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[richierich1212]

And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

 

[Candymancan21]

Originally posted by: ShawnD1

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
Im not sure if this means anything, but in GPU-TOOL during load its telling me the 4890 is using 48-50A of power and on idle its 2A. Maybe thats the problem ?

wtf rail is it connected to? 50A * 12V = 600W. I can't imagine a single 4890 taking that much power. Maybe if you had 3 of them in crossfire....

You sure about that ? Antec has a 650w with 94A combined on the 12v . I found it its 48A x the vcore. So 48A X1.31v =62W for the core, and the memory is 20Ax1.2v 24w

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
Im not sure if this means anything, but in GPU-TOOL during load its telling me the 4890 is using 48-50A of power and on idle its 2A. Maybe thats the problem ?

Yeah that's way off. The absolute maximum a 4890 could theoretically pull would only be 225w. (75 from pci-e 2.0 slot, 75w x 2 for the 6 pin connectors). And even that number is more than the reality. If a PSU is running at 90% while you're trying to overclock it could cause instability, but that's definitely not the problem here

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: apoppin

the Rest of us enjoy getting results like 4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz CPU - which is *drastic* but completely stable

sorry i retired my 4ghz hat a while back ago.

im after the 4.5ghz mark now.

OP, i'll say this one more time again.

Overclocking is YMMV. Your millage may vary. I have stated this many many times. Also you can never expect a ES to handle like retail.

On some chips the retail are better then ES's, on others people struggle.


Rule of thumb ive seen, always get the chip near or @ launch. This gives u a better gamble at a better bin, but at the same time u face the risk of a revision which would spank your better bin old.

But overclocking is YMMV.

Originally posted by: SunSamurai


4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz is going to net far more than 3FPS. Also, you do not need what you have now, the word youre looking for is want. But i understand your drift, its better to OC later in a CPUs life, becuse even if you brake it, you were going to want to upgrade anyway.

Your only looking at cpu speed. Now if u overclock, your ram is obviously higher, and if you have SLI or Xfire cards on a per say X58, they scale VERY NICELY past 4ghz.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
You sure about that ? Antec has a 650w with 94A combined on the 12v .

... are you sure?

94A * 12V = 1128W

On 99% of PSUs you can't just add up the rails for a combined number.

 

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.
.

I thought we were talking about an AMD mobo here?? I'm confused.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: yh125d

Originally posted by: SunSamurai

Originally posted by: SunnyD

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SunnyD
There's a reason I usually don't overclock - sure the extra performance would be nice, but when stock gives me everything I need without suffering for performance I don't have to worry about how far my CPU/Video Card/Whatever can go before I blow it up or it is deemed to suck.

The reason: irrational fear of overclocking damaging something

The result: stock performance


the Rest of us enjoy getting results like 4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz CPU - which is *drastic* but completely stable

and i understand the OP's FRUSTRATION that lead to this rant

expect one from me next week - as i try to unlock X550 .. and Overclock
- my *first* AMD system
:Q

New AMD build - *budget* high performance gamer for 19x12

There's nothing irrational going on here. I haven't run into anything yet that requires additional performance beyond what I already have. Of course, I'm plenty happy with 40fps, where 43fps isn't going to make much of a difference for the amount of effort to ensure a stable overclock (in some cases).

Now when I get to the point where I need more performance, then I'll consider it. Until then, it's just wasted effort.

4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz is going to net far more than 3FPS. Also, you do not need what you have now, the word youre looking for is want. But i understand your drift, its better to OC later in a CPUs life, becuse even if you brake it, you were going to want to upgrade anyway.

Not necessarily. For me, OCing my CPU did nothing but raise my max fps, and avg fps only raised a few. Min didn't budge

That sounds like a hard drive/RAM access/throughput issue. Depending on game. Or not enough ram on the card, again depending on game, resolution AA ect. Basically, in general a CPU OC is going to supply alot more than 3FPS. More like 20-30%, unless youre trying to run at 19xx by 1200 with full textures and 512 vid card.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: richierich1212

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.
.

I thought we were talking about an AMD mobo here?? I'm confused.

Whoops. Guess I was confused too. I was just reading a Core i7 mobo thread in motherboards. Maybe I had the wrong tab open.

 

[konakona]

My 710 couldn't get past 3.2ghz "barrier" if there is a such thing. Just learned to live with it, plays all the games I threw at it just fine.
Most of the times I would be GPU limited with my meager 4830 anyway.

