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TAandy

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i've run seti, and folding.
seti is the worst!

both cause lag. screen lag, user lag.
any cures for this?
 

Wiz

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ummm... what's the deal? Are you 'using' the machine?
You know, that decreases it's performance!

What annoys me is that when people use my seti machine it causes lag, processing lag, stats lag, wu lag!!!

;)
 

Fullmetal Chocobo

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Only cure I know of is clicking on "snooze". :( Running SETI on the GPU makes the computer pretty much unusable.
 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: TAandy
i've run seti, and folding.
seti is the worst!

both cause lag. screen lag, user lag.
any cures for this?
For FAH, only fix I'm aware of is to not run FAH... something that's very easy, seeing that atleast their Ati-client is total crap.

For SETI, just change your preferences, either on web-page or in client, to not use GPU if computer in use, and in the off-chance it's not CUDA you're talking about, you can do the same for CPU.

Hmm, the "user lag" on the other hand... :beer:


 

theAnimal

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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
For FAH, only fix I'm aware of is to not run FAH... something that's very easy, seeing that atleast their Ati-client is total crap.

Works fine for me, although the PPD could be better.
 

petrusbroder

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But there is also the "project lag": as it is now it takes a result some 6 - 8 hours to upload:

Project communication failed. Trying access to reference site
Internet access OK, project servers may be temporarily down.
Scheduler request failed. Couldn't connect to server

Looking @ server status: ap_validate3, ap_assimilator2 and some splitters are not running or are disabled, but those should not hamper the scheduling servers, the scheduling processes, the upload- and download servers (which all run OK).


I have had this message many 100 times in the past week - considering that I have some 20 comps running seti. I am now running seti@home, MilkyWay@home and WCG. All three projects have the same share of the CPUs (33%). The RAC in seti@home is sinking, in the other projects climbing ... My pending credits are down from some 67 - 69K to 39K (that's why my drop in RAC is quite small ...).
That is the reason I have cancelled the seti race.
 

Insidious

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Originally posted by: Wiz
ummm... what's the deal? Are you 'using' the machine?
You know, that decreases it's performance!

What annoys me is that when people use my seti machine it causes lag, processing lag, stats lag, wu lag!!!

;)

My kid installed some software and it totally messed up my Windows.... I wish he would learn to use Windows right.... OS is a wonderful thing.... shouldn't ever distract it with all those other programs!

-Sid

 

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Originally posted by: theAnimal
Originally posted by: Rattledagger
For FAH, only fix I'm aware of is to not run FAH... something that's very easy, seeing that atleast their Ati-client is total crap.

Works fine for me, although the PPD could be better.
Same here, since they've released a new client, new drivers & beta dlls it runs fine now with almost no stabilty issues :) (just 1 VPU recovery on trying to shut off the client for a game). But yes you have to jump through a few hoopes (spelling??) 1st.

Andy
You're not giving us much info mate, IIRC you've got an 8600GT? Is that right?

F@H have released a new client where you can adjust GPU load for Nvidia cards, whilst it was intended to lower temps it may fix your lag probs too :).
See The Animals link.
 

Insidious

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Originally posted by: theAnimal
Originally posted by: Insidious
My kid installed some software and it totally messed up my Windows....

System restore?

LoL.... not to be taken literally..... was just poking M$ for their attitude that software should be designed to run Windows.... not the other way around.

:beer:
 

TAandy

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Originally posted by: theAnimal
Originally posted by: Rattledagger
For FAH, only fix I'm aware of is to not run FAH... something that's very easy, seeing that atleast their Ati-client is total crap.

Works fine for me, although the PPD could be better.
Same here, since they've released a new client, new drivers & beta dlls it runs fine now with almost no stabilty issues :) (just 1 VPU recovery on trying to shut off the client for a game). But yes you have to jump through a few hoopes (spelling??) 1st.

Andy
You're not giving us much info mate, IIRC you've got an 8600GT? Is that right?

F@H have released a new client where you can adjust GPU load for Nvidia cards, whilst it was intended to lower temps it may fix your lag probs too :).
See The Animals link.

hi mate :)
sorry, you're right. didnt give much info...
yep.
8600gt on a vista machine, pentium duo, 2.8 ghz. not a core2duo. 3 gig mem
when running seti cuda apps, everything just seems to slow down. now fah seems to be doing the same damn thing. :(
 

Insidious

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I think the display is slowed (to different extents, on different machines) when you run any DC that uses the video card. It can't detect unused cycles and get out of the way like the CPU can.

Kind of the nature of the beast. :evil:

-Sid
 

TAandy

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Originally posted by: Insidious
I think the display is slowed (to different extents, on different machines) when you run any DC that uses the video card. It can't detect unused cycles and get out of the way like the CPU can.

Kind of the nature of the beast. :evil:

-Sid

okey dokey :)


I know, i'm a cheapskate :) lol :D
 

RaySun2Be

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Originally posted by: Insidious
Originally posted by: Wiz
ummm... what's the deal? Are you 'using' the machine?
You know, that decreases it's performance!

What annoys me is that when people use my seti machine it causes lag, processing lag, stats lag, wu lag!!!

;)

My kid installed some software and it totally messed up my Windows.... I wish he would learn to use Windows right.... OS is a wonderful thing.... shouldn't ever distract it with all those other programs!

-Sid

LOL.

