amount of capital, you could even get a loan from the Prosper group here on AT.

 

Cuda1447

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I have no problems sharing my ideas. And I've been trying to talk to as many people as I can. But I've got a lot to learn, thats why I thought some books could supplement my learning.

My idea, roughly.




 

Cuda1447

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Sully, thx for the suggestion. From what I gather from that synopsis its more about creating a company that is fortune 500 (or better) rather than how to get going on a small business startup.
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
I have no problems sharing my ideas. And I've been trying to talk to as many people as I can. But I've got a lot to learn, thats why I thought some books could supplement my learning.

My idea, roughly.

Not a bad idea. Your only real hurdle to overcome, it seems, is capital. A quick search shows that 10 acres in Florida indeed does go for 500k to 2 mil +, depending on the area. You could probably lower that amount greatly if you are willing to purchase land in a neighboring state, like Georgia, preferably in a suburban area with the right demographic (i.e. mostly white and middle/upper middle class to upper class) and real estate growth. Either way, you would still need to get a sizable loan, on par (no pun intended) with a mortgage for a house.

It's definitely doable, though. If you have family members that either could lend you part of or the entire amount needed for a down payment on a SBA, or if they could get a home equity loan or line of credit for the down payment amount (usually 10-30% of total), that would probably be the easiest (unless you happen to win the lottery or money falls from the sky) solution. Getting money from private investors, i.e. people you don't know that you have to convince of your trustworthiness, can be difficult and time consuming, so it's preferable to not go down that rout eif you don't have to.
 

Cuda1447

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Crono-

I've briefly considered the idea of moving to an area with cheaper real estate. Two things shut down that thought process pretty quick. 1. My fiancee and I both have our families very close to us. (15 mins max in either direction) That is a very nice thing to have, we are very lucky. 2. I really like Florida/Tampa area specifically. I think the weather here is perfect for outdoor activities. Its just a really nice area to live in and don't really want to move if I don't have to. Although, it may be something I need to consider if I really want to get this going.


As for getting a loan from a family member, I doubt thats very likely. My parents aren't in any situation to be loaning me money. My fiancee's parents are doing fine, but they still have 3 small children and lots of expenses. With a slow economy down here they aren't making enough to really loan me what I'd need. My fiancee does have some family members (uncles and whatnot) that seem to be very well off, but I am not very close with any of them. Certainly not close enough to ask them for a large sum of money. Not to mention, I really don't like putting that kind of pressure on family members. I'd rather not involve family and accomplish this on my own, if its at all possible. As for investors, I don't even know where to begin looking for them.



I also realize I need to do some sort of a survey of the market. Finding competitors in the area and what their demographic is would be relatively easy. But I don't really know how to determine what type of market share I could expect to gain. How much business I'd expect to bring in, or any of those other factors that I would need to determine how possible my ideas are. Thats the type of info I'm looking for in a book. What resources can I utilize to determine these things. What types of surveys/research do I need to conduct and how?
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Crono-

I've briefly considered the idea of moving to an area with cheaper real estate. Two things shut down that thought process pretty quick. 1. My fiancee and I both have our families very close to us. (15 mins max in either direction) That is a very nice thing to have, we are very lucky. 2. I really like Florida/Tampa area specifically. I think the weather here is perfect for outdoor activities. Its just a really nice area to live in and don't really want to move if I don't have to. Although, it may be something I need to consider if I really want to get this going.


As for getting a loan from a family member, I doubt thats very likely. My parents aren't in any situation to be loaning me money. My fiancee's parents are doing fine, but they still have 3 small children and lots of expenses. With a slow economy down here they aren't making enough to really loan me what I'd need. My fiancee does have some family members (uncles and whatnot) that seem to be very well off, but I am not very close with any of them. Certainly not close enough to ask them for a large sum of money. Not to mention, I really don't like putting that kind of pressure on family members. I'd rather not involve family and accomplish this on my own, if its at all possible. As for investors, I don't even know where to begin looking for them.



I also realize I need to do some sort of a survey of the market. Finding competitors in the area and what their demographic is would be relatively easy. But I don't really know how to determine what type of market share I could expect to gain. How much business I'd expect to bring in, or any of those other factors that I would need to determine how possible my ideas are. Thats the type of info I'm looking for in a book. What resources can I utilize to determine these things. What types of surveys/research do I need to conduct and how?