 

[Candymancan21]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
You sure about that ? Antec has a 650w with 94A combined on the 12v .

... are you sure?

94A * 12V = 1128W

On 99% of PSUs you can't just add up the rails for a combined number.

Did you even look at the link i gave you ? How does it work then when can they claim 4 rails with 22-25A each on a 650w PSU.

 

[jaggerwild]

@ OP,
Sorry as well as I normally do not get sucked into this sort of discussion, and I'll offer no excuse.
I would like to offer this, like @the EVGA forum they use a template for the Bios setting while over clocking on the I7 boards. Of course there bioses are all the same but you can always find a thread with them listed, as I found this thread from a google of "I7 Do stepping" go figure huh? Your post scared me as I'm about to take the plunge, a buddy of mine over at the "E" forum hit 5Mhz on air with a DO stepping on the classified board.

I have not had an Intel ASUS motherboard but I hear they are a different breed so to speak, I know many extreme over clockers who will buy nothing but asus. I would check the Xtremesystem.com forum and I'm sure you will find a swifter way to getting an better over clock.
Regards!


Xtremesystems.com

 

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: jaggerwild
@ OP,
Sorry as well as I normally do not get sucked into this sort of discussion, and I'll offer no excuse.
I would like to offer this, like @the EVGA forum they use a template for the Bios setting while over clocking on the I7 boards. Of course there bioses are all the same but you can always find a thread with them listed, as I found this thread from a google of "I7 Do stepping" go figure huh? Your post scared me as I'm about to take the plunge, a buddy of mine over at the "E" forum hit 5Mhz on air with a DO stepping on the classified board.

I have not had an Intel ASUS motherboard but I hear they are a different breed so to speak, I know many extreme over clockers who will buy nothing but asus. I would check the Xtremesystem.com forum and I'm sure you will find a swifter way to getting an better over clock.
Regards!


Xtremesystems.com

Um another confusing post. I think you are posting in response to the wrong thread lmao.

 

[jaggerwild]

I'll hold yer hand ok? What is so confusing for you? Maybe that fact I was not talking to you?

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
You sure about that ? Antec has a 650w with 94A combined on the 12v .

... are you sure?

94A * 12V = 1128W

On 99% of PSUs you can't just add up the rails for a combined number.

Did you even look at the link i gave you ? How does it work then when can they claim 4 rails with 22-25A each on a 650w PSU.

were saying its bs.. u read something wrong or antec wrote something wrong.

its impossible for a 650W to have 94A combined.. i dont care who makes it because no company would be stupid enough to label that psu a 650 when its a 1KW class.

Im sorry but my PCnC 1kw doesnt even have 94Amps combined and its a single rail PSU that dominates most.

Infact the only thing that would beat that 94A 650W PSU would be my ULTRA 1.6KW. <-- this doesnt makese sense..

So no, that antec documentation u got was BS.

Even there 850W Quatro which is high branded then the one u gave doesnt have that much amperage.

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...la/Haruhi/IMG_1351.jpg

Trust me, i went though more PSU's pairing with my classified then what most people on this forum would spend on there entire computer.

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: Candymancan21

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: richierich1212
And on XS they say to use the DDR3 1600 memory sticks on the black slots.

That's because most X58 boards won't POST if you don't have those populated first.

Originally posted by: Candymancan21
You sure about that ? Antec has a 650w with 94A combined on the 12v .

... are you sure?

94A * 12V = 1128W

On 99% of PSUs you can't just add up the rails for a combined number.

Did you even look at the link i gave you ? How does it work then when can they claim 4 rails with 22-25A each on a 650w PSU.

You're reading it wrong. The PSU you're talking about is the Antec TP-650, with 4 12v rails. You can NOT just add up the ratings. That's NOT how PSU ratings work

Here's how that particular PSU is laid out

12v1 can support up to 22 amps independently
12v2 can support up to 22 amps independently
12v3 can support up to 25 amps independently
12v4 can support up to 25 amps independently

To the layman, you could just add the amperages to get 94A on the 12v total. Which would be very wrong. Those ratings mean that each of those can support up to their rating, as long as the other rails don't have too large a load on them. If you read the label on that PSU it clearly states

"12v1, 2, 3, 4, max load 54 amps"

12V x 54A = 648W

 

[farscape]

OK so now that I have calmed down. I have some results that I need some advice on.