I setup my kids with their own login, very restricted rights, even on their own PCs. And never, EVER gave them the admin password. If they needed something installed, they had to come to me. My wife and I used our PC for business, and could not afford to get it infected. If they didn't like it, (when they were older) they could get a job, pay for their own Internet access, and I'd be more than willing to disconnect them from my network and set them up.

Now my friend on the other hand, was always giving his sons the admin password, and I don't know how many times he called me, needing me to look at his PC because it just ran so slow. Of course his kids loaded all this crap, spyware, and bloatware on his PC. Again. Finally had to start charging him to fix it.

/rant off. Boy, did I go off on a tangent...... :)

To get back on track,
I can't remember which one, but one of the DC projects I ran always slowed down my PC, so I'd have to stop or pause it to get any work done. Even though others didn't have the problem.
 

Rattledagger

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Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Same here, since they've released a new client, new drivers & beta dlls it runs fine now with almost no stabilty issues :) (just 1 VPU recovery on trying to shut off the client for a game). But yes you have to jump through a few hoopes (spelling??) 1st.
All the GPU-clients is dated 2008, so I've not got the foggiest idea what's you're talking about...


 

theAnimal

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Originally posted by: Rattledagger
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Same here, since they've released a new client, new drivers & beta dlls it runs fine now with almost no stabilty issues :) (just 1 VPU recovery on trying to shut off the client for a game). But yes you have to jump through a few hoopes (spelling??) 1st.
All the GPU-clients is dated 2008, so I've not got the foggiest idea what's you're talking about...

New core.

Beta DLLs.

And of course ATI releases new drivers every month.
 

petrusbroder

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I think Rattledagger and Assimilator1 talk about diffrent projects: Rattledagger about Seti's GPU-client and Assim about F@H's client ...
 

theAnimal

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Originally posted by: petrusbroder
I think Rattledagger and Assimilator1 talk about diffrent projects: Rattledagger about Seti's GPU-client and Assim about F@H's client ...

Originally posted by: RattledaggerFor FAH, only fix I'm aware of is to not run FAH... something that's very easy, seeing that atleast their Ati-client is total crap.
 

Denithor

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Originally posted by: TAandy
yep.
8600gt on a vista machine, pentium duo, 2.8 ghz. not a core2duo. 3 gig mem
when running seti cuda apps, everything just seems to slow down. now fah seems to be doing the same damn thing. :(

That's your problem right there, unfortunately - F@H GPU client these days takes more muscle than your card can provide. On my mom's system with an 8800GS (720/1600/950) the Folding has to be turned off if she wants to do anything - even play Solitaire or surf the web. Anything at all chokes when the client is running. (And it's hard to get her to remember to turn it back on - I keep noticing a dip in ppd and calling to complain.)

On my systems - just for comparison. I can run WoW completely smooth on the GTX 260/e8400 system with F@H running in the background. It runs with noticeably lower fps on the 8800GTS system, minor screen tearing/jerks but still functional. On 8800GS - forget it. Folding has to be disabled to do anything on the lower powered GPU.
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: Denithor
Originally posted by: TAandy
yep.
8600gt on a vista machine, pentium duo, 2.8 ghz. not a core2duo. 3 gig mem
when running seti cuda apps, everything just seems to slow down. now fah seems to be doing the same damn thing. :(

That's your problem right there, unfortunately - F@H GPU client these days takes more muscle than your card can provide. On my mom's system with an 8800GS (720/1600/950) the Folding has to be turned off if she wants to do anything - even play Solitaire or surf the web. Anything at all chokes when the client is running. (And it's hard to get her to remember to turn it back on - I keep noticing a dip in ppd and calling to complain.)

On my systems - just for comparison. I can run WoW completely smooth on the GTX 260/e8400 system with F@H running in the background. It runs with noticeably lower fps on the 8800GTS system, minor screen tearing/jerks but still functional. On 8800GS - forget it. Folding has to be disabled to do anything on the lower powered GPU.

It may also have to do with what version of CUDA is in use. The GTX cards have much faster context switching than the older geforce 8 and 9 series cards.
 

Insidious

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Even if different versions are installed, the F@H GPU client uses the same version of CUDA for every card. (versions are backward compatible)

A video card is no different from a CPU (or PC in general). They can only do so much and the better card(s) you have, the more they can do.

Not really rocket science....

-Sid

(notably, due to the way the client works, that is especially true when you compare ATI and NVidia GPU folding productivities.)
 

Fox5

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Originally posted by: Insidious
Even if different versions are installed, the F@H GPU client uses the same version of CUDA for every card. (versions are backward compatible)

A video card is no different from a CPU (or PC in general). They can only do so much and the better card(s) you have, the more they can do.

Not really rocket science....

-Sid

(notably, due to the way the client works, that is especially true when you compare ATI and NVidia GPU folding productivities.)

Well, either way, the GTX series still are much better at context switching. Going from one process to another on geforce 8 cards results in a horrible performance hit. It's still bad on the GTX series (compared to the performance hit a CPU incurs), but not nearly as bad. I expect nvidia's next generation of cards to do nearly seamless task switching.
 

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Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Only cure I know of is clicking on "snooze". :( Running SETI on the GPU makes the computer pretty much unusable.

In case you don't know, in the PREFERENCES section, under PROCESSOR USAGE, make sure "Use GPU while computer is in use" that way when you are using your rig it won't crunch on the GPU :)