From your requirements, getting outside investment is probably the only option. You might have luck finding an angel. IF you can't get outside investment, either, then maybe it's just not the right time to consider starting a business. You could get a 9-5 job and save money over time. Of course it would take time and patience that way, and your dream might get sidetracked for a while, but it might be the best option available to you and is the least risky/costly.

You're right about needing to do a survey. Market research shouldn't be difficult, but it will take some leg work, but the internet can do a lot for you. Obviously you want to find out the number of existing driving ranges and full ranges. That information is readily available by directory searches. You also want to test the market, see if people would be interested in patronizing the services of a driving range, what percentage of people in the area play golf, what distances people are willing to travel, etc. That will require enlisting the services of a market research company, doing one-on-one surveys, or both. Freely available demographics are probably your biggest ally - visit existing, successful driving ranges to get a sampling of what the "golf demographic" is and compare to the area you are interested in. Inc has some a good how-to guide that may help.

EDIT: I'm not an expert in anything (never played golf - unless miniature golf counts, lol) , but I do have some free time if you want some research done on the ideal demographics for a driving range location (just based on data on the intarweb - I'm in NY, so doing legwork in Florida would be out of the question :p). Of course, in exchange I want a position at your range :) You would have a job for someone who wants to sit down on a lawn chair and do nothing for 10 hours straight, right? :D
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Have you looked at partnering with someone in real estate for something like this? Talk to people who do real estate in the area and see if any have property they would be interested in letting you set something up on, with the agreement that if this was viable after being in operation for a few months, you would start paying rent.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Have you looked at partnering with someone in real estate for something like this? Talk to people who do real estate in the area and see if any have property they would be interested in letting you set something up on, with the agreement that if this was viable after being in operation for a few months, you would start paying rent.

I would assume they wouldn't allow any building on the property unless I owned it. That is also the reason I think lease to buy option wouldn't be viable. From what I understand you cannot do any building on land you do not actually own. I would need to do some light building at the very least.
 

AgaBoogaBoo

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Have you looked at partnering with someone in real estate for something like this? Talk to people who do real estate in the area and see if any have property they would be interested in letting you set something up on, with the agreement that if this was viable after being in operation for a few months, you would start paying rent.

I would assume they wouldn't allow any building on the property unless I owned it. That is also the reason I think lease to buy option wouldn't be viable. From what I understand you cannot do any building on land you do not actually own. I would need to do some light building at the very least.
I skimmed your post in the other thread and thought this would be a driving range, right? If not, explain it again, in a concise format. I didn't read the other post entirely just because of how long it was. (Don't mean to be harsh)
 

Capt Caveman

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Interesting idea. The least expensive route would be to find open land that can be leased. Lots of entrepreneurial websites/forums that can provide a wealth of information. I would start putting together a business plan. It'll help you analyze and think out all the aspects of this business venture.

Good luck!
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Have you looked at partnering with someone in real estate for something like this? Talk to people who do real estate in the area and see if any have property they would be interested in letting you set something up on, with the agreement that if this was viable after being in operation for a few months, you would start paying rent.

I would assume they wouldn't allow any building on the property unless I owned it. That is also the reason I think lease to buy option wouldn't be viable. From what I understand you cannot do any building on land you do not actually own. I would need to do some light building at the very least.

It would vary based on lease terms and how the land was zoned.
 

Cuda1447

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Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo
Have you looked at partnering with someone in real estate for something like this? Talk to people who do real estate in the area and see if any have property they would be interested in letting you set something up on, with the agreement that if this was viable after being in operation for a few months, you would start paying rent.

I would assume they wouldn't allow any building on the property unless I owned it. That is also the reason I think lease to buy option wouldn't be viable. From what I understand you cannot do any building on land you do not actually own. I would need to do some light building at the very least.
I skimmed your post in the other thread and thought this would be a driving range, right? If not, explain it again, in a concise format. I didn't read the other post entirely just because of how long it was. (Don't mean to be harsh)



Yes, driving range initially. Ideally, I'd like to evolve it into other things (batting cage, putt putt, sandwich shop) but thats down the road.

The initial idea though is driving range with a small building. The building would be used for sales of golf related items. So, I'd need to build that building. Also, you'd have to build some sort of lighting system for the range itself, along with netting along the sides. In addition to that I would want to make sure the land is flat/level. A driving range is just a big open field, yes.... but its a nice big open field. The grass/land has to be of decent quality, ya know?


There isn't a LOT involved with it, but there is some construction/land renovation that would be needed.