I am up to 3.5, into Windows, but not stable under load. 1.45V CPU, 1.68v DDR (9-9-9-24-33-1T), 2000 on HT and NB, 1.2v on NBVID, 1.1 on NBV, and 1.2 on HT. (25deg idle)

Up to 3.4, Ive been using Prime95 - if stable for 2 hrs, I then ran 3dmark06 (scoring 15990). 1.435v CPU, 1.66v DDR. Have 1600 speed memory but am staying at 1333 due to better timings. Someone suggested that my 550 PS might be too small, so I've been monitoring the 12v and 5v rails - been rock steady at 12.14 and 5.14. Temps have ranged from 21 at idle to 37 under load.

All of my voltage settings except CPU and memory have been set to auto. Tried to up my NB (2200 and 2400) and HT (2200) voltages a bit but could not remain stable - lots of times would not boot through to Win with anything but stock settings.
As you can see - I have been using the KISS method and have tried to avoid the case of information overload that I experienced my last go around at trying to OC this setup

Thanks in advance for your suggestions and comments,

'scape

 

[richierich1212]

What multiplier are you using? I've noticed that with my setup, with both my 920 and 550 I've used a weird combination of multiplier + FSB to achieve a good overclock. I guess my mobo loves a multiplier of 13.5 because I had my 920 @ 13.5x250 = 3.5GHz with 1.372v and currently my 550 is @ 13.5x267 = 3.61GHz with 1.44v. So maybe lower your multi and up the FSB??

 

[farscape]

At 3.5 its 17.5. I've been HT ref speed of 200 (approx 670, 3:10). Tried to raise it but didn't seem to like anything above 214, no matter how I played with voltage or timings. So I decided to keep it simple and go with the default.

 

[RaptureMe]

No sir you didnt get a bum chip 720 is a crap shoot plain and simple and I dont care what people tell you cause you cant believe every little thing you hear or read.
You gotta remember these people are here to make money for these companies by tickleing our ears with shit we like to hear and in return they get stock in there company or free stuff life engineering samples ect..
anyway you should of got a 940BE the multi's are unlocked which makes it easier for overclocking.
I got rid of a bunch of 720's a couple months back cause of the same overclocks you were getting.
I got several 940BE's and every one of them did 4.0Ghz without breaking a sweat!!
Not that a 720 is a bad cpu for everyday users who run stock or a light O/C but thats not us is it??

 

[richierich1212]

Originally posted by: RaptureMe
No sir you didnt get a bum chip 920 is a crap shoot plain and simple and I dont care what people tell you cause you cant believe every little thing you hear or read.
You gotta remember these people are here to make money for these companies by tickleing our ears with shit we like to hear and in return they get stock in there company or free stuff life engineering samples ect..
anyway you should of got a 940BE the multi's are unlocked which makes it easier for overclocking.
I got rid of a bunch of 920's a couple months back cause of the same overclocks you were getting.
I got several 940BE's and every one of them did 4.0Ghz without breaking a sweat!!
Not that a 920 is a bad cpu for everyday users who run stock or a light O/C but thats not us is it??

farscape has a 720. lol. I was referring to my mobo's love of lower multipliers.

 

[RaptureMe]

Oops - yeah i ment 720 not 920 my bad can you say type-"O".
920 is sweet just like the 940BE.
Stay away from 720!!

 

[yh125d]

Originally posted by: RaptureMe
No sir you didnt get a bum chip 720 is a crap shoot plain and simple and I dont care what people tell you cause you cant believe every little thing you hear or read.
You gotta remember these people are here to make money for these companies by tickleing our ears with shit we like to hear and in return they get stock in there company or free stuff life engineering samples ect..
anyway you should of got a 940BE the multi's are unlocked which makes it easier for overclocking.
I got rid of a bunch of 720's a couple months back cause of the same overclocks you were getting.
I got several 940BE's and every one of them did 4.0Ghz without breaking a sweat!!
Not that a 720 is a bad cpu for everyday users who run stock or a light O/C but thats not us is it??

Man I wish I got free stuff for recommending the brands that I do :

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SunnyD
There's a reason I usually don't overclock - sure the extra performance would be nice, but when stock gives me everything I need without suffering for performance I don't have to worry about how far my CPU/Video Card/Whatever can go before I blow it up or it is deemed to suck.

The reason: irrational fear of overclocking damaging something

The result: stock performance


the Rest of us enjoy getting results like 4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz CPU - which is *drastic* but completely stable

and i understand the OP's FRUSTRATION that lead to this rant

expect one from me next week - as i try to unlock X550 .. and Overclock
- my *first* AMD system
:Q

New AMD build - *budget* high performance gamer for 19x12

there is nothing IRRATIONAL about fearing a burned component from OC, those happen all the time. And while many can DEFRAUD the company and get it replaced under warranty, your warranty agreement strictly forbids it.
So if you are against fraud, you might not wish to go through the effort and risk. and the effort takes TIME, and time is money... most people make enough per hour of work so that OCing is not economical unless you OC very expensive chips.
Finally there is the increased power consumption and thus cost of operation, power consumption increases EXPONENTIALLY compared to mhz increase.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: SunnyD
There's a reason I usually don't overclock - sure the extra performance would be nice, but when stock gives me everything I need without suffering for performance I don't have to worry about how far my CPU/Video Card/Whatever can go before I blow it up or it is deemed to suck.

The reason: irrational fear of overclocking damaging something

The result: stock performance


the Rest of us enjoy getting results like 4.0GHz from a 2.83GHz CPU - which is *drastic* but completely stable

and i understand the OP's FRUSTRATION that lead to this rant

expect one from me next week - as i try to unlock X550 .. and Overclock
- my *first* AMD system
:Q

New AMD build - *budget* high performance gamer for 19x12

there is nothing IRRATIONAL about fearing a burned component from OC, those happen all the time. And while many can DEFRAUD the company and get it replaced under warranty, your warranty agreement strictly forbids it.
So if you are against fraud, you might not wish to go through the effort and risk. and the effort takes TIME, and time is money... most people make enough per hour of work so that OCing is not economical unless you OC very expensive chips.
Finally there is the increased power consumption and thus cost of operation, power consumption increases EXPONENTIALLY compared to mhz increase.

Moderate overclockers have little to fear and some vendors definitely stand behind their product when it is overclocked reasonably; they often provide utilities for overclocking on their sites and often encourage it right on the box
- your little rant on fraud is moot

And overclocking SAVES money - buying an inexpensive part and having it outperform a part many times its price is sound thinking and that is WHY there is an overclocking forum here - we know better because many of us have practiced it for YEARS without suffering the potential horrors you fantasize about

Finally, your comments on excessive power draw are ridiculous. Most parts downclock when the PC is idle or just performing 2-D tasks. And most gamers only average a few hours of gaming a week - compared to how long their PC is on. Overclocking is negligible on one's power bill.

This is the *irrational fear* of overclocking i AM talking about
=well, you are at the right place .. we can help you - consider it free "therapy"

let go of the fear .. fear is the mind killer

PS: ... i got my 550 X2 Phenon II, the Gigabyte MoBo [i didn't know it was CrossFire ], the Cooler Master Gladiator case, 2x2GB OCZ PC-8500, 2 HDs, 600w Silent Power CM PS and OS and videocards stand ready - only the Hyper n212 is a no-show; so i will start with the AMD stock cooler and TEST it at stock to make sure it can be overclocked safely

And then i will use OVERDRIVE - AMD's *own* O/C'ing utility - something they encourage - as i (hopefully) UNLOCK 2 Cores and make a $83 dual core CPU into a $250 X4 - and then take her all the way to 4.0 GHz to give my much more expensive Intel PC a great run for the money spent.
- the chance of losing ANYTHING due to sensible overclocking is SO tiny as to be ignored - vs. the incredible gains that are possible
:gift:

 

[taltamir]

overclocking CAN saves money. You assume that every overclock ever is money saving, you are wrong, many times it does not.
For example, would a 50$ HSF upgrade give a greater OC boost compared to OCing a 50$ more expensive CPU using the stock fan? that depends on the CPU in question, it could save money, it could cost more money.

your assumption that because people do it, than it must be good is a logical fallacy.

your condenscending remarks are uncalled for, ironically I do overclock at times, because SOMETIMES the risk is outweighed by the benefits. But carefully considering the risks instead of calling them "irrational fears" is not cowardice. Fear might be the mindkiller oh quoter of dune, but caution is not fear.